Case Study: Spending 25,000.00 on an offline biz using WickedFire BST services.

Hey guys, so I haven't done much to this site as of late, I picked up another project and that has taken up most of my time. I have yet to add the new content, I still haven't gotten a report back from Second or have seen any of his links show up in webmaster tools or ahrefs. I'm currently getting steady reviews from all over the web "paid reviews" and I actually disavowed a bunch of links I wasn't feeling 4 days ago.

So has anything changed?

Well I hit a new milestone. 100 keys now top 3 and I am up to 37k total profits now from this project so I am already quite a bit into the green. I'm considering taking that 10k or so profit and running a PPC campaign with it to see if I can double or triple my money.

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Also I forgot to mention, a technique I've been using which I've never seen used is this.

Remember I said Google only takes into account the first "anchor" for a link to a page?

Well when you build your menu for your site I said "Make sure it is in text & use the proper anchors". Well for the "Locations drop down" I use an image that looks like it is text instead. The reason is because I can't put in the anchor for it "Service in City Name" it would be too long and too spammy. So I will fit that anchor somewhere else (Usually in my first paragraph) on the page. I don't put any alt text or anything on it. It has a rollover also so it looks and feels just like the regular "text" links. You would never know unless you tried to highlight it with your mouse.

Do you think the same effect could be accomplished by just "nofollowing" all the links in the menu bar and then just having the in-context anchor text in the content?

Congrats on the 37k in profit. That's insane and Second's links haven't even kicked in.
 
Do you think the same effect could be accomplished by just "nofollowing" all the links in the menu bar and then just having the in-context anchor text in the content?

Congrats on the 37k in profit. That's insane and Second's links haven't even kicked in.

It is still a contextual outbound link to the same page. It's an interesting thought. I may test it on another site and then we can compare after about a month or so. I'll do an exact match keyword in the body and some random nonsense anchor in the menu. Then after a month I'll switch them and we will find out.

In other news I woke up today to a 6 figure insurance job. These jobs are rare as the avg profit in this niche is $6,000.00. I expect to be gaining $25-$30k from this one job.
 
Just want to point out that none of my points have been proved wrong for either thread. This wasn't like a personal attack, if you're going to give marketing advice I will make a point if I disagree--it's a marketing discussion forum. The same way I would anyone, it's not like I was calling you names I was discussing your points.

I pointed out that all the pics were in this thread are from the site you're writing about (my assumption) because then I felt later you were deliberately dismissing me and putting words in my mouth in this thread. This was about the only time I got personal and made a call on your character...

I'm not going to chase you or PM you n' stuff man, I'm obsessive but not that obsessive. I simply saw that you answered my question that Konstantine brought up which made me reply here.

You must have the memory of a gold fish. Acting like yo shit don't stank... pft.

Chill out. Or I'll make you cry again. Ya dig?
 
No, just a guy who baits mamas basement antisocials who play expert on forums for 6 hours a day. Like I said, go rank some 5 word longtails, you peasant bitch. :)

PS - moved countries three times since you read whatever I wrote. Too bad you cant afford to travel. You should enclose more patios with screens, bro.

And I can turn anything you're tied to into a steaming pile of shit in less time too and make you commit suicide on top of that -- though to be fair that would take a bit more time and a lot more effort, but still, totally doable using all sorts of dark arts mind magics on your butter and clay brain of overly conditioned consumerism bullshit.

So, why don't you take your anger and use it on people who really deserve it instead of trying to fuck some guy's day up here who's contributing in the last days of this place's free for all forum fuckery... eh?? How about it??

Awesome.

Play nice, boys.
 
You must have the memory of a gold fish. Acting like yo shit don't stank... pft.

Chill out. Or I'll make you cry again. Ya dig?

This is to combine to your response in the 'Bad News' thread. I understand how you think I'm just bullying but I would like to think a big part of my posting (in general) was helping people out when I had time, and then sometimes I do shoot the shit, I respect your forum a lot.

The crying you're referring to was a misunderstanding where I said WF people aren't great at social media as they focus more on SEO now and the Skype stuff I had in my sig. I was more just making it clear I wasn't trying to profit on your site respecting what you done, plus appreciation for the community and so I apologized and you said that was that.

