I can't believe no one has started a thread about the NSA shit from this week...

LOL @ people bothering to respond to this thread...

What is their to discuss? NSA spies on it's citizens for so called "safety" reasons. People act like it's new news.

It's not new news. It's old news. It's been said for a while now.

What do the people do? Nothing.

Moving on....

Kudos to the guy who released those doc's.
 


this guys life is basically ruined.

was it worth it???? I wonder..

wait until he deals with the real consequences of his actions

and for what???

a blip

nothing is going to change..
 
bluecoyote said:
this guys life is basically ruined.

was it worth it???? I wonder..

wait until he deals with the real consequences of his actions

and for what???

a blip

nothing is going to change..
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Exactly what I'm thinking. The guy did a great thing but I don't think the people of the US are going to do anything about it.
 
Again, I think there is the potential for more fallout for the companies implicated in the whistleblowing rather than what the government is doing. That is what I think can lead to an interesting discussion.
 
dchuk said:
Again, I think there is the potential for more fallout for the companies implicated in the whistleblowing rather than what the government is doing. That is what I think can lead to an interesting discussion.
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There wont be any fallout w/ those companies. Sure a few more people may abandon these large companies (dropbox soon to be added to the list), but 98% of the people will just shrug this off and keep using said services. You know for the convenience. The real story is going to be when they pass this new law to shift from the companies voluntarily fulfilling these information requests, to being federally mandated to comply. This is coming in the very near future. Cant think of the name of the bill off the top of my head, but it exists and will shortly be signed into law.

The real story is how the current administration is one of the most closed off administration's in history. All while bragging about how transparent they are. The current administration has gone out of their way to be sure whistle blower's have their lives (prosocuted) ruined. The real story is how the american public willingly allows the .gov to trample all over the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments all in the name of security.


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Ben Franklin
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It look's like I was'nt to far off

A Director of National Intelligence official confirmed to CBS News correspondent Major Garrett that the highly secretive NSA has asked the Justice Department to investigate the leak. Reuters described the formal request as a "crimes report."

The Obama administration has shown a pattern of aggressively going after leakers of highly sensitive information that it does not itself leak, even going so far as to investigate the journalists reporting on them.
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Obama wont stand for whistleblowing in his administration


Apparently informing the world that the US .gov is violating the 4th amendment is now a crime.
 
Everything ██████ ███ is ██████ fine. The government ███ ██████ is ██████ ███ ████ here ███ █ to █████ ██████ protect █████ ███ you.

Carry on...​
 
dmnEPC said:
Apparently informing the world that the US .gov is violating the 4th amendment is now a crime.
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QFT.

I'll drop this link here again.

Justice Department today urged continued secrecy for a 2011 FISC opinion that found the National Security Agency's surveillance under the FISA Amendments Act to be unconstitutional.

Cliff Notes: In 2011, the FISC determined that the NSA's surveillance methods are unconstitutional. That FISC opinion has been withheld from the public, and the NSA has continued to tread on the constitution.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing some really good reports/stories/editorial/forum posts from experts on how the NSA doesn't drown in all that fucking data.

My dad spent some time in Canadian Air Force counter-intel, he told a few (very few - he's not a big talker) stories about intel fuck-ups that he knew of.

You can collect all the data you want, that's easy and fuck whatever laws of the country you are in at the moment.

But separately noise from data from actionable information is a different sort of problem altogether, despite what the geeks in the backroom say. ("We'll just write an algo to filter that")

Or so I've been told. Which wasn't very much in the first place.
 
The US has all the information on everyone, SSN, INCOME, TAX, health information, financial information, etc etc, I wouldn't be shocked if they knew how many girls I have banged.
 
Veritas said:
The US has all the information on everyone, SSN, INCOME, TAX, health information, financial information, etc etc, I wouldn't be shocked if they knew how many girls I have banged.
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That's what Benji49 is talking about- there's a big difference between 'having' the data and doing anything useful with the data.
 
What is more scary than this news itself, is that most people dont care and are not surprised.
 
Wondering... Does the 'lack' of uproar have something to do with President Obama being in the White House?

People that are usually very loud on the left and for a big part in the 'mainstream' just think he is a 'good' guy and believe in 'his' government not to take advantage of his 'powers'. Watching with glee as the folks that 'disagree' with them 'right wing nutcases' are being haunted by the IRS and investigated by other three letter agencies. Watching excited as religious 'nuts' have to pay for abortions even though its against their 'morals' under the new healthcare law. Because they 'deserve' it.

Folks that DO protest for the last several years have automatically been stamped as 'racists', 'birthers', etc. and just kind of been made fun off.

Now, that they have been proven right to a large degree its the 'head in the sand' type of reaction. To much to think about... To much data from the media coming at us at all times... Don't have time to 'contemplate' what this could mean down the line.

Never mind - Games of Thrones is on... Wonder what the fallout for the Red Wedding will be?
 
Gertex said:
Wondering... Does the 'lack' of uproar have something to do with President Obama being in the White House?

People that are usually very loud on the left and for a big part in the 'mainstream' just think he is a 'good' guy and believe in 'his' government not to take advantage of his 'powers'. Watching with glee as the folks that 'disagree' with them 'right wing nutcases' are being haunted by the IRS and investigated by other three letter agencies. Watching excited as religious 'nuts' have to pay for abortions even though its against their 'morals' under the new healthcare law. Because they 'deserve' it.

Folks that DO protest for the last several years have automatically been stamped as 'racists', 'birthers', etc. and just kind of been made fun off.

Now, that they have been proven right to a large degree
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On this particular issue? Forgetting about the problems with applying one of two categories to everything - the "left" ACLU, for example, has been warning about this type of thing regularly for years, whereas allowing the government to get tougher in the name of national security is usually more of a "right" thing.


Patriot Act extension vote :

Republican 210 YEAS 27 NAYS
Democratic 65 YEAS 117 NAYS

PATRIOT Act Extension - H.R.514: FISA Sunsets Extension Act of 2011 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress


2008 :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeULzjUe28]Rachel Maddow Show: NSA Listening In Oct. 17, 2008 - YouTube[/ame]


its the 'head in the sand' type of reaction.
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The story came out of a "left" newspaper; various "left" columnists, Al Gore, Michael Moore, Alan Colmes, and whoever else have said they are upset.

Reddit users are organizing this :
Restore The Fourth Amendment


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHN8D5bExtU]Rachel Maddow - The NSA AT&T Spying 'Secret Room' & PRISM - YouTube[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U78aW6FwkS8]NSA Surveillance - Does Obama Have ANY Credibility Left? - YouTube[/ame]
 
Fuck my military service.

This man has made a bigger and more meaningful sacrifice than anyone I know.

Meet Edward Snowden.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM"]NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things' - YouTube[/ame]
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5lgvxcMkS4]Rand Paul On NSA Spying: 'I'm Going To Challenge This At The Supreme Court' - Fox News 6/9/2013 - YouTube[/ame]
 
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