I'm pretty fat. Looking for a good all-around workout.

Do sports that if heartbeat is in between 115-130 bpm :p not more.

Do sports at least 90 mins or more as the first 30 mins u only burn crabs and no fat.

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Grindstone said:
How do you handle compound/isolation movements on this program. Alternate upper/lower body so like chest/thighs/back/hams/shoulders/calves? Always wondered how to avoid training same body parts, at least supplementary ones, on back to back days on a schedule like this.

Also, for the caloric method/ice cream debate, you can fuel yourself on anything as long as the caloric ratios are there. Case in point, I spent 6 weeks in Spain existing on full fat yogurt, ben and jerrys, tapas (greasy bar food) and guiness stout. Came home with slightly less than 5% bodyfat. Now I watch everything I eat and struggle not to put on weight. The difference? 6-10 hours a day hiking and high intensity rockclimbing versus 10-15 hour days at a computer.

Argue all you want, diet plus consistent exercise is the quickest route to body transformation. Nobody wants to admit that though, because both are hard work.
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^^ QFT

All you guys saying "i did this and it worked for me" = congrats to you

Everyone else not saying this and spouting off "you need to do xyz" = fuck off

Weight Loss/Bulking Up = Same as Internet marketing.

What I am talking about above is this. As with affiliate marketing, if your not split testing, then your a failure and will get lousy results. If your not split testing what you need to be doing to bulk up and lose weight, then your gonna fail. Just like with SEO and Serps/Your body, every serp is different. What it takes to rank for buy viagra will be different then what it takes to rank for payday loans.

Every person's body/health/genetics is different and will react differently to different programs. Eating less calories works for some people, others it doesnt, eating less carbs works for some, but not others.

You need to be testing and proactively looking at what is working for you and tweak it. There is a reason why certain bodybuilders "create" their own arm curl exercises and routines that no one else is doing, same thing with diets.
 
stop listening to these idiots and go play some pickup basketball games down at the Y. If you're portly you're not gonna get any benefit from doing a bunch of specific toning exercises with weights and X vs Y brand of protein, creatine, or other product that also doubles as a cock enhancer. What you need to do is get on a regular schedule of actually getting off your ass and going to the gym to play hoops or kick the soccer ball off the wall or whatever... and just do some cardio. Once you're in a regular schedule your body will crave regular exercise and that's the hardest part- keeping a schedule. 99% of the ppl in here talk all this shit about what's the best supplement, chest-bi's-tri's on M/W/F or T/Th? etc- but in reality they go down to the gym for 2 weeks then give up and that's why most people fail. I'm guilty of it myself, lately- but I can say that for a solid 3 years I went to the gym on a regular schedule 3 days a week and never felt better... and I started out just by playing pickup soccer/basketball games and getting into that regimen. The easiest way to 'trick' your body into getting exercise... play games.
 
FrugalCopywrite said:
Well, what Tim did was starve himself for a stupid tango contest, probably took his before stats and images carb depleted, worked out a bit, carb loaded, got a tan, shaved his chest and took his after pictures pumped up.

Documentation? Lets see some before and after Dexa scans. They would probably have to clean the doctors gizz of the printouts, though, seeing as they would probably blow their loads when someone gained 34 lbs of muscle in a month...

If you think 34 lbs of muscle and 3 lbs of fat loss in a month is reasonable (even on steroids), then all I have to say is...

You sir, are an idiot...
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If you're not willing to do your research on the facts then stop making the argument that what he was able to accomplish is not legitimate.

What you quoted was a muscle and weight gain experiment he did.

You have not in any way explored his weight loss findings from his current book, from which MANY people have been changing their bodies for the better and faster than ever thought possible before.

You want to use what you believe is "correct" knowledge, but you fail to properly explore or discredit the alternative.

There are more ways to losing weight and gaining weight than you seem to believe are possible, and you refuse to open your eyes to anything past what your own limited experience tells you.

For not properly addressing the argument at hand, which is weight loss methods and for refusing to properly explore the alternative methods that you are so adamant about putting down, you have won the award of IDIOT once again.
 
jamesc32 said:
If you're not willing to do your research on the facts then stop making the argument that what he was able to accomplish is not legitimate.

What you quoted was a muscle and weight gain experiment he did.

You have not in any way explored his weight loss findings from his current book, from which MANY people have been changing their bodies for the better and faster than ever thought possible before.

You want to use what you believe is "correct" knowledge, but you fail to properly explore or discredit the alternative.

There are more ways to losing weight and gaining weight than you seem to believe are possible, and you refuse to open your eyes to anything past what your own limited experience tells you.

