Detroit Files for Bankruptcy

But Michigan has had a Republican senate for 30 years straight. How could this happen on their watch?

I'm not defending the Republican Party, because at least on the federal level they definitely waste money with the best of them, but the State of Michigan is actually doing quite well.

It's just the city of Detroit, and a few smaller cities like Flint, Saginaw, Pontiac, Inkster and Benton Harbor that are complete shit and they are all mini-versions of Detroit without the sports teams and fine dining options.
 


You're better than this, Moxie. You know that has nothing to do with city spending.

I was pretending to be a partisan hyperbole guy, but I would say that state and federal governments have at least some type of influence on things like unemployment rates, which can effect city budgets.
 
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In the near future, Detroit, Michigan is on the verge of collapse due to financial ruin and unchecked crime.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdyyps2wmd4]RoboCop - Gas Station Scene - YouTube[/ame]


The movie was not futuristic at all IMO, a documentary maybe.
 
I was pretending to be a partisan hyperbole guy, but I would say that state and federal governments have at least some type of influence on things like unemployment rates, which can effect city budgets.

I missed that. Shows how observant I am...

On a side note, your style of debating is reminiscent of someone who has honed their skills on reddit. Am I right? And do you still troll conservatives there from time to time? :D

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On a side note, your style of debating is reminiscent of someone who has honed their skills on reddit. Am I right? And do you still troll conservatives there from time to time? :D

I've had accounts there for years but never did much posting really. The last 3 messages I put on r/politics got deleted, not because they broke the rules, but probably because they upset their "liberal" mods.
 
Here's the list of Mayors of SF for the last 50 years.

Hell the whole state is going into the toilet.Moved from California to Oregon and now Oregon is trying very hard to imitate California and trash it's economy. And yes the republications are getting more and more like the democrats every year. It seems like most of the country is simply irresponsible when it comes to money and the politicians of both parties head the pack. The only problem is we keep reelecting the idiots. :sadcrying4:
 
If you have interest in economics, political philosophy, and human action, this essay by Hans Hoppe is worth reading:

Political Economy of Monarchy and Democracy

I have linked to it in the past, but do again because it discusses issues that are relevant to Detroit's economic implosion. It is also beautifully constructed.

An excerpt:

The defining characteristic of private government ownership is that the expropriated resources and the monopoly privilege of future expropriation are individually owned. The appropriated resources are added to the ruler's private estate and treated as if they were a part of it, and the monopoly privilege of future expropriation is attached as a title to this estate and leads to an instant increase in its present value ("capitalization" of monopoly profit).

Most importantly, as private owner of the government estate, the ruler is entitled to pass his possessions onto his personal heir; he may sell, rent, or give away part or all of his privileged estate and privately pocket the receipts from the sale or rental; and he may personally employ or dismiss every administrator and employee of his estate.

In contrast, in a publicly owned government the control over the government apparatus lies in the hands of a trustee, or caretaker. The caretaker may use the apparatus to his personal advantage, but he does not own it. He cannot sell government resources and privately pocket the receipts, nor can he pass government possessions onto his personal heir. He owns the current use of government resources, but not their capital value.

Moreover, while entrance into the position of a private owner of government is restricted by the owner's personal discretion, entrance into the position of a caretaker-ruler is open. Anyone, in principle, can become the government's caretaker.

From these assumptions two central, interrelated predictions can be deduced:

1. A private government owner will tend to have a systematically longer planning horizon, i.e., his degree of time preference will be lower, and accordingly, his degree of economic exploitation will tend to be less than that of a government caretaker; and

2. subject to a higher degree of exploitation, the nongovernmental public will also be comparatively more present oriented under a system of publicly owned government than under a regime of private government ownership.


Another excerpt:

... the caretaker of a publicly owned government will try to maximize not total government wealth (capital values and current income), but current income (regardless, and at the expense, of capital values). Indeed, even if the caretaker wishes to act differently, he cannot. Because as public property government resources are not for sale, and without market prices economic calculation is impossible. Accordingly, it has to be regarded as unavoidable that public government ownership will result in continual capital consumption.

Instead of maintaining or even enhancing the value of the government estate, as a private owner would tend to do, a government's temporary caretaker will quickly use up as much of the government resources as possible, for what he does not consume now, he may never be able to consume.

In particular, a caretaker — as distinct from a government's private owner — has no interest in not ruining his country. For why should he not want to increase his exploitation if the advantage of a policy of moderation — the resulting higher capital value of the government estate — cannot be reaped privately, while the advantage of the opposite policy of increased exploitation — a higher current income — can be so reaped? To a caretaker, unlike to a private owner, moderation has only disadvantages and no advantages.
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ye9T8TJhlo]Detroit goes bankrupt declares Chapter 9 - YouTube[/ame]


bonus :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPb7gOL-uHI]Detroit eyes plan to half street lights as city shrinks - YouTube[/ame]
 
This is a scenario replicated all over the country. Politicians of all stripes sold out the taxpayers to receive the support of public sector unions.

I am a registered Democrat, but both parties suck. :2twocents:
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