I think if you say the word 'cry' a couple hundred more times, people might believe it. Don't give up!
Hellblazer
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I think if you say the word 'cry' a couple hundred more times, people might believe it. Don't give up!
I commend this thread for its fine job in displaying the top nominations for the Butt Hurt Member of the Year award.
Everyone is against you and the rest of your wanna-be antiestablishment emo fag clown gang.
Controlling conspiracy against the wanna-be antiestablishment emo fag clown gang? YES!
Everyone else? NO!
We the establishment only target wanna-be antiestablishment emo fag clown gangs in our conspirings.
Wait... what happened?Everyone is against you and the rest of your wanna-be antiestablishment emo fag clown gang.
Controlling conspiracy against the wanna-be antiestablishment emo fag clown gang? YES!
And this is where I call Red Herring. You can't just say he 'abused his mod powers' because that would imply that he had powers that he abused that no one else could, yet you have all admitted, that infact at one point any member could have done it. So you keep throwing that "abused mod powers" out there and the masses go "oh noes!" knowing all the while that whatever the real reason you want him to be demodded would never fly. You (and I'm not just addressing this to uber but to everyone) may hate the guy but if you're going to convince people that a person needs to be demodded I want to see where they broke the rules and actually abused their mod powers.
Guerilla, accusing me of doing the strawman only works if we agree on the premise. You think that we should demod a guy based on ethical grounds. I believe, in a forum that relishes, even thrives on shades of grey, that that would be the ultimate slippery slope. Therefore, I think demodding should be considered on whether someone broke the rules which we have all agreed at one point or another, that this has not occurred in this instance.
coming from the guy who needed to make a thread asking for people to give him reasons to cry about his past...... gtfover yourself.
did anyone else notice this from the lplockdown video?
First I'd like to mention that I was never one to mention that Nicky should be demodded, 100% of my qualms from the start dealt specifically with LPLockdown.
The point everyone is making is still extremely clear. If Nicky (who has mod powers and mod access) is going to scrape the IPs of his peers and put it into a product to sell back to them, what else might he do? It seems a lot of members lost trust in him after that and might not be comfortable posting/hanging around here anymore.
While a lot of people are enjoying just taking useless shots at me, the majority does seem to be against Cakes in all of these arguments. You basically just acknowledged his possible unethical behavior and then supported him by using the argument that Wickedfire thrives off of being shady. A slightly troubling argument. So if we have mods that are blatantly shady with our own data, we condone these actions?
Also I'm not 100% on what actually happened, but to my knowledge putting a pixel in an image and scraping was banned from WF a while ago.
First, you came back with a claim about a red herring. The position you keep promoting is both a strawman and a red herring. It doesn't address what I have said at all. In fact, it seems to completely ignore the point I have made repeatedly, and clearly.
I never claimed he should be demodded. See, the problem is, yes, we have different premises. You must not have read my post in the LP Lockdown thread, that was made directly to you, and was re-posted by someone else here.
This is the strawman. There are a couple mods who keep pushing that people are claiming something they are not. Why? I have no idea. Forget Uber, he has low impulse control (which is typically a sign of low intelligence). He doesn't represent anyone but his own butt hurt. He certainly does not represent me.
I don't care if Nicky is a mod or not. I think it is a big tactical error on his part to be indignant and taunt people without addressing the fundamental issue folks have a problem with. That of course only matters if he is going to continue to be a public persona with his blog and possibly his service offering. If he is just going to do his own thing, then he can give the world the finger. But this bad boy businessman act only works when you are already at the top and people need your connections and capital. Not when you're building your business. But that's for him to figure out. Maybe he can be the first person to make it work, and if so, my hat is off to him.
WRT to breaking the rules, can you clarify for me whether it is acceptable to put 1x1 transparent pixels in all my posts or not? If I do so from now on will I be banned?
Stanley changed the sigs but it doesn't fundamentally address what Nicky did. Was it wrong, yes or no? If no, then I assume we can all put pixels in all of our posts from now on. If yes, then where is the accountability?
I think some folks are underestimating the intelligence of people on this forum. If there was a direct, concise and clear response, then people would mumble and grumble and it would go away.
But this "run out the clock" approach to addressing if something wrong was done or not, is encouraging the criticism to persist and to spread. That's why the threads keep popping up and more people are voicing their displeasure.
