I was almost mugged today but..
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Seriously? Haha! I'm from Hinckley originally... small world. I know some parts of Leicester are rough, but is it really that unsafe that you have to carry a knife all the time?
I'm in the US. Our gun control is nonexistant. The biggest danger to carrying a knife is the probability of the attacker having a gun that actually shoots straight.
In the USA it seems like a lifestyle.
It makes me sick when I see idiots saying that everybody should have a gun! In 10 years everybody gonna have a uzi in the US. Shame on you! :anon.sml:
What is the matter with some of you? Self defence is the most basic human right.
Many of us in many countries, (Canada, UK, Australia...) have been robbed of our most basic human right, to be allowed the means with which to defend our person and loved ones.
I have been attacked a few times, despite being a rather large 200+lbs guy. And I have to say that it has never worked out well for the attackers. Do you know why? Because I carry a weapon. Otherwise I don't know what would have happened to me in either of those situations. Not pretty to say the least. I carry a knife, if it were permitted I would carry a pistol.
Once I had 2 crack heads pull a knife on me. That was one time that I had been too lazy to carry my knife. I got away cause they were drug addicts and I am athletic. I called the cops. You know why I called the cops? BECAUSE THEY HAVE GUNS. Cut out the fucking middle man. Protect your self.
Despite all your laws, criminals still carry weapons. Crackheads are more abundant than ever. And I live in "peaceful and safe" Canada.
Shit, a crack head with a rusty screwdriver is enough to kill you... Blow his fucking head off. Better to be judged then buried.
If you're the type that is going to say "jeez, just stay away from dangerous areas" I will tell you to give your head a shake. Don't you feel the right to go anywhere in a free country without fearing for your life? I guess I deserve to get attacked because I could not get a taxi home from the bar.
This one time when i was drunk in Toronto, I was outside a bar leaning against a post, half pissed. A couple of guys were checking me out. I heard one say to the other. "Lets see what he's got on him". I calmly pulled out my 'pig sticker' and started to clean my fingernails pretending that I did not hear them. They moved on. Either they found a new victim, or maybe it was enough for them to reflect on just how wrong things could have went for them.
well that's it for my rant.
Many of us in many countries, (Canada, UK, Australia...) have been robbed of our most basic human right, to be allowed the means with which to defend our person and loved ones.
I have been attacked a few times, despite being a rather large 200+lbs guy. And I have to say that it has never worked out well for the attackers. Do you know why? Because I carry a weapon. Otherwise I don't know what would have happened to me in either of those situations. Not pretty to say the least. I carry a knife, if it were permitted I would carry a pistol.
Once I had 2 crack heads pull a knife on me. That was one time that I had been too lazy to carry my knife. I got away cause they were drug addicts and I am athletic. I called the cops. You know why I called the cops? BECAUSE THEY HAVE GUNS. Cut out the fucking middle man. Protect your self.
Despite all your laws, criminals still carry weapons. Crackheads are more abundant than ever. And I live in "peaceful and safe" Canada.
Shit, a crack head with a rusty screwdriver is enough to kill you... Blow his fucking head off. Better to be judged then buried.
If you're the type that is going to say "jeez, just stay away from dangerous areas" I will tell you to give your head a shake. Don't you feel the right to go anywhere in a free country without fearing for your life? I guess I deserve to get attacked because I could not get a taxi home from the bar.
This one time when i was drunk in Toronto, I was outside a bar leaning against a post, half pissed. A couple of guys were checking me out. I heard one say to the other. "Lets see what he's got on him". I calmly pulled out my 'pig sticker' and started to clean my fingernails pretending that I did not hear them. They moved on. Either they found a new victim, or maybe it was enough for them to reflect on just how wrong things could have went for them.
well that's it for my rant.
I understand your point RoscoeT. I'm far from an expert with the question. But in a perfect world nobody would have a gun, not the opposite. Now I know that the world is far from perfect, the world is sick!
I just think that having a gun is not a good solution, it's just a very dangerous way to patch a very deep problem.
When everybody is going to have a gun, what's next? We will all be at the same "level of security"? You really think like that? Think of what would happen if everybody in the street would get a bigger gun than yours.
Also, do you shot a guy who have a baseball bat and want to hit you? A knife is enough to get shot? Somebody yelling at you, you show your gun? Those are all interesting questions to ask ourselves when come the time to decide if we follow that path.
My 2 cents.
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Gotta say man, here and in many other places it's alcohol that causes a lot more problems than other drugs, head through and town or city centre in the UK at a w/e and it will be pissheads getting violent and causing shit. It's a good fuckin job they can't legally carry guns here.
I do agree with you about the right to self defence, and it would be nice to be able to own and use an rpg to defend myself against heavy handed soldiers at a protest outside a US base (still fucking) here in England. However, not everyone would use their rpgs in such a responsible manner, so it is probably better for society if individuals aren't able to walk around with rpgs.
The right to defend yourself is important, but the right for some else to continue to live is just as important if not more so. There are some exceptions, but generally speaking the is a correlation between the number of private citizens who are armed and the homicide rate.
