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Take the old guy out of the equation and you believe in the same thing. What logic are you talking about. There is no evidence, show me a missing link, explain to me how DNA happened(if you understand how complicated it actually is), how do you explain emotions like love - jealousy - hate, I can go on and on. You can believe in what ever you want to believe in just don't call it logic. I call it blind faith, I'm sure you never actually questioned evolution and all that other bull shit with criticism.
I grew up in communism and that's the only thing they cram down your neck; as most schools currently. I realize I cant prove the other side either, but somehow most atheist think there a bunch of walking Einsteins and logic is in their veins. Raise your nose and walk proud my friends. Just dont forget to notice whats right below your feet.
 


Those are silly arguments. So you believe in a god because you don't have all of the answers? Not knowing how something works doesn't mean a mystical man created it. Missing link? You don't understand evolution. What, you want to see a human that walked slightly hunched over? It doesn't work that way. It's punctuated by smaller changes that group together for larger changes. That's basic science at this point. We've taken chicken embryos and made single gene changes in them that have had a HUGE impact on the physical features of the creature. They grow a tail, a beak is replaced by a mouth, lose feathers, etc, all with a single gene mutation. Just because YOU don't understand genetics, dna, biology, it doesn't mean there is a creator.
 
You don't understand evolution. What, you want to see a human that walked slightly hunched over? It doesn't work that way. It's punctuated by smaller changes that group together for larger changes. That's basic science at this point.

Present to us a single transitional fossil and I will believe in this thing that you call evolution.

-From the mouth of Charles Darwin himself regarding transitional fossils. "The most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory..."
 
Did you not read what I wrote, or are you just ignoring it? There is no need for transitional fossils as explained in detail in my above posts. You aren't going to have fish with half a leg and half a flipper. It wouldn't have what it needs to survive or become sexually successful at reproducing. beyond that, if you understand the process of fossilization, you would understand the EXTREME rarity of such a fossil being preserved. It's a one in a million shot that something dies and ends up in the exact circumstances required for fossilization. Beyond that, read my post above about the impact we have WITNESSED from SINGLE gene mutations.
 
Not knowing how something works also doesn't mean it created it self. The missing link also happens to be very important - imagine the implications if one is found.

DNA - Its true we can play with DNA. But for Darwinian evolution purposes. Not only does DNA need to change but it needs an increase in genetic information. For instance reptiles and birds are very different - reptiles dont have genetic code for wings or feathers. If you wanted to change a reptile into a bird it would require an addition of pretty complex code. ( Again something out of nothing).
As for Genetic Mutations - evidence clearly point to a more limited product other then a positive change.
Even if a leg started to turn into a wing (pretending additional code is there) The leg would be a bad leg before it becomes a good wing. What ever happened to the fastest and the strongest survive logic. That creature would have been an easy meal
 
Actually, you should probably do some more research. As I have shown above, researchers have accomplished EXACTLY what you are saying with SINGLE gene mutations. No extra dna changes required. I know, you are stuck using the same old tried and debunked sudo science examples religion has talked about for years. It's sad that none of you have actually taken a moment to research it and find out you are wrong.
 
Why religion there is plenty of scientist who study DNA and what I just said above is absolutely true. (go ahead an prove me wrong) I think you need to do some research.
See you think just cause someone is religious there a complete moron and dont understand science. How typical. Okay smart one, you're right.
 
Rusky, can you debate any of the 7 points I mentioned? You seem to only respond to those attacking you while I was actually trying to understand your reasoning.
 
Heres an interview with Richard Dawkins (God Delusion Author)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc]YouTube - Ben Stein vs. Richard Dawkins Interview[/ame]
Just for Fun.
 
Rusky, can you debate any of the 7 points I mentioned? You seem to only respond to those attacking you while I was actually trying to understand your reasoning.
To many of you guys. I think I'm done for now. Need to get some work done. Sorry Dude.
 
You believe what you believe because at the tender age of childhood, you were exposed to a set of structured beliefs that you incorporated as your own just like a child does with Santa. Unlike Santa, you were never told he didn't exist.

