Anyone like philosophy?

[Ar Scion]

I love philosophy, especially metaphysics, but frankly I feel like reading too much of it can make you lose sense of reality and start questioning everything. And the problem is that there are no answers, just questions! (Socrates: All I know is that I know nothing) For a programmer 1+1=2. For a Philosopher it doesn't always equal 2.

My philosophy teacher in college: a single, 42 year old pothead that puts makeup on and plays starcraft every day. First day of class he told us that taking coke while a teenager helped him find his "inner self". Very smart and awesome guy though.

One of my best friends from high school: took philosophy in college, did a Masters and now doing a PhD. Today he's a 33 years old virgin still living at his parents basement. Very socially awkward and struggles with depression. Awesome guy to talk to though.

I have tons of examples like these. It could be just anecdotal evidence, or there could be some degree of correlation. I have no idea, but I have yet to meet a philosopher with both feet on the ground.

Have to say there is a ring of truth to this.

 

[wickedDUDE]

William Lane Craig is a very well-spoken Christian philosopher who I really enjoy listening to.

Check out some of his great debates:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP9CwDTRoOE"]William Lane Craig: Is God a Delusion? Sheldonian Theatre, Oxford October 2011 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqaHXKLRKzg"]The God Debate II: Harris vs. Craig - YouTube[/ame]


... dozens more on YouTube and at his web site www.reasonablefaith.org.

WLC and his team tried to organize a debate against Richard Dawkins, but it never ended up happening. Dawkins won't debate Craig for some reason, even though everyone would like to see it.

 

[igl00]

Extremely easy, really?

Having a comparison I would say it is one of the most difficult subjects to master. Many confuse philosophy with a group of people sitting and discussing simple ethical problems (not saying you do). Phylosophy is very broad with ontology, epistemology and other subjects.

from my year around 5 people finished the studies with masters. and at 1st year there was around 100 people. at 5th there was around 20 but not from same 'age' but alot that were repeating years or just trying badly.

many friends of mine started philosophy later because thought 'its cool to know stuff' and didnt go futher than 2nd year.

its great 'fun' to study that if you have right midset, if u dont u wont ever make even close to the end.

 

[jonas33h]

learning anything in school is stupid. It forces you to learn on and affirm things that you don't consider to be true. Philosophy as a whole is pretty sweet. But most of it is retarded bullshit that is not intellectual at all.

 

[jonas33h]

Extremely easy, really?

Having a comparison I would say it is one of the most difficult subjects to master. Many confuse philosophy with a group of people sitting and discussing simple ethical problems (not saying you do). Phylosophy is very broad with ontology, epistemology and other subjects.

I also doubt people go to study philosophy to get something from it apart from mind tools and probably the biggest intellectual adventure you may get.

Yes I would have to say it's easy when you contrast it with other majors, like engineering degrees, or being a doctor, sciences (excluding geology shit was easy too), umm mathematics, economics, fuck even accounting is harder the philosophy. . .

I guess it might be harder than management or a leadership degree or at least on the same level as them.

 

[tomaszjot]

learning anything in school is stupid. It forces you to learn on and affirm things that you don't consider to be true. Philosophy as a whole is pretty sweet. But most of it is retarded bullshit that is not intellectual at all.

I don't know if you have to affirm things you don't consider to be true. A lot of philosophy studying is actually a history of Philosophy. You may disagree with what Plato said but what is wrong with knowing what he said even if you disagree with it?

Also, just interested, what part of Philosophy you consider to be retarded and not intellectual?

 

[tomaszjot]

Yes I would have to say it's easy when you contrast it with other majors, like engineering degrees, or being a doctor, sciences (excluding geology shit was easy too), umm mathematics, economics, fuck even accounting is harder the philosophy. . .

I guess it might be harder than management or a leadership degree or at least on the same level as them.

Some of the studies you listed require more of memory effort than actually thinking.

"even accounting is harder the philosophy" this pretty much sums up your knowledge about Philosophy.

 

[jonas33h]

or maybe your knowledge about accounting? I took several philosophy classes and accounting classes as well, considering I put no effort into getting A's in philosophy and slightly more effort into accounting to get C's I can come to the conclusion that accounting is harder than philosophy.

Not to mention all of my friends also found philosophy to be a joke and effortless. . . but I also believe that of management and leadership degrees and geology all of which other people can find challenging.

that is my reality which might be different from your but being a philosophy buff I am sure you understand that not everyone experience similar events exactly the same.

You might struggle to grasp philosophy but that does not mean everyone does! I struggle with math, but it's all good. Hence why accounting and numbers where some what challenging to me.

 

[brandonbaker]

I love philosophy, especially metaphysics, but frankly I feel like reading too much of it can make you lose sense of reality and start questioning everything. And the problem is that there are no answers, just questions! (Socrates: All I know is that I know nothing) For a programmer 1+1=2. For a Philosopher it doesn't always equal 2.

My philosophy teacher in college: a single, 42 year old pothead that puts makeup on and plays starcraft every day. First day of class he told us that taking coke while a teenager helped him find his "inner self". Very smart and awesome guy though.