A libertarian or anarchist case could be put for the right of individuals to be able to own and operate absolutely any weaponary available, even build private armies. Then the right to bare arms might mean the same as it did when pistol and rifles were the best weapons available. However, most people realise it wouldn't benefit society if individuals have the right to own and use tanks and nukes. A large number of governments also put the benefits to society over the rights of individuals with firearms too, and most of their citizens don't mind sacrificing that individual right for the good of society.
Lol good stuff.
And yeah, some parts of Leicester are really nice, unfortunately I live in one of the more rougher parts.
I live in Braunstone, don't know if you've heard of it. Full of chavs + 'gangsters' :repuke:
Lazzy Hippie, I'm not talking about PRGs and the right to bare arms. I am talking about honest people being robbed of the right to defend themselves and their property.
It's a legal and a psychological battle against us. You can see it in the posts here... people saying " heavens me... don't carry a knife the police will get you".
These people have already succumbed to the "911 dial a prayer" mentality. The "I'll just call the police" attitude. Well get real. The police are not going to be there in time to save your ass.
It says to me that the only people afraid of the law is law abiding citizens. Those intent on committing these horrible acts care nothing of the law or your rights. And they are pretty confident that you are not armed enough to defend yourself.
You talk about everyones right to life. I agree. They however must protect their right and respect mine at the same time. If you enter MY HOME with the intent on doing me harm you waive your right to safety. That is the law of nature. The courts have perverted this right and made us afraid to even defend our own home or person. Not afraid of the criminals, but afraid the police will punish us.
As far as on the street, I think we have more to fear from the cops. They're the ones who will cause you real problems. Like for example, say some ass hat decides to rob or hurt you. You are by far better off to put his ass down and keep quiet. Don't get the cops involved. They will drag your ass to jail for something that 100 years ago would have gotten your picture with the mayor in the paper. "Mayor congratulates Citizen who defends family home". You would be considered a role model.
Today, even if you're found innocent your legal bills and the 6 - 18 months in jail while awaiting trail will have ruined your life.
If some say "yeah but that's a 100 years ago, times change". I say that is bullshit. The laws of nature are always with us. The only thing that has changed is we think we are above it all now.
It's a legal and a psychological battle against us. You can see it in the posts here... people saying " heavens me... don't carry a knife the police will get you".
These people have already succumbed to the "911 dial a prayer" mentality. The "I'll just call the police" attitude. Well get real. The police are not going to be there in time to save your ass.
It says to me that the only people afraid of the law is law abiding citizens. Those intent on committing these horrible acts care nothing of the law or your rights. And they are pretty confident that you are not armed enough to defend yourself.
You talk about everyones right to life. I agree. They however must protect their right and respect mine at the same time. If you enter MY HOME with the intent on doing me harm you waive your right to safety. That is the law of nature. The courts have perverted this right and made us afraid to even defend our own home or person. Not afraid of the criminals, but afraid the police will punish us.
As far as on the street, I think we have more to fear from the cops. They're the ones who will cause you real problems. Like for example, say some ass hat decides to rob or hurt you. You are by far better off to put his ass down and keep quiet. Don't get the cops involved. They will drag your ass to jail for something that 100 years ago would have gotten your picture with the mayor in the paper. "Mayor congratulates Citizen who defends family home". You would be considered a role model.
Today, even if you're found innocent your legal bills and the 6 - 18 months in jail while awaiting trail will have ruined your life.
If some say "yeah but that's a 100 years ago, times change". I say that is bullshit. The laws of nature are always with us. The only thing that has changed is we think we are above it all now.
My god you have a very weird view of the world!
Later it was the punks now the cops.
In Montreal my friend I say hello to cops, they parade with the Montreal Canadiens flag on their car when our team win and most of the people encourage them, wave at them and laugh with them. They are people like you and me you know!
Yes there are some anarchist punks who just want to get some attention by breaking everything and fighting the cops but those idiots are a very small minority and they should stay a minority in our mind despite the huge media coverage!
I have never ever been threatened by a gun, a knife or any weapon, got involved in a couple of fights but nothing serious. And YES I have travelled a lot, have been in more than 10 countries just last year (!), have been drunk in many parts of the world, never had any trouble. And I'm not 18 but 30!
Without disrespect sir when I see posts like yours I begin to think that it's all a question of attitude. A question of being positive or negative toward the people, toward the world.
RoscoeT, I'm not aware of the court cases you mention, but common sense would suggest that if you are defending yourself or other people against a threat to their lives then the courts would see that. If you shoot someone just for breaking in or trespassing and they pose no threat to you then that's not self-defence.
Sorry if I've got this wrong, but you sound very young. I very much doubt you would execute a mugger in the street or anyone else if your life was not in danger. But if you could honestly take the life of another human being in such a cold way, and then expect to be praised for it... it sounds like you should seek psychiatric help, before the bodies start piling up.
