rofl, how is an illegal immigrant making $4-6/hour going to come up with $50 to bribe a police officer?
Let me drop a grenade in the room
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If a significantly higher percentage of an ethnicity are here illegally when compared to another ethnicity, then I don't see the problem with focusing your efforts on the one a higher illegal %
That's not racial profiling, that's using logic.
It's a similar situation to "racial profiling" against muslims in airports after 9/11. Sure, it's politically correct to check as many 80 year old grandmas as you do middle age muslims, but it's retarded as hell.
Are we assuming he got pulled over? If so, I'm sure his 8 friends in the car can help pool together $50.
By saving two days worth of pay and carrying that cash around just for that specific situation.
Besides, if bribing ever becomes widespread, it will be more like 2-3 cops rounding up 10-20 illegals and getting a nice lump sum from the entire group. Another alternative is to take bribes from employers.
Some guy stops at the corner and loads up his pickup truck with illegals. He gets pulled over right away, and then the cops get money from him. It just becomes a cost of doing business.
If mentality of the population regarding bribes changes, there will always be a way to make it work.
how would things have gone if you had left your drivers license or id in your other pants at home by mistake and gotten hauled into the police station and been treated like an illegal immigrant? If they stopped listening to you because they assumed you were an illegal immigrant. Most people might tend to get a bit mad at that point. And the police's reaction to you or anyone in that position getting mad would be to push back harder.
Before you and Hellblazer call me a fucking liberal, I think there needs to be some house cleaning as well. I just think your statement that you didn't get mad about being pulled over because you are a law abiding citizen only works when you happen to have proof of being a citizen. If for some reason a legal citizen of Mexican descent, or someone who could be seen as a Mexican fails to produce their id, shit can go bad real quick.
Before you and Hellblazer call me a fucking liberal, I think there needs to be some house cleaning as well. I just think your statement that you didn't get mad about being pulled over because you are a law abiding citizen only works when you happen to have proof of being a citizen. If for some reason a legal citizen of Mexican descent, or someone who could be seen as a Mexican fails to produce their id, shit can go bad real quick.
Who gives a fuck, seriously? I say with all the shit that is going on down there, that they should racial profile their asses off, until they get that shit cleaned up.
As Americans we are entitled to certain liberties, I understand that. But, I seriously doubt that the people that are indeed citizens, and legal are going to be pissed off if some cop walks up and says "excuse me, can I see some identification?" More than likely, they will take it as an inconvenience, maybe mumble under their breath or whatever, but 5 minutes later, they will have completely forgotten about it.
Up until this point, it's for the most part been illegal for the cops to even fucking ask if they are here legally or not, and even if they knew they were illegal, there really wasn't a whole hell of a lot they could do.
Just like every other situation though, a certain percentage of the "problem", wants to be retarded, and kill people, steal shit, be violent, and draw attention to themselves. Nobody gave a shit when their were trucks full of Mexicans being taken to the local farm for the day, but when a shit load of bodies start turning up, and illegals pretty much start taking over border towns, it's time for something to be done.
What the fuck are they supposed to do, only ask questions, when they find a Mexican standing over a dead body, or only when they pull a car over, and 10 Mexicans jump out of the trunk?
America is getting more and more retarded with each day that passes, because as the years go on, more and more people are getting to be such fucking pussified little bitches, who are afraid to offend or inconvenience someone, even if the result is getting a killer off the street, or making a town a little safer for the families that belong there.
As Americans we are entitled to certain liberties, I understand that. But, I seriously doubt that the people that are indeed citizens, and legal are going to be pissed off if some cop walks up and says "excuse me, can I see some identification?" More than likely, they will take it as an inconvenience, maybe mumble under their breath or whatever, but 5 minutes later, they will have completely forgotten about it.
Up until this point, it's for the most part been illegal for the cops to even fucking ask if they are here legally or not, and even if they knew they were illegal, there really wasn't a whole hell of a lot they could do.
Just like every other situation though, a certain percentage of the "problem", wants to be retarded, and kill people, steal shit, be violent, and draw attention to themselves. Nobody gave a shit when their were trucks full of Mexicans being taken to the local farm for the day, but when a shit load of bodies start turning up, and illegals pretty much start taking over border towns, it's time for something to be done.
What the fuck are they supposed to do, only ask questions, when they find a Mexican standing over a dead body, or only when they pull a car over, and 10 Mexicans jump out of the trunk?
America is getting more and more retarded with each day that passes, because as the years go on, more and more people are getting to be such fucking pussified little bitches, who are afraid to offend or inconvenience someone, even if the result is getting a killer off the street, or making a town a little safer for the families that belong there.
^^^^^^^^This.
Really? If somebody just "happened" to have no identification on them? And then on top of that, their perfect English and willingness to help resolve the situation absolutely convinced the police they were an illegal alien? And then on top of that, the police would supposedly what? Stop talking to them? Yeah, I could really see that happening and I could really see a normal person flipping out instead of calmly waiting for the situation to be resolved.
There's tons of ways of verifying information, besides having documents on you. They're cops, they have access to certain tools. As for this law, to me it seems like using a hatchet instead of a scalpel. But Arizona is partially doing it out of anger at Washington for not controlling the border. They're on the frontlines, they're the ones getting their cops killed, you hear stories everyday of ranchers on the border having violent clashes, and I don't blame them one second for trying to send a message.
