Did the flying Spaghetti Monster (may his soul rest in pasta - pasta be upon him) pass his knowledge on, or did the pirates steal it and sell it to the Pink Unicorn?
Ah, Religion - My Short Story
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Did the flying Spaghetti Monster (may his soul rest in pasta - pasta be upon him) pass his knowledge on, or did the pirates steal it and sell it to the Pink Unicorn?
I'm being a twat. Everyone knows, like all other Gods, that the Pink Unicorn isn't real.
You still haven't properly explained this. Please show me something so unexplainable that makes that jump to prove that your god is real. Not that it matters, since just because it's unexplainable to us now doesn't mean it doesn't have a logical explanation. (You do know this is where superstition comes from right? Thunder...gods are angry...)
And about the agnostic thing, I stick to the fact that none of us know what the hell is out there. That being said, statistically speaking, whatever you think IS out there is wrong. Not only can you not know what is out there, you can't even know if something is out there at all. So why bother pretending?
sup3rnova said:
vashie said:
I do not think the Bible says that everything is God's "will". Correct me if I am wrong. But I do not believe you are correct.
This - "God's will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven" - is something Christians say in prayer, as their desire, or that they are trying to achieve it as their desire, that they should want God's will over their own.
@vashie - you can discuss premonition but it would be incorrect to use Adam eating the fruit as God's "will". You could re-frame it and ask more specifically did God know Adam would eat the fruit? and if so why would he create a creature that he knew would use his own will (Adam's) to sin (separate himself from God or the 'will of God')?
Intelligent : Design - Message from the Designers
I can believe this ^^^^ before I believe in any "God".
I can believe this ^^^^ before I believe in any "God".
That's my point, and I was wondering if anyone would get it. Let's say you created a robot with almost-complete AI. The only thing that you programmed him to NOT be able to do was kill humans.
Would he have free will? No. Of course not, because even though he can do anything and everything else, he has been limited from killing humans.
If you don't give him the option to break the rules, he doesn't have free will.
No, if you created that robot and allowed him to do ANYTHING he wants, including killing humans, then he would have free will because he has the option of breaking the rules if he wanted to.
If God wanted mankind (including Adam) to have free will, God HAD to give adam the chance to break the rules, if he chose to.
God didn't want robots. He wanted man created in his image.
> If God wanted mankind (including Adam) to have free will, God HAD to give adam
> the chance to break the rules, if he chose to.
Except that according to the ignorant lunacy of our ancient ancestors, a talking snake manipulated them into eating from the tree. It's not like they woke up one day and thought, 'fuck what god says, those granny smiths look delicious'.
So the original sin wasn't caused by free will, but by the original two humans being malleable and gullible, and for being stupid enough to listen to reptilian advice. Maybe he should have made it a 'steaming pile of shit of knowledge' and told them not to eat that; the snake's job might have been a bit harder.
Besides that, why would a god want his creations to stay ignorant anyway? According to the story he basically wanted us to be like the humans in Planet of the Apes, or the Eloi in the Time Machine - lazing around all day, doing nothing, creating nothing, no innovation, no progress, no change, no point, like a herd of fucking sheep. I'm fucking glad we're not like that; for intelligent beings that kind of existence would be a hell, not a paradise.
> the chance to break the rules, if he chose to.
Except that according to the ignorant lunacy of our ancient ancestors, a talking snake manipulated them into eating from the tree. It's not like they woke up one day and thought, 'fuck what god says, those granny smiths look delicious'.
So the original sin wasn't caused by free will, but by the original two humans being malleable and gullible, and for being stupid enough to listen to reptilian advice. Maybe he should have made it a 'steaming pile of shit of knowledge' and told them not to eat that; the snake's job might have been a bit harder.
Besides that, why would a god want his creations to stay ignorant anyway? According to the story he basically wanted us to be like the humans in Planet of the Apes, or the Eloi in the Time Machine - lazing around all day, doing nothing, creating nothing, no innovation, no progress, no change, no point, like a herd of fucking sheep. I'm fucking glad we're not like that; for intelligent beings that kind of existence would be a hell, not a paradise.
Interesting thread, indeed.
I was like you Supernova. Raised christian but as I grew older and began to question my "beliefs", I saw a lot of glaring flaws that I couldn't ignore. I saw the evil in the world and thought, "well, where is god now?". I felt almost as if I was brainwashed in my youth and, like you, became upset.
While it's a calming thought to believe that someone is watching over us, I find it a hard pill to swallow. I am one of those people that needs some sort of concrete evidence.
The best thing to do is to just keep your views private from your family and religious friends if it's going to put a rift in your relationships. It's not worth arguing over and losing family/friends for something as personal (and by that I mean unique to each individual) as religion. People cling to their beliefs hard.
I would consider myself agnostic.
I was like you Supernova. Raised christian but as I grew older and began to question my "beliefs", I saw a lot of glaring flaws that I couldn't ignore. I saw the evil in the world and thought, "well, where is god now?". I felt almost as if I was brainwashed in my youth and, like you, became upset.
