Do any of you get your Dog Obedience on?
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I was dead set against using one of those reverse spiked collars but my beagle puppy would just run against her normal collar and leash choking herself out (not literally out but you could hear the strained breathing). And that was just normal walking. If she saw another person or another animal you would have to brace yourself because she was be straining her every muscle to run over to them (she's friendly with all people and animals). She would literally talk off on a sprint at full speed, reach the end of the leash, and get yanked out of mid-air when the leash ran out.
I finally broke down and bought one of the reverse spike collars just because I couldn't figure out a way to stop her from choking herself. First day, first walk, she pulled a few times and got the spikes in her neck and stopped pulling on the leash. She walked like she had been trained by a pro. Once or twice over the next few days she would bolt off after something and catch the spikes in her neck and yelp but other than those handful of incidents, she has not had any problems walking since then.
And she's still excited as hell to go walking. As soon as you say the word "walk" she goes right to the leash and starts wagging her tail and whining in excitement.
I can't say if shock collars are a good idea because I've never used one. But I was one of those people who believed in only positive reinforcement until I saw the results I got with the spiked collar. I still mostly still believe in positive reinforcement but I'm not as die-hard about it as I once was.
I've even thought about getting one because she refuses to stay out of the kitchen. Literally, 10 - 15 times a night I'll hear her tags clanking from the kitchen area and I'll go in there and tell her to get out. She gets punished nearly every evening (being sent outside) and she damn well knows the kitchen is off-limits because as soon as she hears my chair squeak she comes bolting out of the kitchen.
I asked a trainer about it and she said, "She a puppy and she's testing your limits like a teenager would. She's seeing whether or not you'll just give up." So, I'm starting to wonder whether or not if she got a zap instead of just sent outside if she would learn that I'm not giving up a lot quicker.
I finally broke down and bought one of the reverse spike collars just because I couldn't figure out a way to stop her from choking herself. First day, first walk, she pulled a few times and got the spikes in her neck and stopped pulling on the leash. She walked like she had been trained by a pro. Once or twice over the next few days she would bolt off after something and catch the spikes in her neck and yelp but other than those handful of incidents, she has not had any problems walking since then.
And she's still excited as hell to go walking. As soon as you say the word "walk" she goes right to the leash and starts wagging her tail and whining in excitement.
I can't say if shock collars are a good idea because I've never used one. But I was one of those people who believed in only positive reinforcement until I saw the results I got with the spiked collar. I still mostly still believe in positive reinforcement but I'm not as die-hard about it as I once was.
I've even thought about getting one because she refuses to stay out of the kitchen. Literally, 10 - 15 times a night I'll hear her tags clanking from the kitchen area and I'll go in there and tell her to get out. She gets punished nearly every evening (being sent outside) and she damn well knows the kitchen is off-limits because as soon as she hears my chair squeak she comes bolting out of the kitchen.
I asked a trainer about it and she said, "She a puppy and she's testing your limits like a teenager would. She's seeing whether or not you'll just give up." So, I'm starting to wonder whether or not if she got a zap instead of just sent outside if she would learn that I'm not giving up a lot quicker.
I have a bark collar on my dog (so when I'm gone over night he doesn't wake the town), but other than that just patience - of course, the only things I felt I needed to train him on was not to leave our property, sit, understand no, don't pee on the carpet when in the house (outdoor dog mostly), and come on command. Other than that I don't really care, he's a dog and should get to chase my cat and my wife's Pomeranian.
At a low setting when everything else doesn't work they're not bad. Yeah, if you're a dick it can hurt them, but if you can find a setting they'll respond to and doesn't hurt you then I don't see the issue with it. You should never use a setting on your dog that you haven't first used on yourself.
If it's on the correct setting it's more of a tickle than anything. It startles them into stopping doing whatever it was they're doing.
I got one as a last resort as well, because my dog flat out wouldn't listen no matter what and I didn't like the idea of beating the dog to get my point across. It worked great at a low setting and was really effective without hurting her.
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Fuck that. Of course they're effective. How about I put a shock collar on you as powerful as a tazor gun, and send a good jolt of electricity through your body every time you do something that displeases me?
Do what you'd do with a kid. Ground him. Got a spare bedroom in the house? Shove him in there for 30 - 60 mins when he does something he shouldn't. Just make sure he knows why he's being grounded (eg. show him the plant or remote control he chewed to hell before shoving him in the room).
And the most important thing, give him loads of love. That's what turns him into a good dog more than anything else.
You own a dog? You know anything about shock collars, or are you just assuming based on the name of the product that it's inhumane and torturous?