Sorry if I've got this wrong, but you sound very young. I very much doubt you would execute a mugger in the street or anyone else if your life was not in danger. But if you could honestly take the life of another human being in such a cold way, and then expect to be praised for it... it sounds like you should seek psychiatric help, before the bodies start piling up.
This is a really interesting discussion. I have to agree with RoscoeT's basic argument that we have the right to defend ourselves. But he appears to take a break from common sense toward the end of his last post.
And JohnWinner is 100% correct in that it's a question of attitude.
I read an article years ago about people falling into one of three categories; sheep, sheepdog, and wolf. Most of the people yelling against people having weapons are sheep. They expect someone else to protect them. Sheepdogs are typically law enforcement who are charged with protecting the sheep, but could also be those who put forth an effort to keep themselves and their families safe. And the wolves are all the idiots out there than mean you harm.
You can whine, complain, etc. all you want, but if you're not taking steps to keep your family safe, you're a sheep. In which case, be real nice to the sheepdogs, you're going to need them sooner or later.
As such,don't stereotype the sheepdogs. Yeah, a lot of 'em are pains in the tail, but many are just trying to make a living and help a few people along the way.
My thoughts on it all, anyway.
And JohnWinner is 100% correct in that it's a question of attitude.
I read an article years ago about people falling into one of three categories; sheep, sheepdog, and wolf. Most of the people yelling against people having weapons are sheep. They expect someone else to protect them. Sheepdogs are typically law enforcement who are charged with protecting the sheep, but could also be those who put forth an effort to keep themselves and their families safe. And the wolves are all the idiots out there than mean you harm.
You can whine, complain, etc. all you want, but if you're not taking steps to keep your family safe, you're a sheep. In which case, be real nice to the sheepdogs, you're going to need them sooner or later.
As such,don't stereotype the sheepdogs. Yeah, a lot of 'em are pains in the tail, but many are just trying to make a living and help a few people along the way.
My thoughts on it all, anyway.
In Nevada, if one was to murder another while an attempted break in is occurring, by law, you can injury/kill them because they consider it "ones castle". We also don't have the castle retreat bullshit. Thank god, cause I'd put my gun in their face and pull the trigger. It really depends on what state you live in, because in some states, that would be self defense, and although the courts would frown upon one's actions, they wouldn't be charged with 1st degree murder or anything.
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RoscoeT: Gotta respectfully disagree with you there on the right to arms, matey.
People can defend themselves pretty easily without resort to weapons. Many MANY parts of the human body are intensely fragile and break easily. Noses, wrists, fingers, elbows and knees all shatter with a bit of force applied at the correct angle.
Now, the guy stick a knife in your face is unlikely to really know how to use it. Most of the time, they will take a wide swing at you, based on the same motion as a hook punch.
If you're not freaking out, if you stay calm, it's not difficult to step outisde the arc of the swing, grab their wrist as it comes through, and pull back. At the same time if you push in on their elbow, it does not take much force to shatter it.
Likewise, a heel stomp to the kneecap will slip or shatter it, and a kick to the back/hinge of the knee will make people go down.
A sudden palm strike to the nose will crush it, potentially driving cartilage into their brains (this one's a bit trickier to pull off).
If there's a bunch of them, breaking the elbow of one of them in a calm and methodical manner is usually enough to scare the crap out of the rest of them.
I say this from an experience I'd rather not relive.
Guns. Well, that's a different kettle of fish. I'd say 9/10 times, the guy doesn't actually want to shoot you, they just want to threaten you.
You can try to be a hero in that case, or you can calmly hand over your wallet. It's not like people carry all that much cash anymore.
That 1/10 times, well, my commiserations if it happens to you. Statistically it's unlikely, but there's nothing you can do really if it does. Having your own gun just makes it worse, because it means someone is going to get shot.
People can defend themselves pretty easily without resort to weapons. Many MANY parts of the human body are intensely fragile and break easily. Noses, wrists, fingers, elbows and knees all shatter with a bit of force applied at the correct angle.
Now, the guy stick a knife in your face is unlikely to really know how to use it. Most of the time, they will take a wide swing at you, based on the same motion as a hook punch.
If you're not freaking out, if you stay calm, it's not difficult to step outisde the arc of the swing, grab their wrist as it comes through, and pull back. At the same time if you push in on their elbow, it does not take much force to shatter it.
Likewise, a heel stomp to the kneecap will slip or shatter it, and a kick to the back/hinge of the knee will make people go down.
A sudden palm strike to the nose will crush it, potentially driving cartilage into their brains (this one's a bit trickier to pull off).
If there's a bunch of them, breaking the elbow of one of them in a calm and methodical manner is usually enough to scare the crap out of the rest of them.
I say this from an experience I'd rather not relive.
Guns. Well, that's a different kettle of fish. I'd say 9/10 times, the guy doesn't actually want to shoot you, they just want to threaten you.
You can try to be a hero in that case, or you can calmly hand over your wallet. It's not like people carry all that much cash anymore.
That 1/10 times, well, my commiserations if it happens to you. Statistically it's unlikely, but there's nothing you can do really if it does. Having your own gun just makes it worse, because it means someone is going to get shot.
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