For not properly addressing the argument at hand, which is weight loss methods and for refusing to properly explore the alternative methods that you are so adamant about putting down, you have won the award of IDIOT once again.
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I am not really going to continue arguing my points with you, because we are just going around in circles.

Why did I bring up that piece I quoted on him. (The muscle gain thing) Because it makes it clear that he has no idea what he is talking about. Tim Ferriss is a charlatan to the nth degree and everyone with a brain larger than a pea knows it.

If he is so off base and "hypey" on something like that, all of his other stuff must be legitimate, right? After all, he is such a specialist in this area, right? People who aren't fat sacks of crap and actually know what it takes to get and stay lean (hard work and persistence) are beating down his door praising him for his work, right?

Why should we believe people who actually work with elite athletes and people who actually have a clue what they are talking about?

After all, this guy wrote a book between tango lessons that not only includes how you can lose weight faster than anyone ever thought possible, but also improve your sex live and reverse permanent injuries. If that wasn't enough, he found it important to write how he learned to swim effortlessly in 10 days.

If you truly believe the crap he says and defend it so vehemently, there is little hope for you in life. You can't believe everything you read, no matter how good it makes you feel...

Now, if you can address any specific concerns you have or state a specific argument against what I have just said, then I will address it. But, if you just make statements like "You are an idiot" and "I am ignoring alternatives", I really have nothing else to say on this issue.

At the end of the day, you have just been had by another Charlatan. You just can't handle it...
 
FrugalCopywrite said:
I am not really going to continue arguing my points with you, because we are just going around in circles.

Why ..
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Again man. You proved absolutely nothing.

I don't disagree that there are plenty of athletes and nutritionists and others who have one way of making things work, but there are many ways.

You bring things into the equation like, Charlatan, but you fail to properly back up your argument.

That is why you are an idiot.

I can handle it, it isn't a problem. I've played sports all my life, and at an elite level. However, I'm mind isn't closed to the possibilities of the human body and our ability to drastically change our body composition through various means. You clearly have closed your mind to these possibilities.

You still haven't come up with ANY valid points as to why the things he has been able to accomplish aren't actually true. Why? Because if you did your research, you would find that he did actually do these things, and people who have followed the instructions set out by him, have also accomplished very similar results.

Your argument would be invalid, but unfortunately, you haven't made one.

You have made assumptions about the topic, you have made assumptions about my knowledge which are wholly incorrect and you have failed to prove whatever point you were attempting to make.
 
jamesc32 said:
You still haven't come up with ANY valid points as to why the things he has been able to accomplish aren't actually true. Why? Because if you did your research, you would find that he did actually do these things, and people who have followed the instructions set out by him, have also accomplished very similar results.
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Did you not read what I posted about his "Muscle Gain" experiment? If you really think that is the truth, well you are severely misinformed.

All these people who have accomplished results with what he preaches - where are they? I haven't seen anyone.
 
FrugalCopywrite said:
Did you not read what I posted about his "Muscle Gain" experiment? If you really think that is the truth, well you are severely misinformed.

All these people who have accomplished results with what he preaches - where are they? I haven't seen anyone.
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Yet again, because you haven't done your proper research.

Google is your friend. There are whole communities dedicated to his style of body hacking.
 
FrugalCopywrite said:
What? That Ferris is a Charlatan? I don't have to prove that - his work does it for me...

Extra Chars
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Clearly I should have listened to my senses and not argued with a troll.

My bad. We all fall into that trap every now and then. Oh well, at least it isn't as bad as that racist thread going on.
 
/Thread participation for me, because my point has been made.


Idiot still insists on argument that has no merit or backing below this post. Nice.
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papajohn56 said:
With what kind of diet?
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When I originally needed to drop about 25-30kg.. my diet consisted of oatmeal in the morning, Synth6 choc shake snack, chicken/salmon salad for lunch (no dressing, croutons etc.) Synth6 choc shake snack, steak/fish/chicken + green veggies for dinnner, VPX before bed.

Didn't do any heavy lifting, did 5 1 hour sessions of high intensity training at the gym a week, instead of benchpressing max weight, i would take 1/4th and instead of doing 12 reps I would do 30-40.. 15-30second breaks.
 
I'm trying Tim's Geek to Freak and yeah no way can you gain that much muscle. However, I'm pretty shocked in the improvements and strength gain with how little I actually go to the gym.

I always had a problem with actually goin to the gym so having to only go one or twice a week and still seeing good gains is a game change for me.
 
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