Convince me to spend $2,500 on something other than an iMac

Haha, you aren't going to convince a Windows user that Mac is better, and you aren't going to convice a Mac user Windows is better. Just use what you're comfortable with.
 


Why is OSX better for development? I use my Macbook Pro during the day at the office, and my W7 PC at home. Honestly Dreamweaver has crashed on my MBP more times than I can count, it's an almost daily occurrence. Doesn't happen on Windows. You can blame Adobe if you like, but it still doesn't support your theory.

Nobody ever answers the 'why' question... it's always generalised bullshit. I designed my sig in OSX, what does that tell you?

He says development and you write about dreamweaver..... umm


How about these as a few trivial examples

1) Macs have ruby on rails out of the box.
2) Macs have php out of the box
3) Macs have ssh out of the box

Obviously its a matter of what you are developing, but for many things other than Windows applications I have no idea why you wouldn't want to use a Mac.
 
Why is OSX better for development? I use my Macbook Pro during the day at the office, and my W7 PC at home. Honestly Dreamweaver has crashed on my MBP more times than I can count, it's an almost daily occurrence. Doesn't happen on Windows. You can blame Adobe if you like, but it still doesn't support your theory.

Nobody ever answers the 'why' question... it's always generalised bullshit. I designed my sig in OSX, what does that tell you?

Dreamweaver, what the fuck? People still use that?

Well, I can switch between windows faster with the trackpad, I have a unix console, the OS gives me a nice 'feeling' that makes me actually enjoy working, less distractions

It's kinda like the OS stays out of your way, so you can focus on doing actual work.

Haha, you aren't going to convince a Windows user that Mac is better, and you aren't going to convice a Mac user Windows is better. Just use what you're comfortable with.

Someone (or multiple people) convinced me not too long ago. And I am glad they did.
 
Why is OSX better for development? I use my Macbook Pro during the day at the office, and my W7 PC at home. Honestly Dreamweaver has crashed on my MBP more times than I can count, it's an almost daily occurrence. Doesn't happen on Windows. You can blame Adobe if you like, but it still doesn't support your theory.

Nobody ever answers the 'why' question... it's always generalised bullshit. I designed my sig in OSX, what does that tell you?

I don't think you can blame your sig on the fact that you're using a mac.

I would get the MacBook Pro if there is a way to have 2 iPads work as additional monitors.

That would be extremely portable and slick.

You can use one, not sure about two (works on windows as well).
 
1) Macs have ruby on rails out of the box.
2) Macs have php out of the box
3) Macs have ssh out of the box

Obviously its a matter of what you are developing, but for many things other than Windows applications I have no idea why you wouldn't want to use a Mac.

Wow talk about software bloat!

I don't run anything locally, I use a centos development server for mysql and php, so that's all moot. Any serious developer would do the same.

SSH out of the box? god forbid i have to install a 450kb copy of putty on my PC.

If you're developing iPhone apps, you have a point. If you're developing anything else, then you haven't made a very convincing argument. As I said, I happily use both every day. I just don't see any reason why OSX is any better at development than Windows and I'm sick of hearing that bullshit, especially when nobody can give an answer as to why they think it's true.

Dreamweaver, what the fuck? People still use that?

Without the Adobe suite, Apple would never have gained traction in the graphic design community. It was released on OSX before Windows, mind you. I gave Coda a shot when I started using OSX, Coda didn't support SFTP, Dreamweaver did. Do you use Photoshop?

I don't think you can blame your sig on the fact that you're using a mac.

Glad you could see the humour in it.
 
Trying to convince an apple guy that they are paying way too much for an inferior machine is like trying to convince Christians that there really is no god: It may be the truth, but they are never going to believe it.

Keep going on with your inferior machine bullshit, Apple had ultrabooks 4 fucking YEARS before they existed for PCs.
 
Wow talk about software bloat!

And yet its 1/3 to 1/2 the size of a Windows 7 install, hmmm


I don't run anything locally, I use a centos development server for mysql and php, so that's all moot. Any serious developer would do the same.

So there is no serious developer who wants to hack out a quick web scraping python script relying on their present IP address (and also without having to go install python). There is no serious developer who wants to work on their app while on a flight. There is no serious developer who likes xcode (as three of a million examples), gotcha.

SSH out of the box? god forbid i have to install a 450kb copy of putty on my PC.

How's that working for SSH'ing INTO the local machine when you are remote? Just wondering. Yea cygwin is tons of fun isn't it.


If you're developing iPhone apps, you have a point. If you're developing anything else, then you haven't made a very convincing argument.

Why do you run centos over a windows server? Certainly you can run most web stacks on windows and you're already running windows locally. You do it because for web apps it requires less hacking and bullshit to get things to work they way you want them to. Mac OS X is POSIX compliant. If that doesn't matter to you then it doesn't matter to you.
 
Why is OSX better for development? I use my Macbook Pro during the day at the office, and my W7 PC at home. Honestly Dreamweaver has crashed on my MBP more times than I can count, it's an almost daily occurrence. Doesn't happen on Windows. You can blame Adobe if you like, but it still doesn't support your theory.

Nobody ever answers the 'why' question... it's always generalised bullshit. I designed my sig in OSX, what does that tell you?

why in god's name are you using the shitstorm that is dreamweaver?
 
I wouldn't say it caught up but it is significantly better. If Apple keeps moving the way they are going and locking down what apps you can and can't install I'll head to Ubuntu before Windows. It's "good enough." for what most of us do I believe.

That is basically what caused Apples failure the first time. Just replace "apps" with "drivers" and it's really failure waiting to happen all over again.

SSH out of the box? god forbid i have to install a 450kb copy of putty on my PC.

Putty is a steaming pile of shit compared to any native "SSH" (bash) terminal.
 
Now that I can post again,

So far I'm still set on the iMac. I do run Parallels to Windows 7 on my current iMac so I've used Windows recently and can echo some of the complaints from the Mac people here.

In general, Macs have always been aesthetically pleasing to me (physically and in UI), and I very very rarely encounter problems. Programs rarely ever crash. I've never had a virus. I never run into problems when needing a program for something.

I just don't like Windows design, I downloaded Rainmeter and made a tricked out setup, but 30% of the programs ended up bugging out. I've had viruses. Multiple instances where I lost data because of programs crashing. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but switching to a PC would almost certainly decrease my overall productivity.

I wasn't doing it because of cost either. I was planning on spending $2,500 on a pretty powerful PC setup, but the 2-year old iMac I'm using now has no problem running all of the programs I use at once. I don't need a ridiculous amount of power.

Rather than make a full transition to PC I'm either going to replace the screen in my current iMac, or sell it and buy a new one.