England and Muslims....

apparently they have only much registered muslims. And they all like making many kids and call them the same islamic names. Is there any immigration statistic?
It also can be so because of the variety of the names that the rest of people are giving to their kids. That means if you have a million names and all of them are different but two Mohammeds, that name will be #1. What about exact numbers?
 


That baby making news reminded me of a joke:

- What is the difference between England and yogurt?
- Yogurt has an active culture.
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Sure, but if you look at Sweden which has areas of 40-60% Muslims known as "no-go" areas, firefighters and ambulances won't enter those areas without police escorts. Clearly the people residing in those areas are handling ALL legal matters in-house.

Here's a link for those interested: ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

Still pretty amazing that they've carved out their own legal system in someone else's nation, and this was accomplished by only 4% of the population. Are we sure those are the correct numbers? Because if so, that's crazy influence in relation to their small proportional numbers.

I hate getting involved in political mixed religion debates, but I'm going to stick up for the Muslims on this one, even though everyone wants to believe that Jews (me) and Muslims hate each other. Which isn't true at all.

The name thing, well, Islam is a pretty widespread religion, so sure, I can see why its a pretty popular name. John is considered a religious Christian name. Jonathan or Jon is considered a religious Jewish name. I really don't see why people consider this such a huge threat? Most of the popular names in the world come from different religious origins. Doesn't mean that just because someone's name is Mohammed that they are a bad guy. Same goes for someone named Jesus. Does it mean he can walk on water? No. So what's the problem here? People are taking things entirely too serious.

As for the Sharia courts in the UK, guess what, there have been Jewish courts in the UK for well over 100 years now, and the same in the US. We call it the "Jewish Beit Din" (Jewish court). Even though I was raised as a religious Jew, I don't know of anyone in my family that ever went to a Jewish court to resolve anything, we always used the US court system. Actually, my mother did try it against my father, since she's religious and he's not, and he told them to go fuck themselves because both parties have to agree to be part of it, it can't be one sided, otherwise it means dick. Not saying that the Jewish Beit Din isn't legit, because it actually is, but its reserved for only those who are HARDCORE religious and the rule of thumb is that if you're dissatisfied with the ruling there, you can just go and take it up with the US courts. I know Sharia law can be scary shit, since it does favor men more so over women, according to Islamic law, but technically speaking, as long as British citizens can appeal the Sharia court system and use the UK legal system, then it shouldn't matter. I think its only reserved for those who subscribe to it. So if there is a legal issue or dispute between, say a Christian and a Muslim, they can't go to a Sharia court to settle it. They would have to go to a British court. The National/State legal system should ALWAYS super-cede over the religious one. Always. The religious court system should also only be allowed to handle minor civil disputes for people in that specific community, and have some type of protocol in place to make sure that whatever the process and judgement is, MUST go according to the laws of the land and state before the religious ones.

I wasn't alive during the Kennedy presidency, but I've been told by teachers and family folk that the big worry when Kennedy was running for president, that because he was a Catholic, he would have to do whatever the Pope says, unconditionally. That was wrong. Because he understood that while religion is important to a lot of people, the nation and law of the land is dictated over any religious law bar none.

I'm a firm believer to keep religion and politics separate, however this is something that is more of a pipe dream than anything even close to reality because of so many conflicting and diverse opinions, ideologies, religious, and political theories on how the "perfect modern society" should be governed. But hey, argue and debate away, because it will solve absolutely nothing anyway, except self manifested satisfaction or dissatisfaction.
 
As for the Sharia courts in the UK, guess what, there have been Jewish courts in the UK for well over 100 years now, and the same in the US.

Do Jewish courts condone stoning and/or hand chopping? Do they count the word of women as less?

We call it the "Jewish Beit Din" (Jewish court). Even though I was raised as a religious Jew, I don't know of anyone in my family that ever went to a Jewish court to resolve anything, we always used the US court system.

Guess what, Muslims are different.

Actually, my mother did try it against my father, since she's religious and he's not, and he told them to go fuck themselves because both parties have to agree to be part of it, it can't be one sided, otherwise it means dick.

I'm sure the Muslim woman convicted of adultery has "agreed" to be part of it and that it's not "one-sided" at all.

I'm guessing you wrote your inaccurate diatribe because I pointed out how much inordinate influence 4% of Britain's population holds over the rest of the country, and this disturbed you for some reason. Pipe dream? Hardly.
 
