HOLY SHIT BATMAN! Bound Delegates May Not be Bound at all!
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RP just picked up 8 out of 30 voting delegates here in Michigan yesterday plus 11 alternates. Romney clearly won the state, but Paul has been projected as getting zero here since February (on those super accurate AP delegate trackers) so getting 8 out of 30 wasn't bad. He could have won but in Michigan you couldn't vote at the county conventions unless you were already a precinct delegate in 2010. I got elected as a precinct delegate (by default) but I can't do shit until August under Michigan GOP rules.
He also cleaned up in Minnesota getting 32 out of 40 delegates. He's still on track to do some damage at the National convention, though I suspect the RNC will pull some dirty shit to ensure Romney gets the nomination. That's ok though, the party is ours in 2014 so they better steal what they can now...
He also cleaned up in Minnesota getting 32 out of 40 delegates. He's still on track to do some damage at the National convention, though I suspect the RNC will pull some dirty shit to ensure Romney gets the nomination. That's ok though, the party is ours in 2014 so they better steal what they can now...
So you want me to go and find all the youtube films, blog posts from delegates, ustream recordings, and so on I've been finding at the rate of dozens per day for over a month and link to them all for you here?
Obviously that isn't going to happen. Here's some examples that the MSM DID give us where we cleaned out the majority of delegates for the entire state:
Missouri: (100% of delegates!)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meo-hfmbqV8]Ron Paul wins the St Charles caucus do-over in Missouri - Fox2 News - YouTube[/ame]
Nevada & Maine: (Just learned today that Paul got 100% of delegates in Maine plus all of the GOP committee too! Maine is officially now a 100% libertarian GOP state!)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avwM6qzNgSk]Reality Check GOP Special: Paul is Winning! May 18th (2012-05-18) - YouTube[/ame]
RNC, Romney campaign will erect new organization to bypass state GOP - Politics: Ralston's Flash - Las Vegas Sun
Paul wins majority of delegates from Maine GOP | The Daily Caller
Iowa, Washington, Minnesota:
Ron Paul 2012 Wins Majority Of Washington Delegates To Convention, Other States Expected To Follow - International Business Times
Colorado:
Ron Paul wins Minnesota, Colorado delegates to Republican National Convention - Wilmington Elections 2012 | Examiner.com
Alaska:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQMtlah4Iec]"Ron Paul Won Minnesota & Washington State!" Rachel Maddow (THIS IS HOW WE DO IT BABY!) - YouTube[/ame]
Louisiana:
Ron Paul | Louisiana Delegates | Caucuses | The Daily Caller
Massachuesetts: (Not a win yet, but mostly a win, and this is the state Romney was Governor! Paul won 16 of 19 available so far.)
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/29/ron-paul-supported-by-16-massachusetts-delegates-says-campaign
& of course Arizona where a lot of serious shenanigans went down... At the county level every delegate was an RP supporter... But at the state convention, after all the RP delegates voted on who goes on to the next round, the ballot box's lock got conveniently broken and the establishment had to take their box in another room to store it for the night before announcing that we only got a handful of delegates the next morning!
Needless to say, that shit ain't over.
Remember, before the state conventions vote for their final delegates to go to Tampa at the end of Summer, delegates are chosen at county and district conventions first to go to state. -And we hear about these too, and over time we just keep recruiting those better and better, (Excepting for Vermont, of course) meaning that over time, states are more and more likely to be ours... And less likely to be Romney's.
....And all of those wins are just Paul people in Paul slots... I haven't yet discussed any Paul people in Romney, Newt, nor Frothy slots... Of which I assure you there are plenty.
Obviously that isn't going to happen. Here's some examples that the MSM DID give us where we cleaned out the majority of delegates for the entire state:
Missouri: (100% of delegates!)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meo-hfmbqV8]Ron Paul wins the St Charles caucus do-over in Missouri - Fox2 News - YouTube[/ame]
Nevada & Maine: (Just learned today that Paul got 100% of delegates in Maine plus all of the GOP committee too! Maine is officially now a 100% libertarian GOP state!)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avwM6qzNgSk]Reality Check GOP Special: Paul is Winning! May 18th (2012-05-18) - YouTube[/ame]
RNC, Romney campaign will erect new organization to bypass state GOP - Politics: Ralston's Flash - Las Vegas Sun
Paul wins majority of delegates from Maine GOP | The Daily Caller
Iowa, Washington, Minnesota:
Ron Paul 2012 Wins Majority Of Washington Delegates To Convention, Other States Expected To Follow - International Business Times
Colorado:
Ron Paul wins Minnesota, Colorado delegates to Republican National Convention - Wilmington Elections 2012 | Examiner.com
Alaska:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQMtlah4Iec]"Ron Paul Won Minnesota & Washington State!" Rachel Maddow (THIS IS HOW WE DO IT BABY!) - YouTube[/ame]
Louisiana:
Ron Paul | Louisiana Delegates | Caucuses | The Daily Caller
Massachuesetts: (Not a win yet, but mostly a win, and this is the state Romney was Governor! Paul won 16 of 19 available so far.)
