Detained for Open Carry (Guy owns officers)

[ly2 from WF]

America is nothing but our guard dog. Nothing more, nothing less.

...you may have a point there. BUT, that makes you guys the little old scared lady peeking out the blinds

America = bites people, pisses on stuff, has lots of sex with random bitches, openly licks our own balls and doesn't apologize for it
Euro = old lady peeking out the blinds

we win.

 

[Redshield]

First of all, there are no citizens. That's a myth that a "citizen" exists in America.

A rose by any other name...

Indeed, you are what we say you are.

 

[MSTeacher]

It's easier to let you guys kill each other. Meanwhile, I'm sure some wannabe lawyer with a gun on display is going to stop his government from killing lots of people.

You're missing the point. Nah you got it, I can tell.

And do give my regards to the fine chaps at Tavistock, they seem to be well as ever.

 

[-joe-]

Guys a douche bag just cuz you can spout off some laws doesn't mean you should That cop didn't have an attitude so he shouldn't have given him one.

Almost any person exercising authority doesn't begin a conversation with an attitude.

b) that cops shouldnt be able to demand a permit?

It's the same thing over here. The police need reasonable suspicion before they're allowed to search you. You have absolutely no obligation to provide any information about yourself until:

1. They state on what grounds, and what their reasonable suspicion is.
2. In the case of something other than a stop and search (so a stop for a reason other than drugs/weapons) you're under no obligation to provide any evidence at all until arrested.

 

[guerilla]

A rose by any other name...

Indeed, you are what we say you are.

Oh look, another shitposter.

 

[ly2 from WF]

Almost any person exercising authority doesn't begin a conversation with an attitude.

It's the same thing over here. The police need reasonable suspicion before they're allowed to search you. You have absolutely no obligation to provide any information about yourself until:

1. They state on what grounds, and what their reasonable suspicion is.
2. In the case of something other than a stop and search (so a stop for a reason other than drugs/weapons) you're under no obligation to provide any evidence at all until arrested.

Jesus, this is coming from a self-proclaimed "BritFag". So that leaves the rest of you eurofags falling somewhere on the gay scale between one of nickycakes ladybois and MattSEH. Matt, obviously, being the gayer of the two.

 

[guerilla]

It's easier to let you guys kill each other.

Your country will have gulags long before America does, for one reason and one reason only.

Americans are armed to the motherfucking teeth, and they will shoot people who fuck with them.

You on the other hand will go where you are told, even if it is to your death because you have surrendered your right to defend yourself.

 

[wayn3]

Guys a douche bag just cuz you can spout off some laws doesn't mean you should That cop didn't have an attitude so he shouldn't have given him one. Why was his gun visible enough that it caused the police to be called? Did he want to make a scene for his YT video? To bad they couldnt haul his ass to jail for being a dick

what kind of ass backwards argument is that. a cop demanding shit from you is enough of an attitude to me. they make stupid demands and if you dont over zealously comply with all the crap they throw at you, theyll happily haul your ass to jail or search the entire car causing a gigantic mess or some other shit.

but he didnt show attitude so everythings cool. if anyone else invaded someones privacy like that, itd be called a major crime. cops shouldnt have power "normal" people dont have. they should be better equipped and better educated to exercise that power. nothing more. if anything, cops actions should be scrutinized more than those of people because it should be assumed they should know better.

 

[dmnEPC]

So if they don't know the law, they should just do whatever they feel like?

Also, if they can't know the laws, then we probably can't know the laws.

I totally agree with you. But the reality is that we are expected to know and obey them even though we are never taught them in school.

First of all, there are no citizens. That's a myth that a "citizen" exists in America.

Really? If that's the case why dont you turn in your citizenship? You could give up your business, your bank acts, your right to carry, your right to reply to this thread as you see put, as well as the countless other things you do everyday without so much as a second thought?

Second of all, don't believe the fairytales. The job of the cops is to maintain compliance with the system and to prevent any competing agencies or firms from emerging to challenge the system.

agreed

Again, you're saying cops can do whatever because it's not fair to make them know what they are doing, and the prosecutors will sort it all out.