Back in the day, you could count on someone like Jon to lay it down, right or wrong, in black and white. You might not agree, but Daddy said it was bedtime and that was that.
Now, when any leadership would put much of this to rest, such leadership is absent and it's predictably chaotic around here.
And lastly, the issue isn't about shady stuff on the internet. If you do shady business, that's one thing. The community norm or set of social expectations (regardless of the rules) is that people play their games elsewhere, but game players can congregate here because people don't run those games on each other at the meeting place. That's why we call out scammers here. It's understood and doesn't need to be said.
If it was otherwise, then you would expect that I could order PM spam and forum spam blasts to be targeted at WF. But we both know that you expect me not to do that here, even if I might do it elsewhere.
No one has an issue with Nicky grabbing data from Cakes chat or his blog where he makes the rules. The issue is about doing at WF, where it still remains unclear whether what he did is acceptable or not. No one has been forthcoming about what the rules are here.
If it is acceptable, then I think you will see a lot of people doing it from now on.
I gotta do some work.
That's not a very equitable or accurate view of the guys who run this place, Stanley most of all. They bust a lot of ass behind the scenes to keep WF what it is.
I think what you mean, underneath it all, is there once was a time when Jon was more of a hardass than he is now. At the end of the day, Nick did what any of us could have done, he didn't need to be a mod to do it.
Stanley is just another guy who follows the golden rule:
He who has the gold, makes the rules.
For all who think it's a crock of shit, start your own forum, simple as that.
That is quite an assumption, isn't it? Stanley being someone who I talk to on a near daily basis and know pretty well is certainly not the kind of guy what you trying to make him out to be. I have seen him reject big-bucks ad deals just because they didn't fit in the ethical spectrum.
And, furthermore, about your assumption of him running most of the stuff here -- he is a technical wiz who doesn't really mess in the day to day running of the forum.
He usually doesn't get involved in any drama on the forum -- but I will let him know about this thread and see if he would be keen on responding here.
Don't read too much into it Lord, I didn't say he was Jesus walking on water, but he is the managing partner here, is he not? My point was totally lost on you.
To reiterate: Lots of people work hard, not just Stanley, to make this place work. If you or any other sandy vagina asshat want something different, make it yourself.
I never claimed otherwise. I have no issue with Stanley whatsoever. Seriously dude, if you want to score points, you don't need to climb my back to do it.
No, I mod and admin on other forums. I know what happens when no one steps up and addresses things heads on. This is what happens. No amount of pity or compassion will change it.
Someone (anyone) just needs to lay down clearly if embedding pixels is ok or not and I suspect the issue will go away. They could say, it was before but now it is not, so Nicky is safe, but none of you fuckers can do it from now on.
It's really as simple as that.
Strawman again...
I'd rather this get resolved so people don't. There was a good thing going on here for several years. Seems a shame to squander it.
It's easy for people to say, "love it or leave it" when they don't have a stake in the size or quality of the forum membership, but I'm hoping the people who have a stake step up and say, "here is the deal, and we want you to keep loving it"
That is smart business and it looks awesome from a credibility standpoint.
I guess at this point I'm not sure what to say. You bitch and bitch and bitch, then attack attack attack, and never offer anything that resembles a solution.
Then you have the balls to say that you just want things happy and normal, yet you're the fuckstock who is causing the rumpus.
So I suppose I'll back off and say your e-dick is bigger than mine and you're 1337 and we're not, etc.
Then you have the balls to say that you just want things happy and normal, yet you're the fuckstock who is causing the rumpus.
So I suppose I'll back off and say your e-dick is bigger than mine and you're 1337 and we're not, etc.
Care to explain where I've been wrong in any of my posts?
The only other real comments you've made (in regards to me) were the ones where everyone flipped out on me for calling out the damage control thread. Yes I called them sheep. Guess what?
Jon said:
Those are your "Daddy's" words, but I didn't see anybody having a problem with him saying it.
Really, I'm sorry for being a jackass about this whole thing (not) but anybody that defends Nicky in this argument is a jackass themselves. It just doesn't make sense, everybody on his side completely ignores every legitimate response and just comes back with some stupid personal e-insult.
EDIT : I know how hellblazer feels now.