Eric Holder's Message To U.S. Citizens...

I swear I was just trolled softly by Cheshire.

Scared in this day and age means you're no longer stupid.

LOL, I'm not saying I'm not scared. But I'm also not throwing in the towel on the fight. I just think you tend to sensationalize things, but you're a marketer so I should expect it.

I just hate to see smart, intelligent people who know what the hell is going on just up and leave because things are getting worse. RP has more people looking at him than ever before. Fuck this year I though he might actually have a chance. When I first started taking interest in politics Ron Paul was getting like 2% of the vote on a good day.

More and more of my friends and family are "waking up" every day to see things how they really are. It's taken me nearly a decade to convince some of them, so I'm not giving up yet. It's because of people like you fighting the good fight, standing their ground and telling it like it is.

You call these people "sheeple" but these are your countrymen, your brothers and sisters. Educate them so that when the time comes they will know what they have to do.

I respect you which is why it sorta stings when I hear you just go "Fuck that." It's the reason we're in the mess we're in now. More of that apathy you just hate so much. C'mon man don't just quit, atleast go out with a bang.
 


It was just a little more than "speech."

He preached for the overthrow of the United States government and taught many terrorists including 3 of the 9/11 hijackers, the Fort Hood shooter, and the "Underwear bomber." He directly helped plan the underwear bombers attack as well. Yemini wanted him "dead or alive" for plotting to kill to foreigners. In 2009 he was promoted to "Regional Commader" for Al-Queda.

This list goes on, and on, and on since the early 90's...

So Unarmed Gunman, despite almost 20 years of evidence linking him directly to the killing of many Americans, and brainwashing young Islamic children to kill westerners, how many Americans should we sacrifice to give him a fair trial which will find him guilty anyway? Would you be willing to send your Mom, Dad, Brothers and Sisters in to capture him? What about my family? Do you care?

If there was so much overwhelming evidence, then why didn't we charge him with a crime?

I'm not even going to get into all of the errors of your post. Let's just assume every shred of it is accurate (which is a reach, since most of it isn't). If any of this were true though, shouldn't we have charged him, tried him and after he is found guilty - then executed him?

I mean for fucks sake, even bin-Laden was on the FBI's Most Wanted list and he wasn't even a US citizen, nor on US soil to have any protections offered by our Constitution. Yet this guy - who wasn't even wanted for unpaid traffic tickets, was such a threat that he had to just be killed without any due process?
 
It was just a little more than "speech."

He preached for the overthrow of the United States government and taught many terrorists including 3 of the 9/11 hijackers, the Fort Hood shooter, and the "Underwear bomber." He directly helped plan the underwear bombers attack as well. Yemini wanted him "dead or alive" for plotting to kill to foreigners. In 2009 he was promoted to "Regional Commader" for Al-Queda.
sounds like they would have had no problem convicting him then.
 
If there was so much overwhelming evidence, then why didn't we charge him with a crime?

I'm not even going to get into all of the errors of your post. Let's just assume every shred of it is accurate (which is a reach, since I don't see anything accurate in it). If any of this were true though, shouldn't we have charged him, tried him and after he is found guilty - then executed him?

I just pulled it from the Wikipedia page, removing the parts that were [citation needed]. Are you going to go in and pull him out so we can charge him? How many Americans must die to bring him to a trial? Do we wage war in Yemen to get him out?

I mean for fucks sake, even bin-Laden was on the FBI's Most Wanted list and he wasn't even a US citizen, nor on US soil to have any protections offered by our Constitution. Yet this guy - who wasn't even wanted for unpaid traffic tickets, was such a threat that he had to just be killed without any due process?
He was on the Terrorist Watch List, and The Special Designated Global Terrorist list. The United Nations Security Council placed al-Awlaki on its UN Security Council Resolution 1267 list of individuals associated with al-Qaeda. Even the Canadians shunned him, and froze his assets. The whole world turned their back on him short of a few terrorist states and organizations. He was in Yemen and even their government there wanted him dead.

Regardless, Congress approved the use of lethal force against any member of Al-Queda following the 9/11 attacks and there was no question he was an Al-Queda member.
 
Yea, I mean I don't think you're bad guy or a retard, I just think you troll and you follow some bad information. Nothing wrong with the trolling though and I don't blame you for listening to your TV. We've been trained to do that, some of us just see the bigger picture.

lol I've been given the "You watch too much network TV" insult so many times, and it always confuses me. About 2 months ago I bought a small TV to put on my desk and run CNN/FOX/MSNBC/CNBC all day to see what information the media is conveying, not to give it any credit. Prior to that, I watched 0 news networks.

