Is John McCain pro life because of
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For most subjects, I'll give it to you that it would have been funny. But the reality is the most gruesome act that humans inflict upon one another is abortion.
I challenge any pro-choicer on this board to look at no less than 3 abortions: 1 partial-birth, one saline, and one suction.
After looking at that, if you can say you're still pro-life, then you are in serious need of counseling, you're not normal.
I was pro-choice until I saw a video. Nick Berg is children's television compared to an actual abortion procedure, taped in the womb.
But I get that it may have been satire, however there are a lot of slack-jaws in the world that see it in print (or online) and take it for gospel truth.
I said it before, Roe vs. Wade is on borrowed time, and I'm damn proud to contribute to it's demise. We will pass this abortion ban in SD and it will hit the supreme court. Just watch.
If that happens, you might want to buy some stock in the makers of these two fine items:
The moment you ban abortion is the moment women will take things into their own hands. If a woman truly wants an abortion, she will get it one way or another. The only thing banning it does is turns that place from a sterile environment into a back ally shit hole.
A 23 year old woman drinks, drives, and kills someone... Manslaughter
A 23 year old man/woman punches a 67 year old man and he dies of a heart attack... Manslaughter
A 23 year old woman chooses to fuck some guy bareback and gets pregnant, where does personal responsibility come into play? The condom broke? You knew it could happen, no? Since girls are 10-15, they understand periods, and that since they bleed, they can get pregnant. What is it that the sudden epiphany a woman has when she gets pregnant is that this whole mysterious event was somehow caused by a malicious male in order to indenture said female to the servitude of a child, the pain of birth, and the emotional/ifnancial burden of being a parent..???
You say sexual rights? I say bullshit. I'm married, make a decent income, and have 2 kids. What do you think of us having a kid every 11 months for a decade? You'd say we're chronic breeders and should use more effective birth control, right? I say even before the first child we knew what would happen if we decided to fuck. I'll readily admit that I can afford no more than 4 kids at this point, but would never consider killing one because I'd not be able to afford my $500/month car payments, whatever debt you want to use.
Women are just as responsible as men for child rearing, but you have to see that the amount of families waiting to adopt is staggering, that you can have the baby and still give it a great life.
This argument of unwanted children is bullshit. Folks to go 3rd world countries for kids. We need to make adoption more accessible and regulated, that's all.
I think Mother Theresa said it best when she said "It's a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
This may not be a real situation to some basement dwelling sockfuckers on this board, but to a kid who hasn't been born, it's pretty fucking important.
Same can be said of Meth. Just because it may become legal doesn't mean the social problems exit stage right.
What about slavery? For 100+ years it was legal and widely accepted. Try telling some 6'7 muscle bound black dude that you'd like him to accompany you home, pick some cotton for a few years, and not be paid. See how that works out.
I have a very hard time understanding why some people would sacrifice responsibility for convenience.
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BB: Just seeking clarification.
Are you against ALL abortion, including by-products of rape, incest, and potential danger by carrying to term?
Or just those that are based entirely on non-medical, non-criminal reasons?
Are you against ALL abortion, including by-products of rape, incest, and potential danger by carrying to term?
Or just those that are based entirely on non-medical, non-criminal reasons?
I'm against all abortion as birth control. Exceptions, though I think there are better alternatives, would include rape and incest.
I qualify the exceptions with the requirement that the crime must be reported and the victim must cooperate with law enforcement to get the abortion. You can't say that women are victimized by lack of options when they are raped, then turn around and claim that the mandatory reporting requirement would victimize the woman if she were to get an abortion. Fact is that life isn't fair and things go wrong sometimes.
If a rape victim doesn't report the rape, then others will likely be raped by the guy.
If an incest victim doesn't report the incest, they will likely be perped on again and you'll never solve a thing.
Bottom line is women in this country misuse abortion as birth control. Less than 1% of all abortions are medically necessitated or as a result of incest/rape. There are also many women who have been raped and are pro-life after having the child.
^That's ridiculous you can't pick and choose. (you can't choose at all) But since you're so keen on taking over women's bodies...are you going to personally give your blessing on whether a woman has been raped or a an incident of incest? Just think about what you're proposing. There would have to be some sort of hearing or determination that that this pregnancy was a rape/incest product. With how long anything beaurocratic takes in this county that could be months. So I guess you're a big proponent of partial birth abortion then?
Jeez people...I know you guys to be pretty logical in other matters on here...with this stuff like this your logic just flies out the window.
By the way 1 in 4 women are molested/sexually assaulted at least once in their lives...I have a hard time believe that the percent of conception is 1 %. So either that number is wrong or your dealing with alot of secret rape/incest pregnancies (which I can believe) and in that case it's just another reason why women should be able to do this discretely without any further psychological and/or physical damage done them.
Jeez people...I know you guys to be pretty logical in other matters on here...with this stuff like this your logic just flies out the window.
By the way 1 in 4 women are molested/sexually assaulted at least once in their lives...I have a hard time believe that the percent of conception is 1 %. So either that number is wrong or your dealing with alot of secret rape/incest pregnancies (which I can believe) and in that case it's just another reason why women should be able to do this discretely without any further psychological and/or physical damage done them.
That number sounds about right to me.
You can't trust a woman to be honest about the way she became pregnant because even those who were not raped would still use that excuse for the convenience factor or not wanting to look like a slut for forgetting to take her pill.
I can hear them already "Just tell em you were raped". You can't tell me they wouldn't try that. Besides, there is NO discretion when someone cries rape due to the fact that there will be an assailant to charge at that point.
Having an abortion before it has started to develop a brain is like cutting your nails or hair. Or removing your appendix. Simple as that. It's not a life until that, therefore abortion can never be "murder". And what it "could" develop into means nothing.
Wow turbo, you don't believe women are manipulative? You being a woman should know this first hand just as I know most men are womanizing sons-of-bitches (lucky bastards).
I just don't see the world that way. As humans, we have evolved to all be good at manipulation to a point. (Wait till you have children, you will be AMAZED at what a freakin 1 year old, yeah I said ONE YEAR OLD, can do to totally get you to do what they want ) Although I don't think that manipulation is the correct word. It's just good sales tactics...anyone in the world of Marketing should know how to sell yourself. Unfortunately, Men who are good at this are considered good business men. Women who are good at this are just considered manipulative. :/
That's a democrat's argument for you ... if you don't agree with me, you are not being logical. Yea right.
C'mon turbo, you're not getting "your momma" and "fuck you" replies here. This IS logic you are hearing and your giving out stuff like "Sorry, no vagina, no say.".
Most of the arguments you are hearing are wide open for leaving the choice available (like yourself). We're just not for empowering the woman to have the only say, there SHOULD BE red tape in the way so abortion is not as easy as getting a vaccination.
Men are simple minded and think with their dicks, I don't want them having the only say in abortion
Women are self centered and deceitful, I don't want them having the only say in abortion
This IS logic!. What you are advocating is gender empowerment and is not acceptable this day and age. Change is good and necessary, especially when dealing with Roe v Wade.
Again, I'm not pro-life ... I'm for people being able to kill their own kids. People that make bad choices would be bad parents. The only twist in my reasoning is that the choice should not be made by one person who is currently emotionally unstable.
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