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Yep... children are wonderful. They keep you young.

I know the Drug Companies made a lot of money with all those regular monthly birth control customers over the years, but the article points out the downsides to "child avoidance". Western countries are having to bring in 3rd world people to work & this is going to change the fabric of the culture.

Like I said, Germany is going to be a very different place in a few decades. Forget the busty blonde bringing you beer, women will be forced to wear those head to toe veils. I won't be around to see it, but you young people better wake up & realize you've been sold a bill of goods.
 


Amanda,

I love you. Can we not have kids together?

(Even though you're a guy, I think.)

Still, we childfree types get a uniformly bad rap for no reason at all....some of our opinions are of the "I hate fucking kids" variety and some of us are more like "Meh, why bother? Don't want 'em, that's it" opinion.

But we're always seen as evil, selfish, etc.

Like adding to the carbon footprint with your spawn is such an UNSELFISH act.

Yeah, and they're all going to grow up to find the cure for cancer. Right.
 
Grindstone said:
Sverige


Edit: Well, wikipedia says "Sweden is a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system of government" but talking to my swedish friends, it sure sounds like a socialist state.
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You're a smart, very sagacious guy. I didn't just ask that question to be a smart ass....

I get so frustrated with people who don't take the time to investigate, cold, hard facts (I'm -exing you out here) when drawing conclusions. People see what they want to see. None of it is BASED ON FACT.


Don't draw your conclusions from these random biased, partisan groups that totally have an agenda. They KNOW the average person out there will take what they say as fact and not take the time to investigate themselves.

When I want FACTS I do the following:
a) I read research from .edu or .gov sites - a site like Ultimate Research Assistant (not affiliated at all Ultimate Research Assistant) is a great "alternative search engine" - at the click of a button can pull up info directly from .org, .edu or .gov sites

b) I "carefully" read the research done by .orgs - before I ACCEPT anything as FACT, I careful hit the "about us" section of a site and check out their list of board members. If I see that they have people from ACROSS THE POLITICAL SECTION giving them 1) advice and 2) money, I am more apt to see what they say as reasonable and not the result of some pre-conceived agenda (these could be republicans, democrats, libertarians, anarchists, hell if an authoritarian has something reasonable to say I'll listen to them too...)

Let me provide you with a powerful, FACTUAL example of what I mean. Let's take your belief based on what you hear in the popular media that the Northern European countries (in this case Sverige) is Socialist....

Go over to the CIA FACTBOOK site (in this case using my method above of a .gov) we surf on to:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sw.html


Being the smart person you are, you scroll down just a little and you read:

"Economic Overview of Sweden". .....

Right SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE YOU READ:
"Privately owned firms account for about 90% of industrial output..."

should I write that again?

"Privately owned firms account for about 90% of industrial output..."

should I write that again?
"Privately owned firms account for about 90% of industrial output..."



"WAIT, THIS CAN'T BE. Somebody has been lying to me or presenting a false perception in the popular media" you gasp....

You wisely head over to:
WordNet Search - 3.0

And get an ACTUAL DEFINITION OF SOCIALISM (rather than a word that mental automatons bounce around and have no idea what it actually means)....

You read:

Noun


  • S: (n) socialism (a political theory advocating state ownership of industry)
  • S: (n) socialism, socialist economy (an economic system based on state ownership of capital)

Hmm.....what a minute? Something's going on here you gasp again! "What about what all those people running around telling us, 'if we aren't careful, we'll become like those socialist Europeans...' "?


I mean they have to be telling the truth right??????


I mean they wouldn't LIE TO ME and get me to believe that countries where PRIVATE not GOVERNMENT-OWNED FIRMS are responsible for 90% of industrial output are SOCIALIST when I know VERY WELL that the DEFINITION OF SOCIALISM IS:

AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM WHERE THE STATE OWNS THE VAST MAJORITY OF CAPITAL.....

Why would someone present a perception that has ACTUALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH:
-REAL,
-COLD HARD
-RATIONAL
-OBJECTIVE
-LOGICAL FACTS????


Well, only you can answer that (but seeing as you're an open-minded, intellectually curious guy, it only takes a second for you to investigate and come with several good reasons as to why.....)

Don't accept ANYTHING as TRUE until you investigate it yourself....

The obvious answer or popularly held view is RARELY the correct one....


