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[Moxie]

Libertarians issue warning to Tea Partiers | Libertarian Party

New Data: Tea Party is Authoritarian, Not Libertarian


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehCAbHFc8Uw&]A Libertarian's Chat with The Tea Party - YouTube[/ame]

 

[scottspfd82]

What's stopping 12 insurance companies to merge in a single day and rape you all?

Not a free market. We don't have one. And definitely not the state.

Obamacare's MLR 'Bomb' Will Create Private Insurance Monopolies and Drive Premiums Skyward. Hallelujah! - Forbes

What makes you believe there will be competition in anarchy?

Competition over what? The economy? Security? Education? Dealing drugs? Arms dealing? Medical care? Pharmaceuticals? Banks? The media? Currency? Food distribution? Communications technology? What substances you're allowed to ingest? The right to kill? The internet? Property rights? Airspace? Intellectual property rights?

You noobs are hilarious

What's hilarious is that you believe that you own anything you compete for now. You own nothing. Car? House? Money? You own none of that. They can take it all anytime they want.

You don't own yourself. Maybe one of the sites you hit with a web 2.0 package (no offense, service looks good) decides to press charges for content you posted on their site. Maybe they find something an article spinner put out damaging.

They don't even need that to wipe you out, confiscate your so-called possessions and lock you away. That's one of a million reasons they could manufacture to ruin you. It happens every day.

What's hilarious is they ruin 1,000's of innocent lives daily, but it hasn't happened to you yet. And if it does (assuming you live), people just like you will think it's hilarious, the only people who will care are the "noobs' you're condescending right now.

 

[Falian]

I'm happy the way things are.

 

[lukep]

I know more Marines and soldiers wide-awake than the civilians I've talked to. Granted, we're a bunch of lazy fucks who just want to be left alone at this point, but there is truly nothing like the campfire talks I've shared with guys I've served with.

You're certainly not alone. Get with Kokesh.

What's stopping 12 insurance companies to merge in a single day and rape you all?

Free markets. Learn what that means before you respond.

What makes you believe there will be competition in anarchy?

???

Competition makes anarchy possible. Regulation destroys anarchy. You can't have anarchy without competition. You have a LOT to learn. Start with these:

http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf
http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/Economics_in_one_lesson.pdf
Libertarian Anarchism: Responses to Ten Objections by Roderick T. Long

The Billionaires' Tea Party - Trailer - YouTube

Such is politics in the USA. I recommend staying out of them:

Were you even aware that Ron Paul started the Tea Party before those two clowns stole it?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNiDx7qTjA]The Tea Party Started In 2007 And Ron Paul Is The Godfather - YouTube[/ame]

Politics suck. Guns are far more honest.

 

[acidie]

What's hilarious is they ruin 1,000's of innocent lives daily, but it hasn't happened to you yet. And if it does (assuming you live), people just like you will think it's hilarious, the only people who will care are the "noobs' you're condescending right now.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see

 

[jryan21]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knrMgeTSrRI]US Marines Major Christopher Miller Speech at Missouri RNC D3 Convention(Mirror) Ron Paul 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[boatBurner]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16K6m3Ua2nw"]The most honest three and a half minutes of television, EVER... - YouTube[/ame]

 

[acidie]

The most honest three and a half minutes of television, EVER... - YouTube

This may rub the "USA USA USA" diehards the wrong way, but America has never been the greatest country in the world and it's never been exceptional.

There were great things about America and there still are, but it has never been the best.

People in these threads keep looking to the Government for a solution to a problem that is caused by the Government.

Ron Paul is not the answer, he is part of the problem.

He is part of the Government and while some of his policies may be more in line with the free market and Libertarianism, he is and always will be part of a system that seeks to remove your rights, as a person, as a community and as a nation.

 

[scottspfd82]

Ron Paul is not the answer, he is part of the problem.

I agree, sort of.

IMO Paul has done more good for the world with his message than he could ever accomplish in political office. I think he made the mistake of trying to fix politics with politics.

I do agree that he's created a lot of enthusiastic minarchists, and that promoting statism as a solution is very dangerous in itself. At the same time I know that myself, and many I know, wouldn't be receptive to voluntarist/An-Cap philosophies without Libertarian ideologies as a stepping stone.

I think even Ron Paul would agree that Government can't solve Government.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoUrrlbDoVs]Ron Paul is a Voluntarist - YouTube[/ame]

And when he's no longer in a position to be burned at the stake for speaking out he may. Regardless, he used his political power to spread a (mostly) positive message and woke up a lot of people.

