I'd love to know whats going on in "Area ???". (place that hasn't been in the public eye for quite some time)
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I'd love to know whats going on in "Area ???". (place that hasn't been in the public eye for quite some time)
Here's a detailed take on this :
Tales from the Vault: A Second Look at Special Agent Guy Hottel (A.D. After Disclosure)
An excerpt :
"In 1950, SAC Guy Hottel may or may not have written a report to the Director of the FBI passing along some information given to him by an officer of the OSI for reasons unknown, the veracity of which is unprovable and considered the matter closed. The existence of this memo has been public information for at least three decades.
Richard Dolan co-owns that site and is one of the more level-headed researchers of a topic that attracts a lot of crazies. For anyone reading this right now, he is on the Coast to Coast radio show for next few hours.
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Tales from the Vault: A Second Look at Special Agent Guy Hottel (A.D. After Disclosure)
An excerpt :
"In 1950, SAC Guy Hottel may or may not have written a report to the Director of the FBI passing along some information given to him by an officer of the OSI for reasons unknown, the veracity of which is unprovable and considered the matter closed. The existence of this memo has been public information for at least three decades.
Richard Dolan co-owns that site and is one of the more level-headed researchers of a topic that attracts a lot of crazies. For anyone reading this right now, he is on the Coast to Coast radio show for next few hours.
Radio Stations - Coast to Coast AM
Discovery Channel Blogs winds up with the prize on this subject...
That link takes you to a fun article debunking Agent Hottel.
That link takes you to a fun article debunking Agent Hottel.
10 to 20 planets are orbiting 500 billion stars (now trillions according to new nasa discoveries) like our sun in our one galaxy the milky way, and then there are some 500 billion galaxies, why would a super intelligent civilization millions of years more advanced than us decide that we are the one planet worth visiting? and then travel millions of light years to reach us, humans are funny , we need to get over our delusional sense of importance.
i believe that life could exist else where in the universe, in nearby planets orbiting other stars there could be microbial life, maybe fish in the oceans of europa, maybe animals somewhere in an earth like exo planet, to those beings, if we ever find them, we will be the aliens, as for super intelligent civilizations, the chances of an encounter with them are slim.
i believe that life could exist else where in the universe, in nearby planets orbiting other stars there could be microbial life, maybe fish in the oceans of europa, maybe animals somewhere in an earth like exo planet, to those beings, if we ever find them, we will be the aliens, as for super intelligent civilizations, the chances of an encounter with them are slim.
You're close, but I think that if an intelligent race existed within a reasonable distance from us (as decided by them) it wouldn't be too odd for them to want to trade with us, eat us, or tour for shits and giggles. Considering the vastness of space there are only so many systems one alien race is likely to travel to.
However, the thing that really makes it unlikely is not Where they are, but WHEN their civilization rose. Our Sun formed after 10 Billion years since the big bang as far as we know, and it took us 4 more billion years to get to this point. So obviously there could have been many, many civilizations before us that rose and "moved on" somehow that we'll never know about except through archaeological evidence.
Or, we could be the early birds, and most civilizations will arise billions of trillions of years from now. Whatever it is, the timing of an alien's ascent has to match ours within a few thousand to hundred thousand years and that's just a tiny, itty bitty, almost invisible window for us to match up... They'd really have to be nearby, no matter how fast you can travel.
Earth's been had intelligent life for hundreds of millions of years. Tough pill to swallow I know but the traditional evolutionary timeline the mind control schools put on people is so very far from the truth.
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900 pages of pwnage.
How anyone can conclude that no other intelligent life exists in a universe that holds potentially hundreds of billions of earthlike planets is beyond me.
Are you incapable of detecting the letter "B"? Even if you're right the Earth's 4 Billion years could have easily swallowed that up.
-But really, hundreds of millions? Wouldn't the T-rexs 65 million years ago gobble us up?
Yeah I know. The point on the table was the amount of time likely required for intelligent life to develop. It's relevant considering the last 40,000 years of human development and what could conceivably happen over hundreds of millions of years under specific planetary circumstances.
-But really, hundreds of millions? Wouldn't the T-rexs 65 million years ago gobble us up?
Most likely yes and hunting was probably a whole different ball of wax.
Confusing. Are you saying that we got gobbled up and respawned somehow, or are you saying we hid effectively from the dinos?