While it's a calming thought to believe that someone is watching over us, I find it a hard pill to swallow. I am one of those people that needs some sort of concrete evidence.
The best thing to do is to just keep your views private from your family and religious friends if it's going to put a rift in your relationships. It's not worth arguing over and losing family/friends for something as personal (and by that I mean unique to each individual) as religion. People cling to their beliefs hard.
I would consider myself agnostic.
Has anyone read Embraced by the light? It's a book about a woman who dies, comes back to life, and tells the experience that she had while dead. While reading it, I had some pretty strong feelings that what she said was true. I reccomend it to anyone who's curious about the meaning of life and what hapends after.
Hope I'm not beating a dead horse by posting on a thread that's been quite for 2 months lol.
Supernova, reading your post reminds me of the struggles I personally had trying to deprogram myself from all that evangelical dogma/crap/brainwashing I had when I was young. What's worse, I used to self-brainwash myself reading alot of 'christian apologetics' books. Why? Scared that if I doubted those beliefs, I'd go to hell. lol. FEAR is all part of that mindfuck with the religious right. In fact, it's like that episode in Star Trek 'Spectre of The Gun' where you had to remove all doubt:
"While Spock's will is so strong with this logical conclusion that nothing in this situation can harm him, he has to convince the others of the same, but any lingering doubt will prove deadly since the mind will make it real. Kirk orders Spock to mind meld with each member of the team, in an attempt to wipe away any and all doubt from their minds that the bullets from the Earps' guns are mere phantasms, and will pass through their bodies without injury."
If I doubted the christian faith I'd burn in hell lol. That's how mindfucked I was back then. Glad all of that's over now. Tracing back my steps to analyze rationally what got me into all this in the first place, etc. Long story short, it definitely helps to read up (or watch some videos) done by folks in the anti-relgious camp (Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, etc).
Also arguments made by agnostic-yet-spiritual against organized religion or more specifically the dogmatic mindset of religion. Just google 'Spirituality vs Religion' and you'll see what i mean. One is a humble attitude regarding all this, the other is about arrogance and control of the masses. Believing in a higher power that helped you out in a time of need is one thing. But establishing a form of religion is quite another. Best to spend one's time and effort in accordance to what merits it. Just say a heartfelt 'thanks' to the higher power that you feel may be helping you from time to time and leave it at that lol. No need to waste one's time, energy and resource establishing a religion based on a God who at best is acting like an absentee father in hiding... He/She/It doesn't deserve that much of our time and effort. Organized religion only works if God himself came out from hiding and appeared to all 6 ~ 7 billion face to face and established it (religion) himself. "Need to hear it directly from the horse's mouth' so to speak. Not 2nd hand, third hand hearsay. OR perhaps one day science advances to the point where we find answers all thru science -- create a device/ship that can travel to different dimensions and we visit God lol.
Supernova, reading your post reminds me of the struggles I personally had trying to deprogram myself from all that evangelical dogma/crap/brainwashing I had when I was young. What's worse, I used to self-brainwash myself reading alot of 'christian apologetics' books. Why? Scared that if I doubted those beliefs, I'd go to hell. lol. FEAR is all part of that mindfuck with the religious right. In fact, it's like that episode in Star Trek 'Spectre of The Gun' where you had to remove all doubt:
"While Spock's will is so strong with this logical conclusion that nothing in this situation can harm him, he has to convince the others of the same, but any lingering doubt will prove deadly since the mind will make it real. Kirk orders Spock to mind meld with each member of the team, in an attempt to wipe away any and all doubt from their minds that the bullets from the Earps' guns are mere phantasms, and will pass through their bodies without injury."
If I doubted the christian faith I'd burn in hell lol. That's how mindfucked I was back then. Glad all of that's over now. Tracing back my steps to analyze rationally what got me into all this in the first place, etc. Long story short, it definitely helps to read up (or watch some videos) done by folks in the anti-relgious camp (Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, etc).
Also arguments made by agnostic-yet-spiritual against organized religion or more specifically the dogmatic mindset of religion. Just google 'Spirituality vs Religion' and you'll see what i mean. One is a humble attitude regarding all this, the other is about arrogance and control of the masses. Believing in a higher power that helped you out in a time of need is one thing. But establishing a form of religion is quite another. Best to spend one's time and effort in accordance to what merits it. Just say a heartfelt 'thanks' to the higher power that you feel may be helping you from time to time and leave it at that lol. No need to waste one's time, energy and resource establishing a religion based on a God who at best is acting like an absentee father in hiding... He/She/It doesn't deserve that much of our time and effort. Organized religion only works if God himself came out from hiding and appeared to all 6 ~ 7 billion face to face and established it (religion) himself. "Need to hear it directly from the horse's mouth' so to speak. Not 2nd hand, third hand hearsay. OR perhaps one day science advances to the point where we find answers all thru science -- create a device/ship that can travel to different dimensions and we visit God lol.