That said, I agree with what you're saying. I do think that RP as an individual, not a politician, is a positive force. Could be wrong though.

 

[lukep]

^Absolutely.

Paul knows that you can't skip any steps in the natural progression:

He's brought people from the first step to the very last one by the truckload, but they NEVER skipped any steps.

 

[Socialist]

Capitalism and consumerism is getting old, I think people are starting to realize you can be happy without wasting your life participating in either. I'd argue that a Buddhist monk living in Tibet, lives a more fulfilling life then the average American killing themselves with fast food and enslaved by their worldly possessions.

This use and discard mentality, just fucks everything up. It'd old and it's out dated and if we have any chance of preserving the environment for future generations, it's got to change.

 

[acidie]

He's brought people from the first step to the very last one by the truckload, but they NEVER skipped any steps.

The problem with Ron Paul is that he is a mix of contractions. He states that taxation is theft and that Government are monopolies that exist in spite of the people not because of. And yet he is still part of the Government he is denouncing.

This is no different than a warden of a prison claiming that the incarceration of non-violent drug offenders is morally reprehensible while running a prison in which these people are housed.

While what Ron Paul stands for in general I agree with, that does not make him some one I look to or even respect.

 

[acidie]

Capitalism and consumerism is getting old, I think people are starting to realize you can be happy without wasting your life participating in either. I'd argue that a Buddhist monk living in Tibet, lives a more fulfilling life then the average American killing themselves with fast food and enslaved by their worldly possessions.

This use and discard mentality, just fucks everything up. It'd old and it's out dated and if we have any chance of preserving the environment for future generations, it's got to change.

Fail troll is fail

 

[Socialist]

Fail troll is fail

How is that trolling? You're not retarded are you?

 

[acidie]

You're not retarded are you?

No I'm not retarded, thanks for noticing.

 

[lukep]

The problem with Ron Paul is that he is a mix of contractions. He states that taxation is theft and that Government are monopolies that exist in spite of the people not because of. And yet he is still part of the Government he is denouncing.

This is no different than a warden of a prison claiming that the incarceration of non-violent drug offenders is morally reprehensible while running a prison in which these people are housed.

That metaphors is incomplete. I always thought of it like he was preaching against billboards by using a billboard to get the message out... Using your enemy against itself. Very Sun-Tzu like.

The latest 5 - 10 Million additions to libertarianism are certainly worth a little confusion, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Socialist]

No I'm not retarded, thanks for noticing.

Brush up on your terminology then, and stop acting like one.

 

[acidie]

The latest 5 - 10 Million additions to libertarianism are certainly worth a little confusion, wouldn't you agree?

TBH I'm not sure. I'm not saying what he stands for is wrong, I just can't get past the fact he is part of the problem and willing so. I'm not sure the confusion is good for the message either.

Read Ron Paul he's great, he talks about abolishing taxation and liberty.
Wow this Ron Paul fellow is amazing he really opened my eyes to the corruption of Government.
Vote for Ron Paul!
Wait what?!?

 

[mattseh]

lol @ "lukepewp" tag

 

[jacky8]

Free markets. Learn what that means before you respond.


???

Competition makes anarchy possible. Regulation destroys anarchy. You can't have anarchy without competition. You have a LOT to learn. Start with these:

http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf
http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/Economics_in_one_lesson.pdf

You got it.

You will have competition initially, but what is stopping all the companies to merge and then rape you all from the next day onwards?

Then buy out or eliminate all new competition. This happens all the time, maybe just not in YOUR country.

Anarchy can't last in the real world. Free markets will cease to exist after quick consolidation of companies.

Libertarian Anarchism: Responses to Ten Objections by Roderick T. Long

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"What's wrong with a shoe monopoly?[/FONT]"

Stopped reading when he gave an example of "shoe makers" for his monopoly argument. Most of his arguments are dumb and impractical, but I am not surprised this is the best "resource" you have in your arsenal.

The real rape begins when those with the real power consolidate (banks, security agencies, etc.)

I'm don't endorse many actions of the governments, but it is all about choosing the lesser evil.

You guys are so out of touch with reality that you want to destroy the system just because some private companies are able to take advantage of it.

In your country, dreamers such as Hans hoppe, Lew Rockwell have the freedom to speak whatever they want to, even if that is entirely bullshit. Have them say all that in Thailand or China, I can promise you 100% they will be either shot or arrested on treason charges, maybe given the lethal injection.