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Abby Martin is a "journalist" on RT, so right there her credibility is out the window.

I've listened to plenty of her stuff, and she covers a wide range of topics. Most of what she has to say is level headed.

Also, she has been on RT's shit list for condemning Putin very recently.

She was a 9/11 truther and had said "I’ve researched it for three years and every single thing that I uncover solidifies my belief that it was an inside job and that our government was complicit in what happened." oh and now she "no longer subscribes" to the fact that 9/11 was an inside job. Three years down the drain I guess :)

So her position changed on a topic? How is this relevant to anything? Our opinions change from time to time..

None the less I tried to listen to what she had to say, but within 5 mins had to switch it off. Between her stoner way of speaking (interspersed with 'fucking' here and 'fucking' there) all I was hearing from her is the same old bullshit lines that I am hearing over and over. She even denies that Hamas uses human shields, cummon. Go look at her twitter for objective journalism.

The swearing thing is irrelevant (though a welcomed difference from standard fake journalists), but seriously.. You have the "same old bullshit lines" that are espoused on a far greater base on pro-Israel side, occurring every day on mainstream news in the US.

Her position and take on it is certainly in the minority in terms of exposure. So if we're going to bash ideas on the basis of how often they're espoused, you have to take sides against the Israel worshiping that's far more present here in the US.
 
I've listened to plenty of her stuff, and she covers a wide range of topics. Most of what she has to say is level headed.

Also, she has been on RT's shit list for condemning Putin very recently.

So her position changed on a topic? How is this relevant to anything? Our opinions change from time to time..

The swearing thing is irrelevant (though a welcomed difference from standard fake journalists), but seriously.. You have the "same old bullshit lines" that are espoused on a far greater base on pro-Israel side, occurring every day on mainstream news in the US.

Her position and take on it is certainly in the minority in terms of exposure. So if we're going to bash ideas on the basis of how often they're espoused, you have to take sides against the Israel worshiping that's far more present here in the US.

She's a conspiracy nut stoner whose logic facilities don't work quite right. I think I'd take what she says with a pinch of salt if I were you.

What is it with people posting stuff like RT and The Young Turks on here like these are proper news outlets who give unbiased facts? These are like comic strips for little kids to be spoon fed other peoples opinions dressed up as news. A bit like Fox News, but for people with an even shorter attention span.
 
Jon Voight Pens Letter to 'Ignorant' Javier Bardem, Penelope Cruz on Israel: 'Hang Your Heads in Shame'

The actor urges colleagues to "examine their motives," asking "Can you take back the fire of anti-Semitism that is raging all over the world now?"

My name is Jon Voight and I am more than angry, I am heartsick that people like Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem could incite anti-Semitism all over the world and are oblivious to the damage they have caused.
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They are obviously ignorant of the whole story of Israel’s birth, when in 1948 the Jewish people were offered by the UN a portion of the land originally set aside for them in 1921, and the Arab Palestinians were offered the other half. The Arabs rejected the offer, and the Jews accepted, only to be attacked by five surrounding Arab countries committed to driving them into the sea. But the Israelis won. The Arabs tried it again in 1967, and again in 1973, launching a sneak attack on the holiest Jewish holiday. Each time the Jews prevailed but not without great loss of life. And when Israel was not fighting a major war, it was defending itself against terrorist campaigns.
And yet Israel has always labored for a peaceful relation with its Arab neighbors. It voluntarily returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in return for peace, and gave the Palestinians all of Gaza as a peace gesture. What was the response? The Palestinians elected Hamas, a terrorist organization, and they immediately began firing thousands of rockets into Israel.
After years of trying to make peace, the wars they had to fight, being attacked by their enemies, and still being attacked, and finally after years of running into bomb shelters and having hundreds of civilians killed by suicide bombers, civilians being killed in their sleep, stabbed to pieces, finding enough is enough and finally retaliating, instead of my peers sticking up for the only democratic country in that region, they go and take out poison letters against them.
You have forgotten how this war started. Did Hamas not kidnap and kill three young teenagers for the sake of killing, and celebrated after the killing? What a travesty of justice.
I am asking all my peers who signed that poison letter against Israel to examine their motives. Can you take back the fire of anti-Semitism that is raging all over the world now?
You have been able to become famous and have all your monetary gains because you are in a democratic country: America. Do you think you would have been able to accomplish this in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, et cetera? You had a great responsibility to use your celebrity for good. Instead, you have defamed the only democratic country of goodwill in the Middle East: Israel.
You should hang your heads in shame. You should all come forth with deep regrets for what you did, and ask forgiveness from the suffering people in Israel.