Those are your words not mine.

Now I know you have never been arrested.

You are correct sir. And I intend to keep it that way. And this is why when even before the cop asks me for my CCW I would happily inform him I am carrying and offer my ID, weapon, and permit up so he can make a proper assessment as to the threat level to not only his life but also the community he is serving. This way we can both feel safe and assure that we will both go home to our families after we are done.

 

[ly2 from WF]

I think it's time for some definitions up in this bitch.

 

[guerilla]

Really? If that's the case why dont you turn in your citizenship?

There are no citizens, so there is no citizenship to turn in.

You could give up your business, your bank acts, your right to carry, your right to reply to this thread as you see put, as well as the countless other things you do everyday without so much as a second thought?

I am not able to act as a human being because someone calls me a citizen. A man born into the wilderness could reply to this thread or do countless other things.

A citizen is a member of the body politic owing a duty of allegiance in return for a duty of protection.

Read that again so you understand it.

The police (the state) is not responsible for protecting you against harm. That's case law in the US. You can't sue the government or the police if you get attacked, or they show up late to a reported incident.

No duty of protection, means no duty of allegiance.

You are correct sir.

It's like the people who are for socialism on this forum. None of them pay fuckall taxes, if any. lol

 

[IceToEskimos]

I'm not sure why police officers seem to have a hard time with open carry laws when they clearly act as a tremendous deterrent to would-be criminals.

In 2003 I was living in a run down high-rise on the east side of Las Vegas at Cambridge and Flamingo, a block west of Maryland Parkway. While my building wasn't section 8, there were enough section 8 properties in the neighborhood to drag it into the toilet. Cars got broken into, people got robbed, and there was a lot of drug activity in the area. None of this really bothered me up on the 10th floor though, in fact, I used to enjoy sitting on my balcony and watching the ghetto birds comb through the neighborhood below with their spotlights looking for whoever they were after night after night. Everyday I would drive to work past the same dealers on the same corner (Cambridge and Katie) selling their shit to whoever stopped. Sometimes they'd be lined up against a wall while a Metro cop went through their pockets.

I used to stop at a convenience store on the corner of Katie and Maryland on my way home after gigs, and over time I got to be friendly with the older guy who worked 3rd shift there. His name was Sam, and he was a short little guy in his mid 60's. Sam liked politics, and we were of a similar mindset, so sometimes I'd keep him company in the store for a while while we chatted about libertarian issues. After a while, Sam told me that he owned the store, and the only reason he worked 3rd shift was that he wasn't able to find anyone willing to do it in that neighborhood that wasn't going to try and rob him blind. Sometimes Sam would clip articles out of newspapers or magazines that he thought I'd enjoy, and keep them behind the counter until he saw me again, it was nice.

Christmas in Las Vegas is a strange time, and it generally leads the desperate people in the city to commit even more desperate acts. At the time, there was no shortage of desperate people on the east side of Las Vegas, and the winter of 2003 saw a rash of robberies all along Maryland Parkway. One by one, it seemed like every little tavern and shop I knew got hit by one crew or another. Sometimes people got shot, sometimes the robbers just took what they wanted and left. I remember spending much of that Christmas season on a bar stool, looking up with apprehension every time the door opened, convinced that the next person to come into the joint was going to be waving a gun. Bar owners installed extra security cameras and people all over the place were on edge. It was an uncomfortable time.

You know who was never on edge? Sam.

The safest I ever felt that season was when I was chatting about politics with him in his shop at 4am after a long night, because Sam kept a .45 on his hip in plain sight, and every single asshole in the neighborhood knew it. Nobody ever even considered hitting his shop, and he never gave a thought to it beyond making sure that everyone who ever came into his place could see that he wasn't going to tolerate any bullshit.

I think that neighborhood has changed now, and Sam left town when his daughter got sick, but I've never forgotten that time period and the way his shop felt like an island of order in a sea of distress.

 

[dmnEPC]

There are no citizens, so there is no citizenship to turn in.