I try to get most of my information from international sources or any unbiased blog/forum/etc. The media is a joke, I definitely get that.

If we follow Jefferson's definition of tyranny we made it there a long time ago. Ummm, their trying to give the prez the power to do that, did you read NDAA? Red flag dude.

Like with this instance, NDAA is just a piece of paper that got people riled up over. Obama isn't assassinating innocent Americans and he doesn't need a piece of paper to do that. The red flags are too speculative, I haven't heard a single case where innocent Americans were legally slaughtered under NDAA.

In the OP, they are referencing the presidents ability to assassinate someone even if they don't necessarily represent a clear and imminent threat. That's the difference.

It's been said here a few times before, but Obama could assassinate anybody he wants to regardless of what bullshit bill is in the constitution "allowing" it. That, and he hasn't done it at all. I don't think Obama is inherently evil and craves innocent bloodshed.

There seems to be 2 extremes to the view of the gov't: the media/masses side that will listen to whatever they're told and believe it's all done for the better of the country, and this internet/hatred side that thinks every single person in the government is evil and out to lie, kill, and scheme.

I'd like to think there's some sort of happy middle-ground to be in. NDAA is an example, the bill is clearly too loose and would potentially allow for Obama to start detaining random civvies, but it wasn't put in place for that. It was put in place as a counter-terrorism effort that's intended to keep things more secure for us. Now overall, I still disagree with NDAA because it simply doesn't seem fair to be detained without any chance of rebuttal, but I think it was designed for instances in which there is clearly no rebuttal for the person conspiring.

In reality, it does look like a power-play, but I don't think Americans would allow anybody to severely abuse it.

There are plenty of groups that focus on this. I've been part of a group that got an house rep. incumbent of 1X years thrown out office in exchange for a much better one, and got many liberty friendly local and state men/women elected.

Perhaps I'll see if there are any liberty groups in my area.

Oh and protesting works if you actually have a cause, unlike the OWS guys. Talking about it on the internet isn't bad for raising awareness, but you do have to get off your ass and act, or at least contribute financially.

While I do think it's beneficial for people to help where they can locally, the entire establishment is such a behemoth at this point that I think it'll take some sort of violent protest like the civil rights movement. The OWS people were complete pussy hipsters that simply stood in the street until they were told to leave, and then got scared away by a couple cans of pepper spray. They should have been marching outside the congress building lobbing molotov cocktails at it.

And I also agree that it's good to raise awareness about issues, but it's still annoying to see so many people acting like these bills are going to be the end of the world and the start of a Hitler regime that's set on killing innocent people. Although we are doing that in other countries. Still, I don't think you're going to see any innocent Americans killed over NDAA law.

I think the biggest problem people have is that they participate and don't see instant results so they give up.

Such is the case with most things in life.
 
I just pulled it from the Wikipedia page, removing the parts that were [citation needed].

I figured as much. My 14 year old son isn't even allowed to cite Wikipedia for school, I'm going to say maybe that shouldn't be used to justify the assassination of a US citizen.

Are you going to go in and pull him out so we can charge him? How many Americans must die to bring him to a trial? Do we wage war in Yemen to get him out?

You're missing the point. Go in and get him for what? Put him on trial for what? He was never charged with a crime, and that fact alone should tell you something. The reason we never charged him with a crime is simple - because once you are charged with a crime you have a right to have the evidence against you presented so you can refute it. You can also turn yourself in if you're charged with a crime. Try turning yourself in if you're placed on a hit list and see what happens.

He was on the Terrorist Watch List, and The Special Designated Global Terrorist list. The United Nations Security Council placed al-Awlaki on its UN Security Council Resolution 1267 list of individuals associated with al-Qaeda. Even the Canadians shunned him, and froze his assets. The whole world turned their back on him short of a few terrorist states and organizations. He was in Yemen and even their government there wanted him dead.

I'm sure I'm on all kinds of watchlists. I've donated money to Ron Paul. I have a criminal record. I have "interesting" reading habits that the government may not like. I want the existing power structure overthrown (albeit from within) because it is corrupt to its core. Perhaps they should send a drone my way too?

Regardless, Congress approved the use of lethal force against any member of Al-Queda following the 9/11 attacks and there was no question he was an Al-Queda member.

Our government has falsely accused a shitload of people for all kinds of crimes, including being members of al-Qaeda and helping terrorists. The whole point of a trial is so that the allegations against you have to be proven. Without a trial, what protections do we have against false or incorrect allegations? You can't undo an assassination.
 