One of my best friends from high school: took philosophy in college, did a Masters and now doing a PhD. Today he's a 33 years old virgin still living at his parents basement. Very socially awkward and struggles with depression. Awesome guy to talk to though.

I have tons of examples like these. It could be just anecdotal evidence, or there could be some degree of correlation. I have no idea, but I have yet to meet a philosopher with both feet on the ground.

Make sure you reconsider your direction of causation here...

 

[tomaszjot]

or maybe your knowledge about accounting? I took several philosophy classes and accounting classes as well, considering I put no effort into getting A's in philosophy and slightly more effort into accounting to get C's I can come to the conclusion that accounting is harder than philosophy.

Not to mention all of my friends also found philosophy to be a joke and effortless. . . but I also believe that of management and leadership degrees and geology all of which other people can find challenging.

that is my reality which might be different from your but being a philosophy buff I am sure you understand that not everyone experience similar events exactly the same.

You might struggle to grasp philosophy but that does not mean everyone does! I struggle with math, but it's all good. Hence why accounting and numbers where some what challenging to me.

several philosophy classes != PhilosophyDuring my engineering studies I had math for 2 years, probably on high level. It doesn't make me a mathematician.

I tried to apply for surgeon job in my local hospital because I cut the frog in high school but my application has been rejected.

I don't know anyone for whom Philosophy was a joke but he/she would struggle with numbers. I would say many Philosophy subjects require thinking similar to the one you use with numbers.

I congratulate you if Philosophy is easy for you. It must be a pleasure reading source texts from Wittgenstein, Husserl, Ingarden and other with ease.

 

[pfgannon]

or maybe your knowledge about accounting? I took several philosophy classes and accounting classes as well, considering I put no effort into getting A's in philosophy and slightly more effort into accounting to get C's I can come to the conclusion that accounting is harder than philosophy.

Maybe you're just not very good at math. Just sayin'.

 

[MSTeacher]

Red herring. Education is about conformity, philosophy is not.

college philosophy curriculum is on the whole absolutely as conformed as the public education system.

It's great if you want college to be interesting, extremely easy, and offer you absolutely nothing in the job market once you graduate.

philosophy is not extremely easy.

I took several philosophy classes and accounting classes as well, considering I put no effort into getting A's in philosophy and slightly more effort into accounting to get C's I can come to the conclusion that accounting is harder than philosophy.

Not to mention all of my friends also found philosophy to be a joke and effortless. . .

that is my reality

and it does nothing to judge the relative difficulty of philosophy and accounting as schools of academic discipline or fields of study.

 

[jonas33h]

funny how people claim to know what other peoples experiences and/or reality is. . .



and then claim to understand philosophy!




oh and I already admitted that math was my weak point. . . but good job pointing it out anyways.

 

[MediaBuysEyez]

learning anything in school is stupid. It forces you to learn on and affirm things that you don't consider to be true.

I think your stereotype is a bit too broad. School can teach you things as they really are in many cases. Some subjects, like philosophy, typically lack much in concrete answers. However, other subjects, such as a lot of law courses, are nothing but answers.

 

[babebot]

 

[blureach]

Enjoying philosophical questions =! enjoying philosophy as a major or profession. Take Phi 101 and see if you like it.

I enjoy economic philosophy and in general like philosophic questions, but I didn't favor the standard phi classes. Take the class, talk to some professors, grad students, and people that you want to be when you grow up to make up your mind, not an internet forum.


BTW, the picture above me has two of the hottest bods/tits I've seen on this forum and thats after countless hours spent in the nsfw section and viewing all of learningcurves posts. I don't know why but decent size real ones that sag just a bit are so much more attractive than big perky ones, imo.

 

[pfgannon]

funny how people claim to know what other peoples experiences and/or reality is. . .




and then claim to understand philosophy!




oh and I already admitted that math was my weak point. . . but good job pointing it out anyways.

guess I missed that. just poking fun anyway...



still, good job contrasting two totally unrelated studies. Then proclaiming, as if speaking in absolutes, that one is "harder" than another, after your rather subjective comparison.




and this coming from someone who claims to be bad at math and finds philosophy easy...

 

[jonas33h]

define hard?


define easy?


what is absolute?

Did I not follow up with another post clarifying that I meant me and my inner circle of friends?


Are you refuting my life experiences ?

 

[jonas33h]

or maybe your knowledge about accounting? I took several philosophy classes and accounting classes as well, considering I put no effort into getting A's in philosophy and slightly more effort into accounting to get C's I can come to the conclusion that accounting is harder than philosophy.

Not to mention all of my friends also found philosophy to be a joke and effortless. . . but I also believe that of management and leadership degrees and geology all of which other people can find challenging.

that is my reality which might be different from your but being a philosophy buff I am sure you understand that not everyone experience similar events exactly the same.

You might struggle to grasp philosophy but that does not mean everyone does! I struggle with math, but it's all good. Hence why accounting and numbers where some what challenging to me.

I believe this post points out that this was my life experience as a college student subjected to all of these studies.

 

[jonas33h]

and how do you know that it is not easy?