Hellblazer
- Thread starter kidChaos
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Looking at this from the outside in, only going to comment on the layers of business ethics that I see here (and since this bomb started). I could care less re sides or who's who, no homo and no hate to either of you - I run a M board too and here's how I would see it:
I think you'd have to be a blind idiot not to view your token celebrity mod (or any mod) pushing product to the community for profit (through social engineering/priv. post/edit/delete advantage or without), as a conflict of interest. Especially if part of that product was derived from data collected here (where you try to sell it back but reversed/blocked/monthly to your 'peers'...).
It's like you gained my respect by default due to your little icon/mod status, then you pick pocket my dime and show me that others are doing it too, and ask for a dollar a month to protect my future quarters/change. Even if you were selling me bibles, as a mod I think that's buck that you have that priv.
I think you'd have to be really naive to be cool with ANYBODY acquiring your data for profit at a social and or online business collective, where the objective is not to sell and pad each other for profit, but where business does exist for the collective benefit, and then have it waived in your face like this was/is. It shouldn’t matter that it’s ‘just an IP’, or it’s an LP, or it’s your email or other identifier, it’s a piece of the product… Product quality and price points are also irrelevant here, that's secondary. I think the core issue, which I agree with, is someone at the top with priv. is selling something to many underneath him within the group with advantage, and with data/portion of the product acquired, engineered and taken from the very people you’re selling to. The data+being a mod+being able to sell to the community with immunity combo, is def. something I'd be concerned about, and not allow. All the extra shit and 10 threads is a bunch of WTF not business. No respect gained/lost other than thinking to myself 'yep, only at WF' click the x come back later...
Next thing you know all the mods will soon have the most uber guber products selling them to everyone else here with padding and polished reviews from their alumni, while editing posts/threads that say otherwise... Dunno, was never big on boards where people sell shit to each other through these methods and allow xx threads to continue like a soap - isn't that the other WF? Don't you guys always beat the shit out of that forum for this? This is different how? At least they smile while trying to sell you shit?
If this many people and threads bashed me/my product or my current stance and ways as a leader among a group, I would def. bow out and then peddle my wares full force in other ways, or keep mod status and stop the prod promotion here altogether, or pay for it like most merchants (not with time/modding/favors) and allow the public to be critical without edits. I can only imagine how many people 'aren't' speaking up because of the ways of this place.
If the forum owner (president) has a product(s), that's one thing, but if the mods (or political parties) have these powers too, you start to be viewed as an al gore, and or being awarded a loose no bid no conflict contract to peddle remorcelessly to your own kind, and your readers (citizens) are the suckers here buying blindly because they are defaulted to trust and look up to you (whether your product is sliced bread or shit is irrelevant imo).
Sorry if opinions expressed touch nerves with any other mods. I also think if the person is setting up an aff program while peddling that product to the group, and has no out of pocket cost for the product (small bandwidth/software), you should give your products to all your affiliates (whom you hope to make you millionz) for free, not just the bigmouths/outreach. And give your peers here a hefty discount not available anywhere else..
.02 (post saved incase it gets edited because I might have said something too..?. . ...).
I think you'd have to be a blind idiot not to view your token celebrity mod (or any mod) pushing product to the community for profit (through social engineering/priv. post/edit/delete advantage or without), as a conflict of interest. Especially if part of that product was derived from data collected here (where you try to sell it back but reversed/blocked/monthly to your 'peers'...).
It's like you gained my respect by default due to your little icon/mod status, then you pick pocket my dime and show me that others are doing it too, and ask for a dollar a month to protect my future quarters/change. Even if you were selling me bibles, as a mod I think that's buck that you have that priv.
I think you'd have to be really naive to be cool with ANYBODY acquiring your data for profit at a social and or online business collective, where the objective is not to sell and pad each other for profit, but where business does exist for the collective benefit, and then have it waived in your face like this was/is. It shouldn’t matter that it’s ‘just an IP’, or it’s an LP, or it’s your email or other identifier, it’s a piece of the product… Product quality and price points are also irrelevant here, that's secondary. I think the core issue, which I agree with, is someone at the top with priv. is selling something to many underneath him within the group with advantage, and with data/portion of the product acquired, engineered and taken from the very people you’re selling to. The data+being a mod+being able to sell to the community with immunity combo, is def. something I'd be concerned about, and not allow. All the extra shit and 10 threads is a bunch of WTF not business. No respect gained/lost other than thinking to myself 'yep, only at WF' click the x come back later...
Next thing you know all the mods will soon have the most uber guber products selling them to everyone else here with padding and polished reviews from their alumni, while editing posts/threads that say otherwise... Dunno, was never big on boards where people sell shit to each other through these methods and allow xx threads to continue like a soap - isn't that the other WF? Don't you guys always beat the shit out of that forum for this? This is different how? At least they smile while trying to sell you shit?
If this many people and threads bashed me/my product or my current stance and ways as a leader among a group, I would def. bow out and then peddle my wares full force in other ways, or keep mod status and stop the prod promotion here altogether, or pay for it like most merchants (not with time/modding/favors) and allow the public to be critical without edits. I can only imagine how many people 'aren't' speaking up because of the ways of this place.
If the forum owner (president) has a product(s), that's one thing, but if the mods (or political parties) have these powers too, you start to be viewed as an al gore, and or being awarded a loose no bid no conflict contract to peddle remorcelessly to your own kind, and your readers (citizens) are the suckers here buying blindly because they are defaulted to trust and look up to you (whether your product is sliced bread or shit is irrelevant imo).
Sorry if opinions expressed touch nerves with any other mods. I also think if the person is setting up an aff program while peddling that product to the group, and has no out of pocket cost for the product (small bandwidth/software), you should give your products to all your affiliates (whom you hope to make you millionz) for free, not just the bigmouths/outreach. And give your peers here a hefty discount not available anywhere else..
.02 (post saved incase it gets edited because I might have said something too..?. . ...).
Bottom line, NickyFakes clearly shouldn't be a mod, but he's supported by the other mods. Nothing will change, they'll hunker down and wait for the storm to blow over. They thought they'd successfully gone through it until kidChaos touched off a firestorm.
Obviously people are STILL pissed about this, and for the WF establishment to sneer and pretend its all irrelevant just shows an amazing disconnect. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter, because if they continue acting like this, they'll end up driving people away.
The disgusting establishment cronyism that was revealed in this saga has left a sour taste in the mouths of MANY wickedfire members, I'm sure, and they won't soon forget it.
Obviously people are STILL pissed about this, and for the WF establishment to sneer and pretend its all irrelevant just shows an amazing disconnect. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter, because if they continue acting like this, they'll end up driving people away.
The disgusting establishment cronyism that was revealed in this saga has left a sour taste in the mouths of MANY wickedfire members, I'm sure, and they won't soon forget it.
Change wf members to Americans and you just nailed the current state of the union.
o noes!! disconnect on WF!!! what shall we DO?!?!
doubt it. This forum has amazing information, a very closely nit community, lots of friends, and the top minds in the industry.. it's only moving in a direction of growth.. just look at the past 6 months rankings.
Your constant defence of Nick is admirable as a friend but doesn't sit too well with those pissed/concerned of the direction this whole situation has taken the forum.
If you and hellblazer are crying about it, then mission accomplished in my book.
A++++++++++++ WOULD DO AGAIN
