Fight For 15

Increased minimum wage won't negatively affect me since I don't and are not planning to hire minimum wage staff for what I do. Neither should it to virtually everyone in this forum. We are in the technology sector FFS.
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You pay taxes? This affects you.

Follow the math ($$$). $15 hour minimum wage in cities for jobs where the market value of said job is $5-$6 hour = 1 of 2 results: Layoffs or closure of businesses.

Either way, you have more unskilled "labor" clogging up the unemployment lines because like it or not, if you were making minimum wage, your options for relocating to an area with a cheaper minimum wage where companies are still hiring are probably pretty limited.

Unemployment rises, taxable income falls, the government never actually produces any of the money it gives out (much to the disbelief of the common man) so they do what they do best, raising taxes on the middle class to lower upper class tax brackets.

Someone has to pay for this bullshit and it's most likely going to be us.
 


Really guys who gives a shit? These peasants will be automated, roboted, and computerized out of a job shortly after this passes. Another few years and you'll walk into a McD's and you'll place your order on a touch screen and it will come out of a chute a few minutes later.
 
that feel when you remember mcdonalds jobs were for teenagers and retired people... not to support a family
 
HostZealot said:
I think the solution would be like this:

1) Give all minimal wage protesters an obligatory test. Test their skills in understanding of the work they are doing. Not like - "I put frozen Nuggets in the oven, push that button and in 10 seconds they are ready". They must explain how this oven works, how many portions of Nuggets it can produce an hour and how many portions do said workers produce while operating this oven.

2) Ask them to describe the way this oven can break and what they should do to get it back operational ASAP. I bet their answer would be "tell a manager and sit on your arse doing nothing"

3) Ask them what they remember from the lections they were given at McDonald's career courses. I doubt anyone would remember anything or be able to repeat what they were told.

In short - let them prove they are worth $15 an hour. And if they fail, explain them in simple words that the salary they get is not a wage - is a social help to them, because they do not really earn that. And fire the dumbest ones.

The rest will make conclusions and work better - at least they will put some effort into it.
However, I cannot imagine jobs worse than minimal wage workers in McDonald's.
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Do you think it's a coincidence that the Job Centre in Edinburgh is right near the McDonalds? ;)
 
cheshire said:
Another few years and you'll walk into a McD's and you'll place your order on a touch screen and it will come out of a chute a few minutes later.
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It's already happening bro. It's the second coming of the industrial revolution.

I say, let these peasants continue to complain. They will be out of jobs completely in a few years. The only way you deserve more money is if you provide more value.

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Also in the south (and maybe other places in the US), we have this gas station chain Sheetz which also prepares and sells a wide variety of food items, and they have touch screens in all of their stores for taking orders. I like it a lot more than telling my order to someone because it's faster and more accurate.
 
potentialeight said:
Also in the south (and maybe other places in the US), we have this gas station chain Sheetz which also prepares and sells a wide variety of food items, and they have touch screens in all of their stores for taking orders. I like it a lot more than telling my order to someone because it's faster and more accurate.
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Sheetz is legit. Started in PA on one half of the state. Wawa has the Philly half (also sucks except for their bread).
 
Not sure why anyone at McDonalds would be paid 15.00 an hour? They don't really do much, I used to work at McDonalds back in the day, back end, front end, drive through, its fucking easy, all you have to do is take orders, make easy ass sandwiches, most of this shit is right in front of you now.
 
You fuckers need to take some LSD, learn what empathy is and feel what it's like to be in someone else's shoes. You've got one frame of reference and it's looking out from within your own safe little climate-controlled bubble you were lucky enough to be born in.
 
icestationzebra said:
You fuckers need to take some LSD, learn what empathy is and feel what it's like to be in someone else's shoes. You've got one frame of reference and it's looking out from within your own safe little climate-controlled bubble you were lucky enough to be born in.
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What? Go read acidie's post again. I'm pretty sure most of us have worked shit jobs before.

For a while, I was even a carpet cleaner's helper. Now there's a shit job. I didn't even get to clean the carpets, only got to help pack hoses in and move furniture around.
 
nickster said:
Still don't get why waiters aren't on at least minimum wage and why the customers have to subsidise their salaries. How did this come about?

Tips should be for service that is over and above what is generally expected of staff and they should never be obligatory or customers made to feel that they are.