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/29/ron-paul-supported-by-16-massachusetts-delegates-says-campaign
& of course Arizona where a lot of serious shenanigans went down... At the county level every delegate was an RP supporter... But at the state convention, after all the RP delegates voted on who goes on to the next round, the ballot box's lock got conveniently broken and the establishment had to take their box in another room to store it for the night before announcing that we only got a handful of delegates the next morning!
Needless to say, that shit ain't over.
Remember, before the state conventions vote for their final delegates to go to Tampa at the end of Summer, delegates are chosen at county and district conventions first to go to state. -And we hear about these too, and over time we just keep recruiting those better and better, (Excepting for Vermont, of course) meaning that over time, states are more and more likely to be ours... And less likely to be Romney's.
....And all of those wins are just Paul people in Paul slots... I haven't yet discussed any Paul people in Romney, Newt, nor Frothy slots... Of which I assure you there are plenty.
I don't care who Robme picks; whoever that is it could only be a poor career choice.
Paul has already said he's leaning towards Judge Napolitano. :usa:
You've got the most retarded and unfair election system in the world.
Primaries:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUS9mM8Xbbw]How the Electoral College Works - YouTube[/ame]
Real elections:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_95I_1rZiIs]Primary Elections Explained - YouTube[/ame]
Primaries:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUS9mM8Xbbw]How the Electoral College Works - YouTube[/ame]
Real elections:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_95I_1rZiIs]Primary Elections Explained - YouTube[/ame]
rofl Iwoa is stupid and doesn't matter.. World of Warcraft! I think that's the best political video I've ever seen.
I like the delegate voting scheme better than popular vote to a degree. There's ups and downs to both popular vote and the delegate voting scheme.
With only a popular vote system you'd only have people like Romney ever have a chance, because they're the ones that will always when the beauty contest. That works fine for electing a prom king and queen, but with delegates you at least have a chance to fix mass stupidity and the brain washing the MSM does on a daily basis. Think of the delegate scheme as a check to PR and stupidity.
At least some of the media is start to acknowledge Ron Paul and the fact that Romney isn't simply winning in a landslide. Now only if the Fox News cable channel would start doing stuff like reality check. Didn't Fox have a guy that started to do it then cancel him suddenly? If I remember correctly their excuse of lack of viewers.
you should check his videos on elections and best way invented yet to do it.
Politics in the Animal Kingdom - YouTube
That was proven conclusively in 2000 when the guy with the second most number of votes won and when the Supreme Court decided it wasn't necessary to finish recounting votes in Florida. I was expecting that would result in a constitutional amendment to end the electoral college by the end of the decade but was proven wrong.
I'm confused on what you're trying to say. I watched the video and I already understood what he was saying, but I'm missing what your point was. I'm not trying to be rude to you, but I really don't understand what you were getting at.
Oh, yeah his videos are pretty good. I'm going to be showing them to my oldest pretty soon. Thanks for the links.
This country was set up as a representative republic, not a democracy. The popular vote has never been relevant. Why would 2000 have changed anything?
By that argument the only people who should be allowed to vote are white male property owners. The electoral college was set up to prevent democracy, not enable it, I agree. That's also why Senators were elected by state legislatures instead of the people until 100 or so years ago. That's also why only a small minority of people were actually allowed to vote in the general elections that were held but since 1789 the US had developed into a democracy. The electoral college as it now exists is a relic from the past. It would make more sense to have direct elections with either a preferential ballot or a run-off between the top two candidates if no one gets more than 50% on the first ballot. That's the system most presidential republics, such as France, use now. Is the idea that the person who wins the votes of most Americans should be elected president really that radical and revolutionary in 2012?
Ah yes, democracy. Two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Not sure where that quote originated from, but it sums the flaws of a democracy pretty well. These guys had some kind words about democracy too:
Benjamin Franklin: When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
John Adams: Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
Thomas Jefferson: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.
James Madison: Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.
John Quincy Adams: The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.
John Adams: That the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of the history of the world.
John Witherspoon: Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state - it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.
That's why, in theory, you have a Bill of Rights to protect the rights of minorities. In any case, the real flaw in American democracy isn't that there's mob rule but that it's really more of an oligarchy which is dominated by the wealthy. The oligarchy has two parties with minor differences between them (on most issues of importance) and we have the option to vote for one set of oligarchs called Democrats or another set called Republicans. Sure, they try to differentiate themselves on so-called social issues but on economic issues the differences are marginal.
Ardent, do you realize that you're arguing against the majority of the founding fathers about the need for a republic?
Do you really know better than them?
The fact of the matter is that a democracy will --->ALWAYS<---- become inhumane and then unstable. It's a certified fact for those who study history. The Ancient greeks were already teaching this fact!
The sad thing is that in the year 2000, the majority of americans still thought that a democracy is what they lived in despite everyone having to say the pledge of Allegiance to the flag at school. (Which clearly spells out that this is a republic.) Stupid peons...
Do you really know better than them?
The fact of the matter is that a democracy will --->ALWAYS<---- become inhumane and then unstable. It's a certified fact for those who study history. The Ancient greeks were already teaching this fact!
The sad thing is that in the year 2000, the majority of americans still thought that a democracy is what they lived in despite everyone having to say the pledge of Allegiance to the flag at school. (Which clearly spells out that this is a republic.) Stupid peons...