Personally though, I'm not going to post somewhere where the head guy thinks I haven't done anything but bully past couple years so this is last post and removed anything promotional too. Wanted to make the record clear though.
 
This is to combine to your response in the 'Bad News' thread. I understand how you think I'm just bullying but I would like to think a big part of my posting (in general) was helping people out when I had time, and then sometimes I do shoot the shit, I respect your forum a lot.

The crying you're referring to was a misunderstanding where I said WF people aren't great at social media as they focus more on SEO now and the Skype stuff I had in my sig. I was more just making it clear I wasn't trying to profit on your site respecting what you done, plus appreciation for the community and so I apologized and you said that was that.

Personally though, I'm not going to post somewhere where the head guy thinks I haven't done anything but bully past couple years so this is last post and removed anything promotional too. Wanted to make the record clear though.

Cry me a fuckin river. Let's all learn something from this instead of giving into this nonsense childish behavior shall we....

See this everyone?

I want everyone reading this to focus not on what is written above by him specifically, but the emotion and change in demeanor so swiftly from just one post prior to where he held an aggressive position based on the assumed perception that he knew what the fuck he was talking about and demanded answers for everyone. (He may have been claiming to do this for everyone, but really, it was just for him and he took that position because he didn't want anyone calling his bluff on the fact that it was all just a ploy to make someone (Tim) in a proving himself position (Tim, while trying to document and report on an ongoing follow along case study has been knocked off his focus by three trolling fucks, doesn't realize this until just this moment when he read it, hey Tim!) to essentially kneel down and obey at his feet (Julian) because of some major issue in his personal life or career that is the source of not being adequate or fulfilled enough.

What he's doing here is responding in a confused and 'holy fuck I need to repair my shit quick before everyone sees that I'm a weak and overly sensitive person before I lose my position of power on this forum now!' --- aka -- GRASPING ON SHAKY GROUND FOR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T FUCKING THERE.

He's also back tracking and playing the age old and totally pathetic damsel in distress OR self victimization tactic, where someone pulls a total change of power and plays the victim who is caught up in something by accident and should be felt sorry for not hated or disliked or blamed etc etc --- Look fucker, ya started something on here based on shit. You didn't think it through. This is clear to me. That's why I knew I could say what I did and it would fuck your shit up quickly and with absolute ferocity. You're easy as fuck to read. That's just one of your problems that you're not taking responsibility for that you really really should if you're going to be a dickhead to someone like that.

Just to let ya know sir, no one is thinking that, even though you are. I'd let ya delete the comment too but it's important for you and others to see this practice being called out and labeled as it happens ALL THE TIME and is accepted as the norm, which really does a massive disservice to one's self and everyone else reading it.

If none of this makes sense to any of you reading it, that's fine. It doesn't mean you're an imbecile it just means you're not mentally mature or self aware yet. You may be some day, I sure hope you are.

Finally... to you Mr. Julian The Flynn of Sin and anything else that rhymes with your name.. FUCKING CHILL OUT. I wasn't ripping you a new one for fun the way you were doing so on this thread, I was making a point. A point, that you took out of context. Furthermore a point you have missed and hopefully got by now. Is this going to hurt for you? Hell yes. And you deserve it so own up to it and accept it. Act like a punk and someone bigger and badder will come in and fuck your shit up and it will hurt and you will get over it and hopefully learn from it and think before you act next time... or you'll just quit and fuck off, so you can do the same silly shit elsewhere. Doesn't make a difference to me. It's your life, if you want to act like a dimwit, ya will, but you really don't have to, especially not here.

Hey Vadym... would ya like me to shatter your sense of self to the core so you too can be outted and quartered in a public word shaming emotion and feeling bleeding heart boo fuckin hoo but oh so entertaining session like your comrade Julian???? Or would you like to just shut the fuck up and let Tim get on with his interesting and entertaining presentation??? Choose wisely, because I'm not bluffing and perfectly situated to fuck your world up if you desire it so.

