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WickedJoe said:
After tons and tons.. and tons of research she decided to go 100% raw meat with the bones still in (not cooked).
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Do you happen to have any of this research? Because after a few hours of digging around, I found that raw meat diets are at best inconclusive. I haven't been able to find any scientific evidence that the BARF diet is healthy and safe for dogs. I also haven't been able to find any evidence that raw meat doesn't pose a bacterial risk to dogs.
 


What's the big fucking deal? Or is your human food too good for a "dumb dog"? Tool.
 
WickedJoe said:
My GF is a fanatic about our dog's health. After tons and tons.. and tons of research she decided to go 100% raw meat with the bones still in (not cooked). After 7 yrs the vet says he's the healthiest lab he's ever seen. He's also not a grotesquely fat fuck of a lab like most other labs out there - even though he is the brawny lab type not the field lab type. Labs like to EAT if you didn't know - the get fat easily.

Ok, so the dude loves pizza crusts so we give him that now and then.

If you feed a dog 'Old Roy' from Walmart you probably don't deserve your dog.
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Where do you get/how do you store your raw meat bro? Freeze/thaw?
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
Do you happen to have any of this research? Because after a few hours of digging around, I found that raw meat diets are at best inconclusive. I haven't been able to find any scientific evidence that the BARF diet is healthy and safe for dogs. I also haven't been able to find any evidence that raw meat doesn't pose a bacterial risk to dogs.
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Isn't that what dogs were eating before we were grinding up hooves and innards and mixing them with sawdust and selling it as dog food?
 
kingofsp said:
Isn't that what dogs were eating before we were grinding up hooves and innards and mixing them with sawdust and selling it as dog food?
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Thank you for the informative research and sources.

There are companies that produce high quality dog food, you know.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
Well so far, real meat diet is a fail. Bought some in-bone chicken thighs and tossed it in the grass, she took a couple sniffs and walked away. Put them in her dish and same deal.

Oh well, eventually she'll get hungry.
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Anyone feeding their dog prime meat (steak, chicken thigh/breast) is missing the point. The bits of an animal we value are actually the least useful parts, nutritionally, and your dog can tell that. Try her on organ meats (kidney, liver, intestine etc) as well as bone-in meat. Also, avoid chicken bones because they can splinter and get stuck in her throat. Lamb/beef better.

Personally, I'd cook them. The meat industry is great at introducing contaminants into food.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
Am I the only one that refuses to feed my dog any human food?

As a puppy, I'd yell at her (not like a psycho) if she even sniffed at my plate. As a result, she never once begged for food, and I could even drop food on the ground in front of her and she wouldn't even sniff it.

But holy shit, getting other people to respect that is literally impossible. They'll ask me if they can feed her their scraps, which I politely reply by saying no, I don't give her any human food. Only dog food and dog treats by the plenty. But I've caught at least 5 people sneaking her food, and I'm sure there have been more.

With me, she'll still be on her best behavior. But now she's starting to beg other people for food, and she annoyingly begs the one's that have fed her. I've told my grandma at least 10 times not to feed her, yet every time she comes over she asks if she can. I say no, and then 2 minutes later Penny waltzes in the room licking her lips.

Why can't other people not only respect my wishes with my dog, but understand that it's for the benefit of the dog's health and behavior? Am I just a nazi?
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Also, I have a similar problem with people giving my kid sweets. We've brought her up to drink water and eat fruit, which she loves. But people are continually trying to give her fucking juice and lollipops. FFFFFUUUUU... I've taken to just telling them she's allergic to it. Sometimes they still don't seem to get it, so I have to discretely intercept them and throw it in the bin (yeah, I know once she's 4 I'll lose the ability to do this, but I hope to have some solid eating habits programmed into her so deeply she'll stick to an ok diet by then)
 
amateursurgeon said:
Also, I have a similar problem with people giving my kid sweets. We've brought her up to drink water and eat fruit, which she loves. But people are continually trying to give her fucking juice and lollipops. FFFFFUUUUU... I've taken to just telling them she's allergic to it. Sometimes they still don't seem to get it, so I have to discretely intercept them and throw it in the bin (yeah, I know once she's 4 I'll lose the ability to do this, but I hope to have some solid eating habits programmed into her so deeply she'll stick to an ok diet by then)
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Teach her to cry very loudly, stamp her feet and scream "No mommy said that's very bad" everytime someone offers her candy