Either way, the meteor that tried to move earth for a vogon hyperspace bypass 65 million years ago clearly destroyed all plant and animal life larger than a cat for decades on end... -I doubt a human could survive such a thing today with all our tech, much less in tribal state.
Three of my best friends work for different companies that have defense contracts with the govt. All of them have very high security clearance, but it's the same story. They don't actually have access to any information except what pertains to the specific project they're working on.
Not to mention the big fat secretary at the front door has some degree of security clearance as well.
I'm saying 'we' probably hunted them, they probably hunted 'us', and who knows what.
Actually I don't know what I'm saying. I'm having difficulty concentrating in the face of a 65 million year old vogon hyperspace bypass.
Time is relative, so the window can be bigger. Travel 50 years at near the speed of light and over a million earth years would pass. If a ship capable of that existed and visited earth about 3,000 years ago, then they could have traveled off in space and back for a month of time to them, but they would be landing in the present day here.
Yeah, that's so new it's practically still under construction to the Vogons!
Seriously, I check out the book and read the reviews but as much as I'd like to hear that Humans are billions of years old, I can't get past the evidence that all large, warm-blooded animals today evolved to that size from mice-like ancestors (yes, even whales) in the last 64 million years.
Or was this guy suggesting that we DID come from adam and eve, but a billion years ago instead of 6 thousand?
Advanced alien life could also live 1000x as long as us... probably more machine like than a living thing. They probably just transfer the consciousness to a new artificial body when the old one wears out or is upgraded.
So you're suggesting that aliens would want to go on a one way trip into their future and never return to a home that they'd recognize? All on a CHANCE that we haven't nuked ourselves to oblivion during the journey?
Really, there are so many problems with this argument I don't know where to begin... Don't forget that they'd be detecting 50-year-old light from us before they begin their journey, by which time we could have nuked ourselves to hell and back. That's 100 years passing for them under the best of conditions.
If we assume that no matter can travel backwards through time, or faster than the speed of light, (which so far is 99.999999999999% proven true) then every time they undertake a multi-light-year journey they'd be saying goodbye forever to everything they'd ever known. (The first Ender's Game trilogy covered this in great depth.)
Now, add to this what I was saying before, that we'd likely be mere sulfur-sucking bacteria at the time we're first picked up by their telescopes, or the entire solar system here has long since turned into a gas nebula; or even condensed into a new solar system with new planets, and you'll begin to see my point. -Even their telescopes won't find us cause we wouldn't likely currently exist.
Time is BIG. -It's the hardest thing in the universe to overcome, hands down.
The afterlife - 50 billion years of boredom.
I think the chance that an alien life form could even survive within our atmosphere is very small. It would probably require some massive terraforming - Terraforming of Mars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Having the right temperature range for aliens would also be not likely.
I think the chance that an alien life form could even survive within our atmosphere is very small. It would probably require some massive terraforming - Terraforming of Mars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Having the right temperature range for aliens would also be not likely.
The authors of that book don't put out too much theory, they mostly present facts. You can probably find summaries if you look. Electroplated gold jewelry buried in coal veins, humanlike bones hundreds of millions of years old, evidence of people coexisting with dinosaurs, footprints indicative of giant humanoids, and on and on and on.
The history of this planet is certainly not what most people think.
You're assuming a lot about both physics and et. Hyperspacial math predicts that matter can travel through time depending on where you are in hyperspace because as moxie said time is relative, both to space itself and to the number of spacial dimensions your reality contains (in our case three). It's really not right to think about time as forward and backward because it's not linear.
And science proved long ago that things move faster than the speed of light. Even quantum mechanics, which is now almost a century old, shows that entangled subatomic particles can sense and respond to one another almost instantaneously over vast distances.
Moreover, if et has had more time and/or better luck than us, they may have mastered scientific principles that allow them to manipulate three dimensional space by using energy from the vacuum or any number of other proposed megahuge energy generation techniques.
And as jenzkc said they may live for thousands of years or live indefinitely. This too would require advanced scientific knowledge of biology and programming but it is not at all out of the realm of possibility.
et may actually exist in higher dimensional space and interact with our three dimensional reality with no trouble at all. Who knows.
Long story short if et is here they're certainly not playing by the same rules we are.
Worth a browse if you're interested in this kind of stuff.
The Disclosure Project