Growing up, I always wondered how people could allow leaders like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc to get away with the shit they did. I always assumed shit like that could never happen here. Yet history has taught some of you motherfuckers nothing. You will justify any action taken by the State, simply because it was taken by the State. People like you (and Sup3rnova and the rest of your kind) are the reason such brutality is able to continue in the name of the State.

Again with the accusations. I didn't vote Obama into office, I never told anybody to vote Obama into office, and I've never been pro-war. I think what we're doing around the world is heinous and regardless of intentions, fighting violence with more violence only creates more violence.

In the case of Al-Awlaki, he trained terrorists to kill innocent people. Or is that statement wrong? If it's accurate, how is it brutal to kill him?
 
this thread needs some brown brown in it

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiNw2qQ2EDg]Lord Of War Brown Brown scene - YouTube[/ame]
 
In the case of Al-Awlaki, he trained terrorists to kill innocent people. Or is that statement wrong? If it's accurate, how is it brutal to kill him?

Have you seen or heard any evidence to support that? Maybe he was the next bin-Laden and a horrible human being that deserved to die, but we'll never know.

Isn't that the whole point of a trial? If someone accused you of a crime, wouldn't you like the opportunity to defend yourself? If someone accused you of distributing sexual materials to minors because you dickrolled some kid on Wickedfire, should we just toss your ass in prison? You did make MakeMoniesOnline.com didn't you? Should we just make you register as a sex offender without giving you a chance to defend yourself?
 
How many people have you talked with on the subject? Other than your close, politically aligned friends? No one I talk to wants to get into another bloody war with some foreign country. Just because a Politician spews some shit at a podium as a "selling point" for his campaign doesn't mean people agree with it.


Unfortunately a lot more than you think. The number one reason Ron Paul got so little traction (well besides the media fucking him over) was his views on Iran and what we are doing overseas. A lot of republicans who like all his other libertarian ideas can just not get over the fact that he does not think we should be killing off all the Muslims.

A large portion of the Christians in this country are in Crusades mode and though most will not come right out and say so would be very happy with us going over there and killing every single Muslim in the Middle East.

Now is this a Majority of the population in this country? No but is it a majority of the republican party and a good portion of the overall population. Add in the fact that the anti-war segment of the democratic party is all but silent because Obama is president and you have a country where the call for more war is pretty much the only song you hear.

I actually blame the anti-war democrats for this more than the war mongers. The war mongers at least are consistent and calling for what they believe in. The anti-war crowd who was so loud when Bush was in office that Obama ran as the anti-war candidate and won has completely let Obama break all his promises regarding bringing our troops home and let him start more wars without any noise or protest whatsoever.

Apparently they think it is OK to kill all the little brown people as long as a democrat is in charge, the hypocrisy of that just amazes and disgusts me.

Honestly though I think you are way to optimistic when it comes to waking up the country to what is really going on. I used to beat that drum a lot and for the most part people just do not want to hear it. Add to that the fact that a large portion of the populace is now dependent on the Govt in one way or the other and you do not really have any chance of getting a large enough portion of Americans to do anything. I gave up trying to convince people years ago and just decided to make sure that I was in a position to take care of my family when the system goes belly up. Picked a good spot and moved out here to the woods 15 years ago and started getting prepared.
 
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I figured as much. My 14 year old son isn't even allowed to cite Wikipedia for school, I'm going to say maybe that shouldn't be used to justify the assassination of a US citizen.

Fair enough.

You're missing the point. Go in and get him for what? Put him on trial for what? He was never charged with a crime, and that fact alone should tell you something. The reason we never charged him with a crime is simple - because once you are charged with a crime you have a right to have the evidence against you presented so you can refute it. You can also turn yourself in if you're charged with a crime. Try turning yourself in if you're placed on a hit list and see what happens.
The reason he was never charged with a crime was because he was a member of Al-Queda. Enemy combatants don't get trials, they get bullets.

I'm sure I'm on all kinds of watchlists. I've donated money to Ron Paul. I have a criminal record. I have "interesting" reading habits that the government may not like. I want the existing power structure overthrown (albeit from within) because it is corrupt to its core. Perhaps they should send a drone my way too?
Do you incite violence? Do you consistently plot and plan with known terrorists to overthrow the Government? Do you call for your Christian brothers to take up arms and kill all the non-Christians in the world? Do you WRITE books and preach sermons where tens of thousands of people attend to hear you? Do you tell small children that Allah wants you to kill people when you are older? Do you have your own private militia that you use to carry out your dealings? Is your name in other known terrorists Rolodex? Have you repeatedly championed for the genocide of an entire country or religeon? Are you a known member of a terrorist organization repsonsible for thousands of American, Briton, French, Canadian, and Australian lives?