We evolved to take "things as true" from guardians, it's what got our species this far. We have no concept of skeptical inquiry or rational reasoning at this young age and the word of the people we look up to are incorporated in our reality.

Everything we learn from our childhood is lived through this reality, making a false reality become truer to yourself as you continue to deceive yourself that your experiences are supportive of your beliefs. The longer you go on with these beliefs, the harder it becomes to detach yourself from it.

Zimock - I didn't have a lot of time - I skimmed through your post and I personally believe the above as true.

Also - You are free to consider, believe in, or embrace any religion, philosophy, theories, thoughts etc. (in whole or in part) in your life - what's most important is you take something positive from it. If it helps you and enhances your life (and others) in a positive way - then that's all good, nothing wrong with that.

At the end of the day - it is your life and you are responsible for it - and what you believe in to be true for you will determine how you make decisions which will cause effects.
 
Not knowing how something works also doesn't mean it created it self. The missing link also happens to be very important - imagine the implications if one is found.

DNA - Its true we can play with DNA. But for Darwinian evolution purposes. Not only does DNA need to change but it needs an increase in genetic information. For instance reptiles and birds are very different - reptiles dont have genetic code for wings or feathers. If you wanted to change a reptile into a bird it would require an addition of pretty complex code. ( Again something out of nothing).
As for Genetic Mutations - evidence clearly point to a more limited product other then a positive change.
Even if a leg started to turn into a wing (pretending additional code is there) The leg would be a bad leg before it becomes a good wing. What ever happened to the fastest and the strongest survive logic. That creature would have been an easy meal

1) Nothing creates itself. Not even God. Which is why there isn't one.
2) The "missing link" is a fallacy. It isn't missing; it just hasn't been found yet. Yes, there is a difference. Missing implies "not there at all" which simply isn't true. If it wasn't there, we wouldn't be here. So we just haven't found it yet.
3) DNA does not need to increase in information. Most of the genetic code is unused duplicate chains. You have no idea what you're babbling about.
4) Reptiles wouldn't have the code for feathers because they precede birds. You don't have the code for three-eyed, nine-footed helium breather. That doesn't mean that a billion years from now your descendants can't have it.
5) Changing from reptile to bird does take complex changes. But complex doesn't mean impossible and it certainly doesn't point to some sky-father manipulating every molecule in the Universe toward some grand design. Drip water on a piece of steel for a billion years and you have something different than a piece of steel. That's just common sense, not an argument for the existence of a rust god.
6) "evidence clearly point to a more limited product other then a positive change. " Huh?
7) "Even if a leg started to turn into a wing (pretending additional code is there)" It doesn't take additional code, it takes different code. Change, not growth. Ever hear of a chromosome? You do realize that there are a fixed number in most creatures right? No, probably not now that I think about it. If you knew that, you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense.
8) "The leg would be a bad leg before it becomes a good wing" Really? So if the "bad" leg slows your descent in a panicked jump from a tree branch just enough to allow you to escape a predator, it's bad? It doesn't let you fly, true, but it serves the rudimentary purpose: escape predation. You have obviously never actually studied evolution. I'm guessing you read a few religious tracts - and quoted them here - and smugly congratulate yourself on how well you 'argue' with the heathens.

Try actually thinking instead of regurgitating. It's much more comfortable, brings a sense of real peace as opposed to the frightened subservience to a mythical bully that you probably feel in your heart of hearts AND it keeps you from looking like a complete fucking retard in public. That will help you get laid, which will help you spread your genes around a bit. Seriously, look into it.

And as for some of these other posts about humanist, touchy feely bullshit like "love, devotion, faith" blah blah blah here's an experiment for you: go and run 15 miles a day for a week without drinking any water. The result will be (if you live) severe dehydration and depletion of certain necessary minerals and chemicals in your body, classified as electrolytes. Given an imbalance of electrolytes, your body's chemical structure starts to break down as your body is forced to cannibalize itself to survive.

Electrolyte imbalance causes rage, fatigue, confusion, balance problems, depression, anxiety etc.

Oddly enough feelings of love, satisfaction, bonding etc. all disappear when the chemical balance of the body is broken.

