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[erifdekciw]

Interested to know if anyone out there has actually made the switch and is profiting. And when I mean making the switching. Im talking you made a page thats pretty much 100% compliant.

And no... changing the news logo on the top of your farticle site isn't being compliant.

 

[D.T.F.]

The problem isn't rebills but the false advertising that's used to push these offers. The $80 charge just makes it obviously a scam.

FTC IF YOURE READING JUST SUE THE AD NETWORKS FOR FUCKS SAKE AND THIS SHIT WILL STOP

What's considered false then?

Have you heard of this "6 second ab" machine it get's you RIPPED AS FUCK ABS IN JUST 6 SECONDS PER DAY!!!1
As part of a calorie controlled diet. Results not typical. You have to follow all the documentation precisely or it will not work. You will not look like any of these people. The actual workout is 1.5hrs long lol(not 6 seconds as implied). Thanks for your monies

The actors never say anything about eating a calorie controlled diet in the video. It's always put in the small print so that more time is available for selling the product(which happens to use big muscly guys that have been working out for years, and fitness models that have been in magazines etc)

I'm pretty damn sure they guy in the advert didn't get his abs from that machine. But the advert implies it. So why is that allowed?

It's more of the copyright thing I think. Using someone else's image(an actual news reader who is on tv lmao), saying she did a report on it and fake comments that back up the fake newsreaders story...To get the reader to believe. But how is that different from showing slim/ripped people in a tv ad? The machine didn't make them lose 4000 inches off their waist........... Maybe it's because we're not a registered news site lol? And it's the authority that a news site has in a psychological sense...that must be it right? It can't be the product, cause there's thousands of belly busting products out there.

 

[-joe-]

I've seen them in the stores in the US. Not much but I've seen them

Yeah, it's probably quite speciality though atm? Just wait till say best buy gets hold of it and starts advertising on adwords...

It was sold before the big Acai rebill party, Joe. In mid '08 most ads on Google for Acai, in the UK at least, were from the health food shops. Back then I used to run the only UK Acai offer I could find, through eAdvertising, and had hardly any competition (1 person). It's only now that because most rebill shit is dead, the original ads are back competing again.

Still though, when I used to see them in the rebill era, I thought they were charging like £30? I've definitely seen them in holland & barratt before for that much.

 

[mkrongel]

Interested to know if anyone out there has actually made the switch and is profiting. And when I mean making the switching. Im talking you made a page thats pretty much 100% compliant.

And no... changing the news logo on the top of your farticle site isn't being compliant.

Yes. They convert maybe 70% - 80% of what the current false pages convert at, could work if the bids werent inflated by the aggressive creative in those spots where its allowed, where its not allowed it works.

 

[miketpowell]

What's considered false then?

Have you heard of this "6 second ab" machine it get's you RIPPED AS FUCK ABS IN JUST 6 SECONDS PER DAY!!!1
As part of a calorie controlled diet. Results not typical. You have to follow all the documentation precisely or it will not work. You will not look like any of these people. The actual workout is 1.5hrs long lol(not 6 seconds as implied). Thanks for your monies

The actors never say anything about eating a calorie controlled diet in the video. It's always put in the small print so that more time is available for selling the product(which happens to use big muscly guys that have been working out for years, and fitness models that have been in magazines etc)

I'm pretty damn sure they guy in the advert didn't get his abs from that machine. But the advert implies it. So why is that allowed?

It's more of the copyright thing I think. Using someone else's image(an actual news reader who is on tv lmao), saying she did a report on it and fake comments that back up the fake newsreaders story...To get the reader to believe. But how is that different from showing slim/ripped people in a tv ad? The machine didn't make them lose 4000 inches off their waist........... Maybe it's because we're not a registered news site lol? And it's the authority that a news site has in a psychological sense...that must be it right? It can't be the product, cause there's thousands of belly busting products out there.

Because this all comes down to complaints to the FTC. If something you do generates a ton of complaints they will find a way to claim what you are doing is wrong. You could be doing damn near anything but if no one complains you are pretty safe. You could also think you are 100% compliant and have all legal work to back it up - if there are tons of complaints they will find a way to screw you.

It's a government agency - they would sit on their ass's and do nothing all day if they could because they get paid just the same. They just react when the public starts demanding they take action on something.

 

[UbanUte]

exactly, rebills are not the problem here people. it's how they're advertised. Rebills will always have more complaints, but if everything is done legit...no problems except refunds and chargebacks.

It's a combination of how they are advertised and the damage that has already been done. It is soon going to be IMPOSSIBLE to process credit cards for continuity. There are hundreds of processors, DAILY, who are changing their platforms to host the 2nd submit page which we all know would kill our ability run CPA programs. It's becoming a needle in a hay stack finding processing for continuity that will allow independent hosting of the submit page.

MC is becoming more aggressive than ever finding ANY way to fine a merchant. CB rates are impossible to keep under 2% with a continuity program if the charging lasts more than 3 months, which is where the real meat is after paying high CPA's and CRM fees. More legislation on the table to "protect" the consumers right to lengthen the time a customer can run a CB.

It's fact, actually it's becoming the natural order of things and it's called change. And there is no control to stop it, only adapt to it. "Yes we can" now rings "yes, we are FUCKED".

 

[UbanUte]

Oh, and is it just me? Or does it seem the only sites changing or going down are weight loss related? BizOp and Skin care still seems going strong on consumer7newsblah.com...

 

[DrewClement]

^^^

Patience is a virtue. The surface has just been scratched thus far.

 

[aaronklaw]

Y u no have lawyer?

 

[dowork]

Because this all comes down to complaints to the FTC. If something you do generates a ton of complaints they will find a way to claim what you are doing is wrong. You could be doing damn near anything but if no one complains you are pretty safe. You could also think you are 100% compliant and have all legal work to back it up - if there are tons of complaints they will find a way to screw you.

It's a government agency - they would sit on their ass's and do nothing all day if they could because they get paid just the same. They just react when the public starts demanding they take action on something.

If that is the case why is their not constant chaos in every product space?

Wouldn't companies just constantly send in complaints about all their competitors. Get them shut down so they take the market share.

Seems crazy you can be up to code but still get in trouble just because of a ton of complaints.

Are companies afraid of throwing rocks in a glass house. If what you said is true I would expect them all to do this...wouldn't you? Such an easy way to get rid of competition.

 

[aaronklaw]

If that is the case why is their not constant chaos in every product space?

Wouldn't companies just constantly send in complaints about all their competitors. Get them shut down so they take the market share.

Seems crazy you can be up to code but still get in trouble just because of a ton of complaints.

Are companies afraid of throwing rocks in a glass house. If what you said is true I would expect them all to do this...wouldn't you? Such an easy way to get rid of competition.

there's a difference between verifiable complaints, and ones that are competition driven. most of the time the complaints come from a fairly diverse crowd of people, albeit the common denominator of "low iq". anyway, is calling out your enemy a way to get a competitive advantage? possibly, but I'd hope the government would at least do a significant amount of due diligence before acting. The track record of the FTC is pretty good, and very rarely do they whiff.

 

[aaronklaw]

Yes. They convert maybe 70% - 80% of what the current false pages convert at, could work if the bids werent inflated by the aggressive creative in those spots where its allowed, where its not allowed it works.

interesting. give it time, the bids will come down. This is one of the thoughts I had when we had the introduction of ROSCA (restore online shoppers confidence act). The effects of that are slow moving, and we're only starting to see "some" enforcement of it. Give it another 6 months and you'll see a sharp drop in the bids.