#pewep'spermanentsolutions
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
Do you happen to have any of this research? Because after a few hours of digging around, I found that raw meat diets are at best inconclusive. I haven't been able to find any scientific evidence that the BARF diet is healthy and safe for dogs. I also haven't been able to find any evidence that raw meat doesn't pose a bacterial risk to dogs.
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Here's are a few links she gave me.. and kept adding more while i was writing this lol:

Raw food for pets? / Despite warnings by veterinarians, growing numbers of dog and cat owners are serving uncooked, homemade fare - SFGate

Raw Pet Food Knowledge Base |

Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition :: healthy cat diet, making cat food, litter box, cat food, cat nutrition, cat urinary tract health

DogAware.com: Raw Dog Food Products and Resources

addressing the risk - Risk, raw feeding, and pathogens: a review

a kibble manufacturer explains pet nutrition and supports raw feeding - http://files.championpetfoods.com/ORIJEN_White_Paper.pdf

Feeding Raw is Easy AND Safe! | B-Naturals.Com Newsletter

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Raw-Dog-Food-Make-Easy/dp/1929242093]Amazon.com: Raw Dog Food: Make It Easy for You and Your Dog (9781929242092): Carina Beth Macdonald: Books[/ame]

As far as common sense proof goes.. I'd just think about what animals were eating during the hundreds of thousands of years before humans invented kibble and mass produced pet food. Humans themselves have only recently introduced so many carbs into their diet as well from agriculture.. much less animals.

Dogs are carnivores plain and simple.. yet they can get very slight amount of nutrition from grazing some plants.. but it's definitely not meant to be a primary or main source of their food.

Cats on the other hand take it even further.. they're 'obligate carnivores' meaning they can't get any nutrition at all from anything that hasn't come from an animal. So most cat kibble is usually even more worthless. Almost all kibbles have corn and shit in them.

I'd fear what some shity Chinese factory is putting in their kibble much more than some bacteria left over on some raw meat you're giving your dog. They're evolved to handle that bacteria, they're not evolved to handle lead, aflatoxin, and whatever else garbage they throw in kibble now and then. If you haven't heard of the recent tainted pet-food killings over the last decade you should really look into that.
 
Ar Scion said:
Where do you get/how do you store your raw meat bro? Freeze/thaw?
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For the dog she stores meat pieces in the freezer till needed.. then usually puts them in the fridge a bit to defrost before she gives it to them. But he also eats them completely frozen just fine - meatcicles.

If interested in it you should check out more info out there about it. There's a few good yahoo groups on it i guess. The biggest one is supposedly ran by nazis who will kick you out for even talking about kibble. The laid back one is called 'raw feeding lite' or something. Lots of good info from both groups though plus the articles i just posted before this post.

Here are those links again:

http://www.sfgate.com/pets/yourwholepet/article/Raw-food-for-pets-Despite-warnings-by-2463851.php

http://stevesrealfood.com/knowledge-base/

http://www.catinfo.org/

http://dogaware.com/diet/rawfoods.html

addressing the risk - http://www.raingoddess.com/vetmed/rawfood.html

a kibble manufacturer explains pet nutrition and supports raw feeding - http://files.championpetfoods.com/ORIJEN_White_Paper.pdf

http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/feeding-raw-is-easy-and-safe/

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Raw-Dog-Food-Make-Easy/dp/1929242093"]Amazon.com: Raw Dog Food: Make It Easy for You and Your Dog (9781929242092): Carina Beth Macdonald: Books[/ame]
 
music4mic said:
hope you have money saved for surgery and hospitalization after your dog swallows bones and it fucks up his/her intestines.
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You bet man. Been 7 yrs and our dog and millions of others are going strong on full raw with bone in (but not cooked). Keep trusting the Chinese with the health of your pet bro...
 
and I've seen a half dozen dogs die because of nasty internal issues thanks to dumbass dog owners that think they're smarter than their vets.