Really? If somebody just "happened" to have no identification on them? And then on top of that, their perfect English and willingness to help resolve the situation absolutely convinced the police they were an illegal alien? And then on top of that, the police would supposedly what? Stop talking to them? Yeah, I could really see that happening and I could really see a normal person flipping out instead of calmly waiting for the situation to be resolved.
There's tons of ways of verifying information, besides having documents on you. They're cops, they have access to certain tools. As for this law, to me it seems like using a hatchet instead of a scalpel. But Arizona is partially doing it out of anger at Washington for not controlling the border. They're on the frontlines, they're the ones getting their cops killed, you hear stories everyday of ranchers on the border having violent clashes, and I don't blame them one second for trying to send a message.
Not having your Drivers license on you while you are driving a car is ILLEGAL. I'm almost certain that it is also illegal to not have some sort of Identification on you as well. So, legally the police would have a right to arrest you illegal immigrant or not.
Normally, it would probably only be a ticket or some sort of summons to bring your license to court or whatever, but because these fucking retards can't stay in their own country, the legal citizens of the state are also going to have to be inconvenienced to get the problem cleaned up.
I used the term racial profiling in the context that the mass media uses it in:
Racial Profiling = Racism
If your trying to combat illegal immigration, then I don't think it's racist to target ethnic groups that make up the majority of illegal immigration.
The real question should be, who cares?
2 weeks ago, where I live, there were several attempted kidnappings around the local schools. The only description that the police had was a 25 - 30 year old white male wearing Jeans, a green Celtics jersey, and a hat.
As a result, I saw at least 30 random white guys stopped and questioned near my sons school. The cops were doing their jobs, trying to protect the innocent, and questioning the people that "fit the bill".
In this case, the suspect is a Mexican. What would you like them to do?
When illegals lose jobs like even low paying jobs it is a fallacy that legal Americans would not work there.
This is less than a week ago.
Case in point:
Hundreds seek to fill vacant positions at Pro's Ranch Market | Phoenix News | Arizona News | azfamily.com | Arizona News
This law is very good and Arizona is a stand up state for saying it how it is.
This is less than a week ago.
Case in point:
Hundreds seek to fill vacant positions at Pro's Ranch Market | Phoenix News | Arizona News | azfamily.com | Arizona News
This law is very good and Arizona is a stand up state for saying it how it is.
Take a nation like Israel where they literally live or die by their security measures. Do you think they're scoping out the Danish grandmas? Of course not - it's only in nations like this that we have the luxury to debate such foolishness.
No shit, I can hear some of these morons now!
BREAKING NEWS: A middle eastern man has run into a mosque in downtown New York after it was discovered that he was carrying a nuclear bomb in a book bag. The police have entered the mosque, and are not allowing anyone to leave until they are searched to make sure the bomb doesn't leave the building!
Al Sharpton: They can't do that! That's racial profiling!
FUCKING IDIOTS.
Racism is racism. Racial profiling is racial profiling. Different things.
At its core, your statement is really about not having the balls to admit what you stand for without trying to re-define the unpopular terminology.
If you said "yep, it's racial profiling, but fuck, it gets the job done and doesn't affect me personally, so I'm all for it." (as others have done in this thread) -- then I would at least respect your position.
But trying to call it something else is lame.
Let me rephrase it for you a bit:
If you are trying to combat crime, then I don't think it's racist to target ethnic groups that make up the majority of offenders.
Sounds familiar?
It took decades to get over that one. With a bunch of people still supporting the idea of racial profiling for general law enforcement. (And only a few of them are actually admitting it. Most of the supporters are pussies like yourself, and try hard to give it a different name.)
In general, I think it stems from inability to imagine yourself in other people's shoes and the subsequent urge to justify that inability.
That's canvassing, not profiling.
Just like if you say that you just saw 3 Mexicans "jump over the fence" and run towards "such and such", then it would provide a reason for the police to check anyone who fits the description of being Mexican and is found near that location.
But automatically assuming that an entire ethnic group is guilty is not the same thing.
Luckily, there are many mexicans seen jumping the fence each and every day, so the local law enforcement should be covered.
So, knowing for a FACT that there are a large number of Mexicans in Arizona illegally, doesn't give them the right to question Mexicans about whether or not they are indeed there legally?
Nobody is assuming that "mexicans" are guilty. However, it is known as fact that Mexicans are entering places like Texas and Arizona illegally in large numbers, each and every day. So, how do you propose that the local authorities protect the citizens of those 2 states?
Yep, if they set up watch posts, then it would be perfectly fine.
That's where it gets blurry. Just like probable cause, presumption of innocence is a very important concept. It is what makes a difference between a free society and a police state.
You should never have to prove that you are innocent. Not under any circumstances. In this case, no one should have to prove they didn't break the (immigration) law.
The only time you need to prove (or at least allow to determine) that you are innocent is when the authorities have probable cause against you personally.
Which leads me to my very first post.
As for the racial aspect of it, here is something to consider:
You probably wouldn't want presumption of innocence stripped away completely, right? Yet, you think it's acceptable to strip it from some people of a particular ethnic group in a narrow context.
Well, that is what turns it into racial (profiling).