Islam.

I think everyone who *is not* muslim should watch this video and then do their own research. I found this eye opening, then after further digging, started learning more about something I really didn't understand.

Islam: What the West Needs to Know - FULL LENGTH ENGLISH VERSION


Atheist, unbelievers, agnostics, most "normal" people dont understand what both the christians and muslims want. It's basically the same thing, just christians have a slightly tactic to achieve the results compared to muslims.

God is one god, they want to live in a society where that God is reverred, accepted, loved. Christians want a Christian nation founded around the teachings of Christ. Muslims want a Muslim nation, founded around the teachings of Mohammad. They dont want a "religion" on the side. Thats why both sides have such a hard time accepting separation of church / state.

The above mentioned people want religion to be accessory, but true believers (on both sides) will continue to fight that... The only scary part is that the koran teaches to forcefully make others bow to the will of Allah. Christians might have an "annoying" factor - but we really just want others to leave God-given purposeful lives and hopefully help save someone from damnation.

full disclosure on my post: I am a Christian, believer that Jesus Christ is son of God and that he died for the sins of mankind. I am a sinner, I obviously fail daily. Thats obvious if you know me. If anyone wants to talk directly about my beliefs, I would love to - but I dont argue about it cause that just causes problems. Hopefully everyone will respect that.
 


lul majority of muslims are peaceful. that doesn't make the news though, it's not exciting enough. i doubt people like popeye have ever met a muslim person. the 9/11 people, bin laden and his possy, all cunty fucktarded extremists. I'm in the UK with a large muslim population. I was at school with muslims, in college etc. a guy i know talks like me, acts like me, listens to the same music, eats the same food, but because he prays in a mosque and doesn't drink alcohol people think his blending into a western civilisation is all a big ruse in a master plan to pwn the world. sad really.
 
A fucked up Christian is as fucked up as a fucked up Moslem ... It has nothing to do with their religion.. Oh wait religion is fucked up anyway... The only religion that I am aware of that don't spread hatred against a non believer is Zoroastrianism. Then again they are also a condescending lot, to continue with the general tone of generelizations.

Two cockroaches were eating shit. One roach said he wants to go shit... Other roach replied, "let's not talk about shit while eating"
 
MikeT3 said:
Where did you get your 10% number? I'd like to see what you are using for a source.
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My number wasn't spot on but rounded down since it was within 5%.

Why we needed an Imams' declaration for peace - CNN.com

Calgary, Canada (CNN) -- Immediately before 9-11, al Qaeda was considered almost below most Americans' notice. One Washington Post/ABC News poll found that in early 2002, only 14 percent of Americans thought Islam encouraged violence.
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Muslims have been part of North American society for more than 100 years. There have been mosques in places such as Edmonton, Alberta; Cedar Rapids, Iowa; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Cleveland, Ohio; and Buffalo, New York, since the 1930s.

In Canada and the United States before 9-11, the growing Muslim minority was well-integrated, with higher-than-average educational attainments for both genders. Muslims in civic and business leadership positions went as unnoticed as members of any other successful community. And North America's Muslims were proud to be an integral part of North American society, because we knew it was the Muslim ideal as well.
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And so on (though I do agree with him, any Mosques, Muslim community who do not advocate violence needs to openly speak out against it).
 
Further citation:

Negative Perception Of Islam Increasing - washingtonpost.com

According to the poll, the proportion of Americans who believe that Islam helps to stoke violence against non-Muslims has more than doubled since the attacks, from 14 percent in January 2002 to 33 percent today.
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2002 is after 9/11 so you can imagine it was easily 10% before 9/11

and another:

ABCNEWS.com : Poll: Critical U.S. Views of Islam Grow

Sept. 11— Suspicion of Islam has grown sharply, a new ABCNEWS poll finds. In the face of broad unfamiliarity with the religion, less than half of Americans now call it peaceful, and one in three believes it encourages violence against non-Muslims — double what it was 20 months ago.