This kind of mental manipulation of the masses happens everyday. Only people are so intellectually lazy and close-minded that once someone has planted an idea in their heads, they are like the sad buffoon who once proclaimed,

"Well, even if it WERE TRUE I STILL wouldn't BELIEVE IT...."

Enjoy your weekend.
 
amanda11 said:
I, for one, will not be having kids. You know why? FUCK KIDS! Get off my fucking lawn.
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You're too witty for your own good. I can see you now with kids....

"I'm hungry!!"

"Hey kid, keep your mutha fuckin' ass shut!!"

amanda11 ftw!
 
Riddar's definition of socialism is flawed. All governments are socialist, in that they collect taxes by force, and use that money to redistribute wealth.

Even the smallest, most constitutional government is inherently socialist by design. Without the task of shifting property outside their natural ownership states, there would be no purpose for government. Everyone would just pay for what they use, and mutually collaborate when it was in their best interest to do so (anarcho-capitalism). The problem with socialism isn't that poor people are ripping everyone off. It's the a class of political and social elites get to parasite as middle men for the welfare state. Socialism makes poor people less well off, because they cannot accumulate the wealth to rise in social position.

As far as Sweden, socialism is not defined by how much industry is private. Mussolini, the great economic fascist wanted private industry, working under extreme state regulation and taxation. Just because the profits are privatized, and the losses socialized, doesn't mean it's not socialism.

And of course, Sweden has taxes (violation of property rights) and regulation (pro-corporate monopoly law).

All governments are inherently socialist. To be free, you need to be free from coercion (aggressive force). As long as a government will confiscate your land and your labor (wages) by force, it is socialism.

And anyone who claims that consulting sites with .edu or .org domain extensions makes them authoritative, that was some pretty funny shit. Why not just argue that hardcover books have better stories than softcover books?
 
Kids will act like their influences.........take out the bad ones and they'll be good.

I never EVER gave my parents problems?

Why?

I was home schooled, had very few people in my life that influenced me to do wrong things. Now i'm 23 ,married with a kid on the way and doing decent financially.......

Most of those that don't want kids don't want them becuase they don't understand how to be a parent....which i guess alot of people don't understand how to be.

Personally, i'll have as many kids as I possibly can, and they will all be good kids....because I'll teach them.

I grew up with 50some kids in our homeschool group , very , very , very few got involved in drugs , no one had a kid while a teenager ,ect. Most of them run their own businesses and the like now.
 
dangregory said:
Just make sure you have at least $1 mil after tax money socked away so you can afford that $200K per child - you know, the cost of raising a child these days. Many folks fail to take that into account.
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That $200k is spread over 18 years and I'm 99% sure it's expressed in real terms (ie. including inflation). Assuming we have a similar level of inflation over the next 18 years than we did over the previous 18 (which is a bad assumption, because the world will most likely have massive inflation, but it makes the calculation easier). Each kid would cost in today's dollars, on average, around 122k over 18 years or around $6.7k per year.

Cheap at twice the price. Kids are awesome.
 
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schockergd said:
Kids will act like their influences.........take out the bad ones and they'll be good.

I never EVER gave my parents problems?

Why?

I was home schooled, had very few people in my life that influenced me to do wrong things. Now i'm 23 ,married with a kid on the way and doing decent financially.......

Most of those that don't want kids don't want them becuase they don't understand how to be a parent....which i guess alot of people don't understand how to be.

Personally, i'll have as many kids as I possibly can, and they will all be good kids....because I'll teach them.

I grew up with 50some kids in our homeschool group , very , very , very few got involved in drugs , no one had a kid while a teenager ,ect. Most of them run their own businesses and the like now.
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You had kids in early 20's how would you ever know what you want out of life. Maybe what you want is just all you were ever exposed to because you never got to go talk to other people in the world.
 
guerilla said:
All governments are inherently socialist. To be free, you need to be free from coercion (aggressive force).
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I don't agree that all conceptions of government are inherently socialist. All existing governments, sure. A proper government would exist only to prevent the initiation of force (between citizens or from outside). In other words, its only functions would be military, law enforcement, judicial, and legislative. Since the actual cost of running a government of this size would be less than 2% of current costs, voluntary donations would be more than sufficient to fund it. Since the government would only be able to fund what people are willing to pay for, it would have an inherent limitation in its power and scope which makes it truly accountable to the people it is supposed to be serving. If you want to read more about the proper conception of a non-coercive government, you should read Ayn Rand's writings on the subject.
 
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