Plus not all dog foods are sourced in china dude. Purina for example is 99% USA sourced and made.

If you're going to feed raw though, boneless would be a safer option.
 
WickedJoe said:
You bet man. Been 7 yrs and our dog and millions of others are going strong on full raw with bone in (but not cooked). Keep trusting the Chinese with the health of your pet bro...
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I trust them with my iphone, so I'm pretty sure a little food for a fucking animal won't be the most complicated task in the world, fruitcake.
 
WickedJoe said:
Here's are a few links she gave me.. and kept adding more while i was writing this lol:

Raw food for pets? / Despite warnings by veterinarians, growing numbers of dog and cat owners are serving uncooked, homemade fare - SFGate

Raw Pet Food Knowledge Base |

Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition :: healthy cat diet, making cat food, litter box, cat food, cat nutrition, cat urinary tract health

DogAware.com: Raw Dog Food Products and Resources

addressing the risk - Risk, raw feeding, and pathogens: a review

a kibble manufacturer explains pet nutrition and supports raw feeding - http://files.championpetfoods.com/ORIJEN_White_Paper.pdf

Feeding Raw is Easy AND Safe! | B-Naturals.Com Newsletter

Amazon.com: Raw Dog Food: Make It Easy for You and Your Dog (9781929242092): Carina Beth Macdonald: Books
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Only a couple of those links actually linked to studies on the subject matter, and most of the studies were showing how contaminated commercial pet food can be. This is avoidable by buying high-quality dog food.

Out of all of those I can still see no evidence that a raw diet is healthier than a high-quality commercial beef mix. What I can gather so far is that if you are very selective with where you get the raw meat and make sure it's cleaned properly, you can minimize the risk like you can with buying higher-quality dog food.

So far, I'd personally stick with the dog food because it's much easier and as far as I can see, isn't any worse on their health.

I'd fear what some shity Chinese factory is putting in their kibble much more than some bacteria left over on some raw meat you're giving your dog. They're evolved to handle that bacteria, they're not evolved to handle lead, aflatoxin, and whatever else garbage they throw in kibble now and then. If you haven't heard of the recent tainted pet-food killings over the last decade you should really look into that.
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This can be minimized (and almost eliminated) by buying high-quality food. Also, while dogs are evolved carnivores, they are not wolves. They've gone through thousands of years of domestication and dietary changes. That's why the "Just look at how nature is" argument doesn't really hold weight with me, I'd still rather see studies.
 
Well I'm not the raw-food champion whose mission is to defend it.. just telling ya what I've seen with my own dog and some links she gave me.

If you're looking for proof-by-research good luck.. M.D.s can't even agree on the healthiest way to eat for humans (low carb, low fat, low cholesterol, veganism, whatever) much less canines. Research often favors whoever funded it go figure.. and Purina has funded most pet food research. My guess is Purina's research will show the best food costs almost nothing to make and oddly gives them some crazy ROI.
 
I was just playing. But seriously what you feed your dog is your business and your choice. You'll live with the consequences of your decisions. However when I'm over at my friend's house and we're having a barbecue/whatever I feed the dog almost constantly. Why not? It's not a huge deal to me anyway but maybe I'm mistaken.
 
pewep said:
I was just playing. But seriously what you feed your dog is your business and your choice. You'll live with the consequences of your decisions. However when I'm over at my friend's house and we're having a barbecue/whatever I feed the dog almost constantly. Why not? It's not a huge deal to me anyway but maybe I'm mistaken.
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I don't see it as a big deal as long as the person feeding them isn't feeding them shit that can make them sick or teaching them bad habits. Try teaching them tricks like sit, lay down, rollover, etc. when you do it, then how could they bitch about it? You're making them work for it and teaching them commands.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
Also, while dogs are evolved carnivores, they are not wolves. They've gone through thousands of years of domestication and dietary changes. That's why the "Just look at how nature is" argument doesn't really hold weight with me, I'd still rather see studies.
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Unless you have a little chihuahua or something, there's a good chance your dog can turn the bones in your hand into a mushy mess within seconds, due to his teeth. There's a reason for that.
 
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