Jon Voight Pens Letter to 'Ignorant' Javier Bardem, Penelope Cruz on Israel: 'Hang Your Heads in Shame' (Guest Column)

Respect.
 
Jon Voight Pens Letter to 'Ignorant' Javier Bardem, Penelope Cruz on Israel: 'Hang Your Heads in Shame'

The actor urges colleagues to "examine their motives," asking "Can you take back the fire of anti-Semitism that is raging all over the world now?"

My name is Jon Voight and I am more than angry, I am heartsick that people like Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem could incite anti-Semitism all over the world and are oblivious to the damage they have caused.

They are obviously ignorant of the whole story of Israel’s birth, when in 1948 the Jewish people were offered by the UN a portion of the land originally set aside for them in 1921, and the Arab Palestinians were offered the other half. The Arabs rejected the offer, and the Jews accepted, only to be attacked by five surrounding Arab countries committed to driving them into the sea. But the Israelis won. The Arabs tried it again in 1967, and again in 1973, launching a sneak attack on the holiest Jewish holiday. Each time the Jews prevailed but not without great loss of life. And when Israel was not fighting a major war, it was defending itself against terrorist campaigns.
And yet Israel has always labored for a peaceful relation with its Arab neighbors. It voluntarily returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in return for peace, and gave the Palestinians all of Gaza as a peace gesture. What was the response? The Palestinians elected Hamas, a terrorist organization, and they immediately began firing thousands of rockets into Israel.

After years of trying to make peace, the wars they had to fight, being attacked by their enemies, and still being attacked, and finally after years of running into bomb shelters and having hundreds of civilians killed by suicide bombers, civilians being killed in their sleep, stabbed to pieces, finding enough is enough and finally retaliating, instead of my peers sticking up for the only democratic country in that region, they go and take out poison letters against them.

You have forgotten how this war started. Did Hamas not kidnap and kill three young teenagers for the sake of killing, and celebrated after the killing? What a travesty of justice.

I am asking all my peers who signed that poison letter against Israel to examine their motives. Can you take back the fire of anti-Semitism that is raging all over the world now?

You have been able to become famous and have all your monetary gains because you are in a democratic country: America. Do you think you would have been able to accomplish this in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, et cetera? You had a great responsibility to use your celebrity for good. Instead, you have defamed the only democratic country of goodwill in the Middle East: Israel.

You should hang your heads in shame. You should all come forth with deep regrets for what you did, and ask forgiveness from the suffering people in Israel.

Respect. Lots of people have no idea on Palestine/Israel history, they just chant "FREE FREE PALESTINE", especially those hippies probably dont even know what year Israel was founded.

Btw whats up, cant post proper links to source without approvals?

hollywoodreporter.com/news/jon-voight-pens-letter-ignorant-723007
 
...like these are proper news outlets who give unbiased facts?

I don't know shit about RT (or that chick), but I'm curious to hear who are these "proper news outlets who give unbiased facts" you allude to. Links please.

...but when asked they say "I have nothing against Jews" or "I have a lot of Jewish friends".

You do know that people can hate the actions of a country without hating the citizens of that country, right?

I'm a citizen of the US, yet I despise much of the foreign policy of the US Government. So...I must be anti-American and hate Americans? lolwut?

You guys gotta quit with calling people Anti-Semites anytime the actions of the Israeli government is criticized, or you'll never be taken seriously.
 