Pay the staff proper wages and have customers leave reasonable tips (e.g. 10%) for service if they feel like the waiter deserves it. What's wrong with that?
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acidie said:
Something I have been pondering a lot lately.

The country I was born in actively discourages classism but the country I live in actively encourages it.

It's been an interesting insight in to how people view the world.

When I first moved, I would talk to people who would literally say things like "My family is rich, I was born with money, I'm better than most people".

This always struck me as retarded thinking, since no one has a choice in who their parents are, so essentially these people just won the genetic lottery.

But the more I look at how people behave I'm not sure that their attitude is completely retarded.

Someone in their family at some point had to have the skills and the determination to make the money their family now has, as opposed to everyone else who didn't, for whatever reason.

When people start protesting minimum wage without any thought to the consequences, I can understand why there are people who view themselves as superior and view the protestors as moronic sheeple no better than cogs in a machine.

Most people have worked a shit job some time in their life and I'm no exception.

But at no point when I worked the shit job for shit pay did I think "Let's force the company I work for to pay me more money."

The only thing I ever thought was "This job is shit, I need better skills so I don't have to do this shit job anymore."

As has already been pointed out in this thread, entry level jobs are just stepping stones, nothing more.

They are not meant to be careers and yet these people want to hold everyone accountable for their bad choices.

I'm sorry you fucked up your life and now have to work a shit job for shit pay while barely being able to pay rent, but I'll have a Big Mac with Fries and a Coke.
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i'd fuck this post.
 
scottspfd82 said:
Fun stuff...

McDonald's is all for higher minimum wages, but not on a level playing field, only with institutionalized violence on their side. Similar to why they support the Affordable Healthcare Act.

McDonald

Why? Because they can afford it. Joe's Burger can't - and killing competition with the violence of the state on their side is one of the most profitable moves they can make.

Wal-Mart is also a strong supporter.

Wal-Mart Says It Won't Oppose Increase in Minimum Wage - WSJ

But it's really no surprise, both companies thrive off of state support, they're killing competitors and thriving off of private prison labor, paying workers around .90 a day. Slave labor for those in bed with the state. Impossible barriers to entry for the surfs.

12 Mainstream Corporations Benefiting from the Prison Industrial Complex - Atlanta Blackstar

Teachers are banking on the fact that private prisons will hit their quota and imprison a high-percentage of todays kids for future slave labor. (I'm not suggesting that teachers understand this, but they're heavily invested as well as the majority of the US).

Who

I don't have time to get into details. Minimum wage kills jobs, where do those jobs go? Prison? The military? The state?

The problem here has nothing to do with "fair wages". It has to do with economic ignorance.

It's about creating lemmings that gratefully march off to become cattle to slaughter for profit. Or slaves, whether that's forced labor for non-crimes or getting "lucky" and only spending half of the year working to give the products of your labor to your murderous overlords.

All while worshipping them for "fair wages" and being the only force benevolent and capable enough to protect themselves from the cruel capitalists of the world who insist on voluntary value-for-value transactions.

I'm losing faith in humanity. My biggest worry is that the people will get exactly what they're asking for.

*TLDR it's late, I'm tired. Institutionalized violence (the state) is the problem. Voluntary trade is the solution. Corporatism (not capitalism) creates the problems I address above.
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Nice write up. Also found this...

It's Unreal That These 6 Companies Are Able to Profit From the Prison Industrial Complex This Way - Atlanta Blackstar
 
mattseh said:
Do you think it's a coincidence that the Job Centre in Edinburgh is right near the McDonalds? ;)
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I think that Mc Donald's is not a franchise for making burgers. It's a franchise for owning real estate. Just take a look - they always prefer getting the best possible slices of a pie - close to tranport, not far from the center of the city (if not directly in it), close to huge institutions where hundreds of hungry people spend their time - and they also have a delivery service.

I read Robert Kiyosaki books where he cited the words of McDonald's owner:

"I know you can make better burgers than me. But you can't make better decisions on placing your restaurants"

McDonald's can simply demolish all of their restaurants in a blink of an eye - they will still own land in thousands of cities worldwide. Very, very valuable land, with a possibility to build anything on it.

What I am saying - these protesters just put their necks into hanging ropes, as they already depend solely on company managers' good will.

Let's not forget of automation, too. They will lose their jobs in a few years in any case.
 
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