(Unrelated in this thread but interesting factoid - Pace Lattin and Nickycakes both use this damsel in distress and self victimization tactic when they are challenged with this crazy shit called the truth and/or facts, every, single, time. That's why they are sooooooooooooooooooooooo easy to beat and predict. Both being huge career jerks too make it even more entertaining but that part is something they were born as not learned and refined like the other responses..)


Tim...the floor is yours again. Please, continue.
 
PS- I totally enjoyed doing the post above. I won't even pretend like I didn't. I didn't do it for entertainment I did it to prove many points that others here seem to feel but not have the balls to speak up about or take risks on.

Shameless plug: The changes I'm making with WickedFire are going to be based on things like this. I won't tolerate people acting like this to each other anymore and neither should you.
 
I know I said last post before, but since you're specifically calling me out.

I post on multiple places, I don't gain my 'strength' from this, it's simply a way to talk to other web marketers. You said you would reverse my ban if I didn't talk about Skype anymore and I quickly apologized to you in PM and said it was a misunderstanding and just didn't even talk about it. This is what you're concluding as crying and I set the record straight.

I never sold anything here, the sites I referred people to weren't mine or were just free, no email list, no profit. Simply here because I liked it and I like web marketing.

I didn't call any names here and like I pointed out in this thread I defended Tim's points more than once. Everything was actually settled down until you posted in here, I didn't say anything more to Tim, he answered, and that was it.

Am I playing a damsel in distress? I guess that's up to you to call, this would be my point of view though.

I'm going to miss out on this 'New Wickedfire', but I hope the best regardless of what's being exchanged now, this place used to be a big part of the web marketing community.

Edit: also side note. You didn't actually say anything against my remarks or the banning just that I'm playing some 'card' in my deck. Really, no motive to lie here. Not like I'm sending anyone anywhere.
 
I know I said last post before, but since you're specifically calling me out.

I post on multiple places, I don't gain my 'strength' from this, it's simply a way to talk to other web marketers. You said you would reverse my ban if I didn't talk about Skype anymore and I quickly apologized to you in PM and said it was a misunderstanding and just didn't even talk about it. This is what you're concluding as crying and I set the record straight.

I never sold anything here, the sites I referred people to weren't mine or were just free, no email list, no profit. Simply here because I liked it and I like web marketing.

I didn't call any names here and like I pointed out in this thread I defended Tim's points more than once. Everything was actually settled down until you posted in here, I didn't say anything more to Tim, he answered, and that was it.

Am I playing a damsel in distress? I guess that's up to you to call, this would be my point of view though.

I'm going to miss out on this 'New Wickedfire', but I hope the best regardless of what's being exchanged now, this place used to be a big part of the web marketing community.

Context.... respect it!

Look here sensitive boy... I don't care if you stay here or not. You do whatever you want. I think you should stay and can greatly benefit from it both personally as a self aware guy and for your career too, directly and indirectly too! But, you gotta drop this overly emotional response as you're making yourself look more dramatic than me! (That's a lot!!!)

So if you'd like, and this is rare.. I'll hide your last post and this one of mine if you say so.... and we'll pretend this back and forth on a thread that was completely out of context even happened. lol! See, that's the only thing I am doing as the head of this fine establishment that differs from anything you and anyone else has done right here right now. I don't abuse my powers. I think I'm pretty damn responsible with them and I don't need to be coddled about it as confirmation either.

Stand up, go outside, and ask a stranger for a hug if you need to. You're going to a real extreme here when it doesn't need to be. But I'm not pleading with you to please stay. You do whatever you feel you need to and will stick to...

Or...

I can ban you right this moment as a form of falling on your sword in the most cowardly and just.. ridiculous form of protest that all should never have even been an option in the first place. But I understand your addiction to this place, and I will say I appreciate you being here regardless if this is your last day or not..

So please sir. Decide now. Because I think we've wasted more than enough effort on such an arbitrarily silly topic in someone else's thread and it's gotten to the point of ridiculousness and disrespect to everyone reading this now.

Cue: Jeopardy music
 
Just because this is being addressed in public I will just answer here.