She's a conspiracy nut stoner whose logic facilities don't work quite right. I think I'd take what she says with a pinch of salt if I were you.

Many conspiracy theories have come true, so I don't really see much of a problem with a person who entertains them. Besides, once you realize we live in a massive conspiracy known as the state and that it's supposedly not for our own good, it kind of makes it easier to believe in all of the other evil, fucked up shit governments can and will do.

What is it with people posting stuff like RT and The Young Turks on here like these are proper news outlets who give unbiased facts? These are like comic strips for little kids to be spoon fed other peoples opinions dressed up as news. A bit like Fox News, but for people with an even shorter attention span.

What is a "proper news outlet"? If Fox and CNN are what constitutes a "proper network", I'd prefer to stay away from them as much as possible.

And no, unlike Fox, Abby's program "Breaking the set" focuses on serious topics and abstains from covering bullshit like Beiber. To try and equate her show with Fox is silly, have you watched any of her shows? Something tells me you haven't if you'd say that.
 
Well, that's because they're not a country. they know that under the international law if they were a country they would get wiped out,

According to "international law", they are a country.

Palestinians win implicit U.N. recognition of sovereign state | Reuters



Take care all, no hard feeling ofc :)

Good luck bro. :)



Abby Martin is a "journalist" on RT, so right there her credibility is out the window.

Maybe, but that also doesn't automatically mean that anything she says is false.

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Rough Stuff. Serious Issue. And so much more we don't know. Learned much from the video and the input, for what it's worth, here.
 
This is amazing. Thanks for sharing it.

abby martin? the propagandist for putin? this al quida cunt blames 9-11 on us.. hates israel with a passion..

i listened to the link.. that bitch actually tried to translate what the president of iran said several years ago. saying that he actually didnt call for wiping out israel.. i fucken speak farsi THAT IS EXACTLY what he said.. i love how this bitch has enough balls that she translates a langauge she doesnt even speak and sais NO NO thats not what the terrorist leader of iran said.. what he meant to say was this..

this bitch is now a spokesperson for the mullahs saying how they dont want to destroy israel.. how the fuck can any of you take her serously is beyond me.. no wonder israel has to fight an uphill battle.. the poeple who hate israel are the same assholes who listen to this al quida wanna be bitch.
 
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THIS IS THE POEPLE who israel has to face.. this is what will happen to women and children in israel if the IDF ever stands down or loses 1 war to these islamists.. There is no difference between hamas.. hizbollah... isis.. al quida.. open your fucken eyes people.. dont be a liberal euro douchbag that blames the west for these crazed religious fucks..
 
abby martin? the propagandist for putin? this al quida cunt blames 9-11 on us.. hates israel with a passion..

i listened to the link.. that bitch actually tried to translate what the president of iran said several years ago. saying that he actually didnt call for wiping out israel.. i fucken speak farsi THAT IS EXACTLY what he said.. i love how this bitch has enough balls that she translates a langauge she doesnt even speak and sais NO NO thats not what the terrorist leader of iran said.. what he meant to say was this..

this bitch is now a spokesperson for the mullahs saying how they dont want to destroy israel.. how the fuck can any of you take her serously is beyond me.. no wonder israel has to fight an uphill battle.. the poeple who hate israel are the same assholes who listen to this al quida wanna be bitch.
I speak farsi too, and I can say with confidence you are the biggest dipshit in this thread. You have reached unparalleled levels of imbecility with your moronic responses, and it seems you use your hatred of all muslims to justify occupation and wholesale slaughter of human beings. People like you are the enemy of objective and rational thinking.

As for Ahmadinejad's comments, are you sure you heard the original? He did not call for the genocide or destruction of the Israel. This is the real translation:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

He was of course referencing a speech made by the late ayatollah. There's a huge difference between this and what the media made him out to say. But alas, this is a seperate issue altogether and as I said before, you keep mixing these different issues in the region and using it to justify the killing of innocent people. You are so typical of the average idiot that listens to CNN and Fox.
 