Four months after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, 14 percent believed mainstream Islam encourages violence; today it's 34 percent. Similarly, 43 percent now think Islam does not teach respect for the beliefs of non-Muslims — up sharply from 22 percent.
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And regarding ignorance:

One thing that has not changed is unfamiliarity with Islam. Nearly two-thirds of Americans feel they don't have a "good basic understanding" of the religion, essentially the same as it was in October 2001.
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I'm willing to bet that most who claim they are the devil and strongly feel opposed to the mosque still don't know any more than they did in 2001, cept for maybe some website or pastor that fed them violent sounding verses (hell I can do that with the bible all day long)
 
kblessinggr said:
My number wasn't spot on but rounded down since it was within 5%.

Why we needed an Imams' declaration for peace - CNN.com


And so on (though I do agree with him, any Mosques, Muslim community who do not advocate violence needs to openly speak out against it).
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Not seeing anything in there that says a % of Americans were ignorant of Islam. ...then again didn't read the entire thing. Skimmed it.
DKPMO said:
Have you thought of promoting Islamic Terrorism Supplies niche?
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Running off to create my landing pages now! :P
 
kblessinggr said:
Further citation:

Negative Perception Of Islam Increasing - washingtonpost.com



2002 is after 9/11 so you can imagine it was easily 10% before 9/11

and another:

ABCNEWS.com : Poll: Critical U.S. Views of Islam Grow
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Where in the article does it say Americans didn't know about Islam? I saw
The poll found that nearly half of Americans -- 46 percent -- have a negative view of Islam
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but nothing else about the % that didn't know what Islam is.
And no shit half the country had a negative view of Islam after 9/11.
 
MikeT3 said:
Where in the article does it say Americans didn't know about Islam? I saw

but nothing else about the % that didn't know what Islam is.
And no shit half the country had a negative view of Islam after 9/11.
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I never said 10-14% being 'ignorant' of islam, I said 14% did not feel that islam promoted violence (learn to read) in 2002 4 months after 9/11

They even had a cute little table:


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I'm confused though. The Koran does openly encourage violence against non-muslims, conversion by the sword, etc (I'm not a Christian, so save it). So...Americans are getting smarter about Islam being a violent religion? I'm pretty sure that's not the point you're trying to make, so help me out.
 
kblessinggr said:
I never said 10-14% being 'ignorant' of islam, I said 14% did not feel that islam promoted violence (learn to read) in 2002 4 months after 9/11
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shit that's twice today I've done that. Unplugging my keyboard and walking away from the computer. eye strain might be an issue. Sorry Kb
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
I'm confused though. The Koran does openly encourage violence against non-muslims, conversion by the sword, etc (I'm not a Christian, so save it). So...Americans are getting smarter about Islam being a violent religion? I'm pretty sure that's not the point you're trying to make, so help me out.
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The commentary I posted above has one opinion of it:

For example, they cite a famous verse in the Quran that says, roughly, "Fight the people of the book until they know themselves subdued," and use it to create fear or to support a violent agenda. However, here's what that verse really means.

When Mohammed and his companions "conquered" the Middle East in the 7th century, the command to do so came in response to rumours of an army massing in the north that was planning to exterminate them.

The Muslims expected a fight to the death but met people willing to live in peace, and they founded a society with rights, freedom, liberty and justice for all, regardless of race, creed or gender.

God wasn't telling them when to fight, he was telling them when to stop. While the vast majority of imams today put this verse in historical perspective for their congregations, this declaration now serves to put those who would abuse it in perspective as well.

Likewise, radicals claim Islam is anti-Semitic. And yet, when Jerusalem fell, Caliph Umar walked up to the gates and accepted the Catholic patriarch's demands for security, religious freedom and relative autonomy with one proviso: that those rights also be afforded to the 70 Jewish families who had been expelled by the Patriarch.

Claims that Islam wants to destroy Christianity are answered by Caliph Umar's refusal of the patriarch's invitation to pray in the Christian cathedral, "that later generations not declare it a mosque, so that it will remain a church forever."

In fact, equality before the courts in Mohammed's time was so profound that when Muslims extorted land from a Jewish citizen and built a mosque, the caliph had the mosque destroyed and the land returned.
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Course I feel a number of modern muslim governments go against their own teaching if thats true.
 
Yaxxx said:
lul majority of muslims are peaceful.
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Then they are good people despite of what their religion teaches.

The Koran and Old Testament are both filled with violence, bigotry, rape, pillage, genocide and other fun stuff of this nature.

Why should we be tolerant of morally bankrupt ideas when there is no tolerance for non-believers in their teachings?
 
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