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lukep said:
So.... Seasteading then? Surely something can be done that is more effective than internally perfecting myself & yapping about it on a forum.
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You intentinally didn't understand me to keep this thread going, but I'll play :)

It's all in the heads of people. Government is not the problem, it's the physical manifestation (consequence) of people's minds. How those minds got shaped is another story and irrelevant - they are what they are and for the sake of peace and freedom they need changing.

It's 80/20 - 20% of people will need to see the reality and act on it for the 80% to adapt to the new reality (as they always do - they have no major principles they just go along to get along)

Be the 1% to influence the 20% and you'll see the changes - mind you it might not happen in your lifetime, but it probably will in your children's lifetimes.

PLA.
 


If a corporation owns the only road outside my house, how will free market prevent it from blackmailing me when i want to use the road (or utilities under the road)?
 
hehejo said:
Then they will make a new competitor really happy that will sell for a fraction of their artificial price.
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Aren't you assuming ease of entry and exit?
What about Capital intensive industry? By the time the infrastructure is built, they too will join in the price fixing.

Are we also assuming that all players will act ethical and honest without regulation or oversight? Does "Anarchy" assume self regulation or some sort of code of honor? or are we once again talking about the "long run" again, since I was not yet corrected from earlier, where 20-50 years may be lost until the market corrects with new competitors?

What if I own the only major port within reason for a particular distribution channel and I decide to contract with Wal-Mart and exclude all others? Must the society then wait until a new port or other ingenious method of distribution comes along to compete with my port? Once again this is a long run argument and is the answer "Sucks To Be You" for the generation that lives during the monopoly?
 
There's a million monopoly scenarios honestly and it's a bit sad that people here haven't thought this through enough to realize that. The easiest monopolies to envision are the ones were you're dealing with a limited resource, land, strategic location, access point, etc that is bought up by one or even a few different companies.

But prove me wrong people. Quit whining about the gov and go form an anarchy. I'll join it if you can magically pull unlimited resources, land, and strategic locations out of your ass infinitely. That'd be a cool trick.
 
Eves said:
If a corporation owns the only road outside my house, how will free market prevent it from blackmailing me when i want to use the road (or utilities under the road)?
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If a corporation overcharges too much in that scenario, people :

- will move away
- won't want to move there
- won't want to visit
- will put more effort into creating flying cars
 
Moxie said:
If a corporation overcharges too much in that scenario, people :

- will move away
- won't want to move there
- won't want to visit
- will put more effort into creating flying cars
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more suffering for the "sucks to be you" generation(s) and the
long run" - tell me again why this is such a great option?
 
I like how you define "western civilization" as the clusterfuck inbred nation you retards live in. Meanwhile, other western nations have been ticking over very well with none of the retarded bullshit that seems to derive from your so-called terrorism and war. You guys have become frightened into submission by those terrorists you squawk about so much and blame everything on. Also, give up the war on drugs because clearly, like so many other misguided fights you've picked, are destined to fail and sweep it under the carpet. I fear there is no going back for the shell of a nation your country has become, enjoy prison keyboard warriors.
 
REIMktg said:
more suffering for the "sucks to be you" generation(s) and the
long run" - tell me again why this is such a great option?
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The point is that there would be about as much reason for the road corporation to do that as there would be for Domino's to start charging 50 bucks for a pizza.
 
An atheist, communist, ACLU lawyer professor was teaching a class on Karl Marx. “Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and accept that Marx was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, greater than Jesus Christ!” At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL stood up, holding a rock. “How old is this rock, professor?” The arrogant professor smirked and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian.” “Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now.” The professor was visibly shaken. He dropped his chalk and stormed out of the classroom. The students applauded and all registered Republican. An eagle flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. That flag waves until this day, despite the lack of wind in the classroom. Semper Fi.
 
Moxie said:
The point is that there would be about as much reason for the road corporation to do that as there would be for Domino's to start charging 50 bucks for a pizza.
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Now we are back to some sort of "honor" or "logic" to the behavior of others.

There could be a million reasons, maybe they want to stop the person from competing against a friend of theirs. Maybe they just want to be a dick. Who knows, but that corporation will be full of bureaucrats who could have any number of grievances against me. Maybe one of them likes my house and wants me to abandon it so they can live near "their" road.
 
REIMktg said:
Does "Anarchy" assume self regulation or some sort of code of honor?
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No, anarchy in and of itself simply means without rulers, nothing more nothing less. Voluntaryists/anarcho-capitalists as I've learned believe in anarchy except with an additional stipulation, the non-aggression principle. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

REIMktg said:
What if I own the only major port within reason for a particular distribution channel and I decide to contract with Wal-Mart and exclude all others? Must the society then wait until a new port or other ingenious method of distribution comes along to compete with my port? Once again this is a long run argument and is the answer "Sucks To Be You" for the generation that lives during the monopoly?
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First before even bothering with this scenario, what is your stance on the non-aggression principle? For me, I believe in it. So consequentialism is meaningless because it's akin to the argument people made like "who will pick the cotton if we end slavery?", "who will set these women straight if we stop beating them?", "What if {insert immoral practice}, and ____?"

In this case, "What if we removed a group of armed thugs known as the state who thieve, kidnap and murder peaceful individuals on a routine basis, and a port owner decides to only do business with walmart?"

If you recognize the state for what it is, then these obscure "long run" arguments are irrelevant.
 
REIMktg said:
There could be a million reasons, maybe they want to stop the person from competing against a friend of theirs. Maybe they just want to be a dick. Who knows, but that corporation will be full of bureaucrats who could have any number of grievances against me. Maybe one of them likes my house and wants me to abandon it so they can live near "their" road.
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There could be a million reasons, maybe the Government wants to stop the person from competing against a friend of theirs. Maybe the Government just wants to be a dick. Who knows, but the Government is full of bureaucrats who could have any number of grievances against me. Maybe one of them likes my house and wants me to abandon it so they can live near "their" road.
 
REIMktg said:
There could be a million reasons, maybe they want to stop the person from competing against a friend of theirs. Maybe they just want to be a dick. Who knows, but that corporation will be full of bureaucrats who could have any number of grievances against me. Maybe one of them likes my house and wants me to abandon it so they can live near "their" road.
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Come to think of it, I can't think of a single case of a corporate bureaucrat They're all too busy making tons of money to be involved in the business of making red tape.

Now what was the thing that creates and fosters bureaucrats? I forget...
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE9NGOgdrIo]Ayn Rand explains why monopolies are impossible in a truly free market system - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfZ6lljnHZw]Alan Greenspan's 'The Assault on Integrity' from Ayn Rand's 'Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal' - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8FTRZ__608]Alan Greenspan's 'Antitrust' from Ayn Rands 'Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal' - YouTube[/ame]
 
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