If yes to all those things then you might want to move underground. You are an .... yep. An Enemy Combatant now. Otherwise I doubt you're in any serious jeopardy. Just to be sure though peek out your window and see if there are any Vans parked on your street.

Our government has falsely accused a shitload of people for all kinds of crimes, including being members of al-Qaeda and helping terrorists. The whole point of a trial is so that the allegations against you have to be proven. Without a trial, what protections do we have against false or incorrect allegations? You can't undo an assassination.
I'll agree with you here. There is no doubt the Government makes mistakes. And there is no doubt the Government is evil, but this isn't just some guy who was just accused out of the blue. We've been watching him since at least 1991 (21 years now), and as a member of Al-Queda, he is an Enemy Combatant. He's not a criminal, and therefore he does not get the same rights afforded to him.
 
Have you seen or heard any evidence to support that? Maybe he was the next bin-Laden and a horrible human being that deserved to die, but we'll never know.

It was strongly suggested that he was tied with al-Qaeda, and I don't think the government would act on misinformation when it came down to killing a US citizen.

Isn't that the whole point of a trial? If someone accused you of a crime, wouldn't you like the opportunity to defend yourself? If someone accused you of distributing sexual materials to minors because you dickrolled some kid on Wickedfire, should we just toss your ass in prison? You did make MakeMoniesOnline.com didn't you? Should we just make you register as a sex offender without giving you a chance to defend yourself?

I think comparing an online prank to international terrorism is a bit trivial.

The case with Al-Awlaki was clearly a national security threat. Now I'm not saying we should always trust that the government tells the truth about everything, but I would find it hard to believe they would assassinate somebody innocent with no due process.

The government would have the incriminating evidence so we can't see it, but it's no surprise they're not showing it to anybody. And I realize that if the evidence was there they could put him to trial and all that jazz, but the threat was imminent and it would probably be dangerous and costly (money & lives) to snag him from Yemen.
 
I'm waiting for the day they start using drones here. They have already been talking about using drones as a response to "cyber-warfare". Probably not far off from bombing "hackers" in the mainland as soon as they have drones flying overhead.

It wasn't too long ago that it was a far-fetched idea of our government using military style tanks against citizens. Now it doesn't even turn heads. No doubt there will be predator drones used against U.S citizens on U.S soil.

They already do use drones in US airspace...Under the guise of the "War On Drugs"
 
Not directed at you personally. I just find it amusing to witness the deafening silence from the liberals on Obama's out-Bushing Bush.

I mean, indefinite detention and borderline torture was bad, but Obama just decided to start assassinating US citizens. One can be undone and made right, the other can't. The fucking hypocrisy from Obama supporters is amazing.

the CIA has been assassinating/murdering people for 50+ years.
 
This is how hard he was to find:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg98w4Gy7qc"]Al Qaeda Anwar Al-Awalaki Dines With Top Brass At Pentagon - YouTube[/ame]

Your assumptions about him being some shadowy figure hiding out in Yemen for 20+ years are completely false. We could have easily arrested him and put him on trial any time we wanted to.

Do you incite violence? Do you consistently plot and plan with known terrorists to overthrow the Government? Do you call for your Christian brothers to take up arms and kill all the non-Christians in the world? Do you WRITE books and preach sermons where tens of thousands of people attend to hear you? Do you tell small children that Allah wants you to kill people when you are older? Do you have your own private militia that you use to carry out your dealings? Is your name in other known terrorists Rolodex? Have you repeatedly championed for the genocide of an entire country or religeon? Are you a known member of a terrorist organization repsonsible for thousands of American, Briton, French, Canadian, and Australian lives?

I'm not defending him, I'm defending the concept of due process. If he did those things, charge him and find him guilty.

the CIA has been assassinating/murdering people for 50+ years.

Not US citizens, and certainly not under any pretense of legality.
 
all you haters just mad that we brothas are now in power what do you expect a black man to say after over 100 years of oppression shit if i became president i would be saying the same shit

If he really cared he would legalize drugs or at least make it so you don't have to go to jail for none violent crimes. He doesn't give a fuck about you.
 
Not US citizens, and certainly not under any pretense of legality.
Legality is just a concept in your mind. "Legal" is what whoever makes and enforces the law says it is. Just like the "Constitution" is whatever the government says it is.

And there are millions of useful idiots who will kill you if you disagree.