I am not able to act as a human being because someone calls me a citizen. A man born into the wilderness could reply to this thread or do countless other things.

A citizen is a member of the body politic owing a duty of allegiance in return for a duty of protection.

Read that again so you understand it.

The police (the state) is not responsible for protecting you against harm. That's case law in the US. You can't sue the government or the police if you get attacked, or they show up late to a reported incident.

No duty of protection, means no duty of allegiance.


It's like the people who are for socialism on this forum. None of them pay fuckall taxes, if any. lol

Again since its so bad why dont you renounce your citizenship? If there are no citizens then whats the point of keeping yours?

 

[wayn3]

You are correct sir. And I intend to keep it that way. And this is why when even before the cop asks me for my CCW I would happily inform him I am carrying and offer my ID, weapon, and permit up so he can make a proper assessment as to the threat level to not only his life but also the community he is serving. This way we can both feel safe and assure that we will both go home to our families after we are done.

Some 80 years ago, my grandfather was a little boy. he had to write a story for school. he wrote something along these lines:

"yesterday, some men visited us. they were nice, but took some of our things. when they left, they painted the star on our door. my dad said he has to close the store."

my mother still has the book its written in.

not much later, his dad must have decided that its not a good time to be what they were, and they changed up the family tree. later, my grandfather fought at the ostfront. he became a POW, but returned to germany soon after the war had ended. when he came back, all his aunts and uncles and their families were gone. they gradually had to give up tiny little pieces of their lifes. some day they had to prove what they couldnt prove, so they had to board trains.


it is happening right in front of your eyes. are you willing to see the signs? maybe this is part of survival of the fittest.

 

[dreamache]

You are correct sir. And I intend to keep it that way. And this is why when even before the cop asks me for my CCW I would happily inform him I am carrying and offer my ID, weapon, and permit up so he can make a proper assessment as to the threat level to not only his life but also the community he is serving. This way we can both feel safe and assure that we will both go home to our families after we are done.

What if that cop asked you to drop your pants so he could do an anal cavity search? After all, you have no problem carrying a weapon out in the open, you might be hiding a bomb up your ass too.

Sounds ridiculous, but I'm sure so did the notion of a sheriff requesting permits from every gun holding citizen a 100 years ago. Keep on rolling over to authority and the above scenario might just become acceptable in the future.

 

[subigo]

He's lucky. Try that where I live and the cops would have tazed him or shot him. It's hard to go around being right all the time if you're dead.

 

[guerilla]

I'm not sure why police officers seem to have a hard time with open carry laws when they clearly act as a tremendous deterrent to would-be criminals.

They don't like the competition.

Being a cop only works if you're a monopoly. If people can get defense and property protection anywhere, you can't just beat people up, stop anyone anytime (might have to face their defense agent!), embezzle, murder, and extort.

Again since its so bad why dont you renounce your citizenship? If there are no citizens then whats the point of keeping yours?

I already replied, I am not a citizen. There are no citizens. I can't renounce a delusion that millions of people believe in, because I never believed it in the first place.

 

[dmnEPC]

What if that cop asked you to drop your pants so he could do an anal cavity search? After all, you have no problem carrying a weapon out in the open, you might be hiding a bomb up your ass too.

Sounds ridiculous, but I'm sure so did the notion of a sheriff requesting permits from every gun holding citizen a 100 years ago. Keep on rolling over to authority and the above scenario might just become acceptable in the future.

There is a big difference from a guy out trolling for police interaction and what you are referring to. I am in no way suggesting to roll over to authority simply to use common sense and pick your battles wisely.

 

[guerilla]

There is a big difference from a guy out trolling for police interaction and what you are referring to.

How was he trolling? By exercising his rights?

 

[wayn3]

There is a big difference from a guy out trolling for police interaction and what you are referring to. I am in no way suggesting to roll over to authority simply to use common sense and pick your battles wisely.

some day people might have to be required to carry permits for not getting anal cavity searches. sounds stupid, but anything sounded stupid at some point before it became common practice. what about then? do you preemptively goatse in front of every police officer? maybe you walking around with pants might be seen as trolling for police interaction.