Simple solution, start calling white kids Muhammed, that'll fuck them up :)
 
Of course they do. English laws means nothing to many muslims. The only law they follow is gods law. Which basically means that they do whatever they want to do.
As do many non-Muslims. However, with both, if they continue doing so, they eventually get caught. (and tried, in the same court as everyone else.)

apparently they have only much registered muslims. And they all like making many kids and call them the same islamic names. Is there any immigration statistic?
It also can be so because of the variety of the names that the rest of people are giving to their kids. That means if you have a million names and all of them are different but two Mohammeds, that name will be #1. What about exact numbers?
Please don't pretend you're from Toronto.
That baby making news reminded me of a joke:

- What is the difference between England and yogurt?
- Yogurt has an active culture.
(c)
No clue where you're really from, and, even though I know you're trolling, I'll rise to it. We've got an active culture, thanks. I can't compare, because I have no idea of where you're from.
Do Jewish courts condone stoning and/or hand chopping? Do they count the word of women as less?



Guess what, Muslims are different.



I'm sure the Muslim woman convicted of adultery has "agreed" to be part of it and that it's not "one-sided" at all.

I'm guessing you wrote your inaccurate diatribe because I pointed out how much inordinate influence 4% of Britain's population holds over the rest of the country, and this disturbed you for some reason. Pipe dream? Hardly.
What? When was the last time English courts allowed stoning/hand-chopping? There are a lot of nasty things in the Bible, too, doesn't mean the majority of Christians agree with them.
 
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even though everyone wants to believe that Jews (me) and Muslims hate each other. Which isn't true at all.

Dear Muslim friends,
Thanks for making it rain those katiuska rockets, we had a blast.
We'll send you some white phosphorus bombs hoping they will make you all explode with joy.
With love,
Random Jewish school girls

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lol... anyone remember that British teacher in Sudan a couple of years ago who let the children suggest names for the class teddy, and they chose Muhammad. The authorities were going to publicly whip her for that. Luckily the embassy intervened and she just lost her job and was deported. I think the blasphemous teddy still got whipped though.

All religionists are fucking nut jobs. Hopefully there will come a day soon when these ignorant people will be too embarrassed and afraid to make their superstitions known in public. As opposed to what we have now: people parading their religious delusions around like it's some kind of asset.

It's a historical disgrace that religion is still prevalent in the 21st century. I'm ashamed to be living in an era where religious dogma is allowed to co-exist with the largest technological and societal changes in human history.
 
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Do Jewish courts condone stoning and/or hand chopping? Do they count the word of women as less?



Guess what, Muslims are different.



I'm sure the Muslim woman convicted of adultery has "agreed" to be part of it and that it's not "one-sided" at all.

I'm guessing you wrote your inaccurate diatribe because I pointed out how much inordinate influence 4% of Britain's population holds over the rest of the country, and this disturbed you for some reason. Pipe dream? Hardly.

Influence? Resisting influence from the majority doesn't mean you're influencing them. The only way I'm influenced by Muslims is the minute concern that I might get blown up next time I step on a bus.

YES a woman tried for adultry consents to it. Just as women who decide to wear the burka do so because they've made a personal (and optional) commitment to god. The law of the land will allow the woman to be treated like a normal citizen if she wants to. The problem is that taking the steps to do so would conflict with her religion.

Its a perfect example of what Libertarians dream of. An opt-in community living how they want to live.
 
Influence? Resisting influence from the majority doesn't mean you're influencing them. The only way I'm influenced by Muslims is the minute concern that I might get blown up next time I step on a bus.

YES a woman tried for adultry consents to it. Just as women who decide to wear the burka do so because they've made a personal (and optional) commitment to god. The law of the land will allow the woman to be treated like a normal citizen if she wants to. The problem is that taking the steps to do so would conflict with her religion.

Its a perfect example of what Libertarians dream of. An opt-in community living how they want to live.

I don't get it, are you literally retarded? The rape epidemic in Sweden is targeted towards women who don't wear burkas. You think women are stoned to death voluntarily? Or that they live as second-class citizens voluntarily? Nobody can possibly be this stupid, but it's simply mindboggling how atheists have this vituperation against Christians, but are amazingly self-deluding when it comes to an actually dangerous theo-political system.
 
I don't get it, are you literally retarded? The rape epidemic in Sweden is targeted towards women who don't wear burkas. You think women are stoned to death voluntarily? Or that they live as second-class citizens voluntarily? Nobody can possibly be this stupid, but it's simply mindboggling how atheists have this vituperation against Christians, but are amazingly self-deluding when it comes to an actually dangerous theo-political system.
This thread, and esomark's reply, relate to Muslim influence in the UK. None of the crap you mention happens here within the rule of law.

Any 'Muslim court' decision can be over ruled by common law.
Its no different to a neighborhood group telling the bloke at no.17 to cut his hedge. If he wants to keep good standing with his neighbors, he can agree and cut his hedge, if not he can tell them to get fucked.
If they retaliate by burying him up to his waste in Clapham common and pelting him with rocks, they go to jail.

I actually share some of your views regarding the hardline section of the Muslim faith (or any hardline religious zealots) , and loathed our previous Governments pandering to 'minorities', but your random scary bullshit doesnt really help matters.
 
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Well honestly, I fail to see what this thread is about. Well so they have one name around and England seems to be catching onto it quite well actually IMHO