My point is that your lovey-dovey positive emotions, faith, charity, compassion etc. all break down when your bodies chemicals are out of whack.

Does that sound like a gift from the sky father to YOU?

Rusky, you believe because you're terrified, not because you truly believe. Put aside childish things.

Hopefully you get the reference. If not, either read the skyfather almanac more closely or stop arguing with people who actually have and see it for what it really is.

You won't of course, but that's just more evidence for those of us who actually think evidence is important.

/wave
 
2) The "missing link" is a fallacy. It isn't missing; it just hasn't been found yet. ---- Okay? So we dont have one, but you still believe its there.

4) Reptiles wouldn't have the code for feathers because they precede birds. - No Shit Genius. of course your explanation is "after billions and billions of years" the usual crap.

5) Changing from reptile to bird does take complex changes. But complex doesn't mean impossible - I'm assuming "after billions and billions of years" same crap.

8) "The leg would be a bad leg before it becomes a good wing" Really? So if the "bad" leg slows your descent in a panicked jump from a tree branch just enough to allow you to escape a predator, it's bad? It doesn't let you fly, -Would you put a cripple in the Olympics? Would he have a chance? I wonder what the mathematical probability is of the cripple winning. Ever notice how the predator always goes after the weak.

--That will help you get laid, which will help you spread your genes around a bit. Seriously, look into it. --- Already did thank you very much. I always wonder about people that try to put people down this way? Its like saying I will kick your ass in a chat room - but face to face you're a scared little bitch.
 
but face to face you're a scared little bitch.


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OH SNAP
 
2) The "missing link" is a fallacy. It isn't missing; it just hasn't been found yet. ---- Okay? So we dont have one, but you still believe its there.

Actually, "missing links" have been found ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE. The problem is not that transitional fossils are not found, but rather that religious fucks make this a moving target.

Every time a "missing" link is found, they will go and say "yeah... but find me the link between THAT and..."

Easy game:

Find me a number between 1 and 10.
8
err.. find me a number between 8 and 10.
9
Now find me a number between that and 10.
9.2
...etc...

you can keep that shit up forever.

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I really dont see anybody bringing anything solid to this; but usually see the same people pointing out what they think is wrong with what I say.
Like I said Believing in a designer is my belief.
If you think we came from monkeys thats your belief. (prove otherwise if its a fact dont just talk shit) I dont want to get involved so make it short and to the point.

xentech - What are you talking about?

All I have been doing is asking you simple questions, you are obviously a retard if you don't understand them.
 
Wow this thread got bigger, should have refreshed it from last night.

You've got to understand Rusky, nobody is going to take you seriously when you dodge peoples questions by saying "I've had enough", say things like "Atheism is its own religion".

I call it blind faith, I'm sure you never actually questioned evolution and all that other bull shit with criticism.

What the fuck has evolution got to do with being an atheist? Evolution is a scientific theory which 95% of the scientific community agree with, some of them religious. It has nothing to do with being an atheist, many atheists don't believe in evolution.

It takes no blind faith to be an atheist.

I realize I cant prove the other side either, but somehow most atheist think there a bunch of walking Einsteins and logic is in their veins.

No. Those are just the atheists who debate it with you, there are millions of atheists in the world who don't debate it at all, but you're probably too close minded to realise that.
 
Actually, "missing links" have been found ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE. The problem is not that transitional fossils are not found, but rather that religious fucks make this a moving target.

Every time a "missing" link is found, they will go and say "yeah... but find me the link between THAT and..."

Easy game:

Find me a number between 1 and 10.
8
err.. find me a number between 8 and 10.
9
Now find me a number between that and 10.
9.2
...etc...

you can keep that shit up forever.

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Sufficient Missing link hasn't been found - your answers are typical evolutionist answers. "Well we got a couple were not sure of in the early stages" blaw blaw blaw. Most others were fakes - cant find one so I'll make one.
There isn't just a couple missing links but billions. Imagine the process of evolution to the largest mammal in the world - Blue whale - and how many cycles did that take is the question if you know it all so well.
 
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