It doesn't do shit.*
*It will do shit if it's a tiny dog and the shock collar is intended for elephants.
Own a dog, have never owned a shock collar. Anything that could hurt the dog shouldn't be used, bad behaviour can be corrected without fancy collars.
Wtf, that sounds inhumane.
My dog used to do the exact same thing (she's bigger though, German Shepherd/Poodle/Vet reckons about 15 other breeds cross - mainly the German Shepherd though.) All it takes is proper correction, a tug of the lead whenever she walks in front of you, and stopping there and then and making them sit. It also sounds like it wasn't calm enough before the walk. Also, when you say reach the end of the leash, you're not talking about one of those 25m ones are you? You should be using a short, non-extending lead, until they're always walking to heel and have good recall and obedience.
Get a harness if your dog tugs on the leash. The leash attaches just above the shoulders and they don't get enough leverage to drag you at all.
Labs are big goobers when they're puppies, that's natural. Just gotta get the obedience down.
My girlfriends brother got a collar with spikes as a first step in training his puppy, and he's a fucking idiot. Feel free to be just like him, I don't give a shit. But it's retarded.
Labs are big goobers when they're puppies, that's natural. Just gotta get the obedience down.
My girlfriends brother got a collar with spikes as a first step in training his puppy, and he's a fucking idiot. Feel free to be just like him, I don't give a shit. But it's retarded.
That's the thing. How far do you take the training though?
For example, with the OPs barking issue, it's more than likely just because the dog is scared. 7 months old, so still learning the world around him, and is naturally more scared and defensive than he needs to be. He probably will be for another 6 months too, but it will naturally pass as he realizes things aren't quite that scary, and there's no need to get that defensive.
So what do you do during that six months? Choke him, send jolts of electricity through him? Won't that probably leave him with long-term ill effects though? Obviously you let him know it's unacceptable, and take him over to whatever he's barking at to show him it's nothing to be scared of, but that's not going to change his natural instincts. A shock collar definitely will though.
So how far do you go with training? I don't know myself. I have two 40kg mutts myself, and they're both great dogs now, but same thing with both. Cute little pups, who then turned into shitheads, then matured and turned into awesome dogs.
Uhh my dogs get timeout if they don't stop. They fucking hate the bathroom (where baths happen) or put them in the crate for 15 min each time they bark and won't stop after you've said "that's enough" (my trigger word for timeout). After getting sent to timeout, they react to "that's enough" most of the time.
You really have to have a designated word though for each command, or a hand gesture. Dogs can learn consequences if it's immediately after the good or bad behavior. Yelling at the dog to stfu in a different manner each time doesn't teach them anything. And not getting off your ass to put them in timeout right when it happens doesn't work either.
Fuck my dogs can spell p.a.r.k and t.r.e.a.t. They go nuts if you spell out either.
Also they mellow down at around 2 years old usually. Don't get a puppy if you're a lazy bitch. If they chew shit, put them in the crate while you're gone, if they aren't potty trained you have to crate them, take them outside right when you let them out, then let them free in the house.
So many faggots get a dog, chain it outside, and wonder why it's hyperactive or some shit, then from the start they use spikes or shock collars. Faggots.
Also walking your dog or taking it out where it can run (even here in Seattle we have dog parks everywhere) they burn a lot of energy and are calmer at home.
My fluffy brown dog was wild when I got her, terrified of all people, turning her loose in the house she would hide in the closet. Going camping she'd crawl under the truck the entire time, even out in the forest. Now she's fine.
I agree with a lot of what you've said, but I thought I remember reading that using the crate as a form of punishment was a bad idea?
Just make sure you cup the balls and the dog will be fine.
And for the guy giving his dog acupuncture... really lol? A 10 cent slug from Walmart will take care of the problem.
And for the guy giving his dog acupuncture... really lol? A 10 cent slug from Walmart will take care of the problem.
This guy needs the whole first season.
Caeser is a broken record with dogs, and he's right. They simple creatures and it's all about the walk.
You have a high energy lab, I know my bro has a chesapeake lab.
For him, back yards suck, they're just a big kennel and your dog is going nuts. Walk him until his tongue hits the ground in the mornings .. you'll have a peaceful day from there.
Agree with this. I walk my dogs (3) every morning and they knock out for the next 6 or 7 hours. You get a decent workout and time to concentrated on work.
Labs are very energetic and require alot of exercise. Spend an hour a day on training, 30 minute sessions each time. Shock collars can make a dog crazy later on and damage him mentally. He can turn into a biter when a stanger goes to pet him. There are other collars that send out a massage and are very effective to alert the dog that you are requiring his attention. Seriously, watch dog whisperer and be consistent.