Like I said before, regardless of this I still have a massive amount of respect for Wickedfire and especially you. Saying that and the choices you are giving me I will take the ban if that means post staying.

If I really do feel like I fucked up in the future maybe seeing the posts will help. You may view it as cowardly or emotionally manipulative but I would disagree. I do feel like my character would be in question.

Also, I apologize if you feel like I took you out of context there, but that's what I was picking up. And this doesn't mean I don't agree with you that I need to 'chill out' and I can get obsessive sometimes with this marketing stuff, but I sincerely think I didn't cross any boundaries here. Maybe with that web host guy, but that case was just entertainment because he was spam.

So sincerely, unless I'm being specifically called out in a negative way this would be my last response here, ban or not up to you. I know I can personally just do the self-will of just not posting though.
 
And the show goes on, folks!

EDIT: @tim, you mentioned this was a local business/site, did you do any citations for the site? Or was it all just these link packages?
 
Just because this is being addressed in public I will just answer here.

You're still grasping and playing games.

I gave you options, you balked and it's apparent you are full of shit after all and have been wasting time and here for trolling and nothing of real substance when being knocked off your game, just the way you attempted to do to Tim in this thread, for seemingly no actual apparent reason. You're a genuine coward. Go play somewhere else.

Anyone who consoles or feels for this person should leave too, because you're not going to understand how things will operate here soon enough. Don't even bother getting upset about it, just part ways as clean as quickly as possible. :)
 
prob did him a favor. now he can try to actually work instead of arguing minute details to show us how superior he is
 
Tried to really read through all the non-drama posts - couple of thoughts.

First - Good approach on the % of business. If you can carry that through to whatever CRM is in use and get paid on the LTV of the customer, you're even better off. Though - this doesn't seem like a super frequent purchase, so maybe not as applicable here.

Second - Glad to see you're not caught up in the dick-measuring-keywords-as-sole-targets loop. Dollars > impressions.

Third - Congrats on the success thus far.

Fourth - Jesus, man - hide your shit better.
 
Tried to really read through all the non-drama posts - couple of thoughts.

First - Good approach on the % of business. If you can carry that through to whatever CRM is in use and get paid on the LTV of the customer, you're even better off. Though - this doesn't seem like a super frequent purchase, so maybe not as applicable here.

Second - Glad to see you're not caught up in the dick-measuring-keywords-as-sole-targets loop. Dollars > impressions.

Third - Congrats on the success thus far.

Fourth - Jesus, man - hide your shit better.

The site the pics are hosted on is an old site that isn't being used anymore it is not the project site.

Thanks for the comments. You're right it isn't a frequent purchase. If I can get to 30 sales a month I'd be fuckin ecstatic. Also the job that was landed for over 100k yesterday morning (Very rare job in this field) was from a keyword that returned 0ms according to Google and every other piece of software out there. Sometimes you just have to say what would I type if I needed this service in this area. Forget the numbers.
 
As I understand it he's got an agency job, so now he can go do that... or not.. lol
Not that I give a shit, but I am pretty sure he works for himself as a consultant, not an agency.
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@Tim, what do you think has been your most effective tactic thus far?
 
And the show goes on, folks!

EDIT: @tim, you mentioned this was a local business/site, did you do any citations for the site? Or was it all just these link packages?

I use Andrew Scherer on this forum to build the citations for me, I talked about it earlier in the thread. I also plan to use Broland on this project if we can reach an agreement on payment terms lol...

Not that I give a shit, but I am pretty sure he works for himself as a consultant, not an agency.


@Tim, what do you think has been your most effective tactic thus far?

Building a lot of targeted content with thought out inner-linking.
 
Not that I give a shit, but I am pretty sure he works for himself as a consultant, not an agency.

Could very well be Mr. Technical. I'm merely human, not claiming to be the all seeing all knowing eye in the sky... wait.. I think I'm supposed to write this in Latin now... ;P

But srsly, I am not friendly with him and he could work for himself too which would suck even more because that's a real wasted opportunity for him. It's shitty to speak of someone that isn't here to confirm or participate so I'll stop now.