Tony, you don't realize that we were attacked on 9/11 due to blowback? You don't seriously think we were attacked for "our freedoms" do you?
 
I speak farsi too, and I can say with confidence you are the biggest dipshit in this thread. You have reached unparalleled levels of imbecility with your moronic responses, and it seems you use your hatred of all muslims to justify occupation and wholesale slaughter of human beings. People like you are the enemy of objective and rational thinking.

As for Ahmadinejad's comments, are you sure you heard the original? He did not call for the genocide or destruction of the Israel. This is the real translation:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

He was of course referencing a speech made by the late ayatollah. There's a huge difference between this and what the media made him out to say. But alas, this is a seperate issue altogether and as I said before, you keep mixing these different issues in the region and using it to justify the killing of innocent people. You are so typical of the average idiot that listens to CNN and Fox.

you think im a fucking idiot ? YOU THINK if the mullahs ever reach israel and there is NO IDF to defend israel that they arent going to destroy tel eve? and israel? That if nothing stands in the mullahs way.. in hamas way.. that if nothing stansd in al aquida way.. that if nothing stands in ISIS way that that when they reach tel eve they arent going to destroy it?

who the fuck you think your playinig around with? you lying ass muslim dog think you can pass this bullshit off to westerners and because they dont know better they believe the crap you sell them.. and you are trying to pass this akhoonds in iran DIDNT actually say what I SAW WITH MY OWN FUCKEN EYES SAY??

you have one fucken nerve telling me i didnt see what i saw in iran.. you want try and pull the wool over westerners eyes over your fiflthy religion go right ahead. dont fucken try to pull that shit by me..

trying to tell me the mullahs dont want israel destroyed and sais it with a stright face.. fucken nerve of this guy
 
Tony, you don't realize that we were attacked on 9/11 due to blowback? You don't seriously think we were attacked for "our freedoms" do you?

yes ron pual fan we were attacked cause of blow back.. islamic militancy in 60 different countreis that have NOTHING to do with israel is a figment of my imagination.. 90 percent of all terrorist since 9-11 in 60 different countries causing hundresd of thousands of death is a figment of my imagination.. no wait.. its blow back..

im sure the chines facing an islamic insurgency in there country now is also BLOWBLACK.. basically if you do anything to piss off muslims or dont give them there own islamic country in yoru backyard its BLOWBACK.
 
I don't know shit about RT (or that chick), but I'm curious to hear who are these "proper news outlets who give unbiased facts" you allude to. Links please.

What I was alluding to was news outlets who read the fucking news, instead of telling us what we should be believing. Ok I give you that nowadays its very very hard to find total impartiality for some reason, with even the BBC often slanting certain reporting towards a bias. But its NOTHING like the US media who aren't even ashamed to say they are totally biased.

But the comical stylings of "news" outlets like RT and YT are just a whole different ball game. They dumb the news down so much that my 3 year old would raise a single eyebrow if I dared to interrupt Thomas the Tank Engine with it.

Give me a reporter sitting behind a desk telling me the facts of what happened, I have zero interest in their opinion or the opinion of their masters.

You do know that people can hate the actions of a country without hating the citizens of that country, right?

I'm a citizen of the US, yet I despise much of the foreign policy of the US Government. So...I must be anti-American and hate Americans? lolwut?

You guys gotta quit with calling people Anti-Semites anytime the actions of the Israeli government is criticized, or you'll never be taken seriously.

You are mistaking what I am calling anti-semitical. The criticism of Israel in itself is not anti-semitical, but the criticism of Israel ALONE is. No one can truthfully answer why social media is COVERED with anti-Israel rhetoric, but I see practically no criticism of Asad. Where is the horror and outrage and protesting at Hamas? ISIS, Boko Haram? Where was the protesting of the white europeans to Sadam's gassing of the Kurds?

Now I know your common man doesn't have the intelligence to discern when they are being spoon fed lies and propaganda and how very anti-semitical this singling out of one peoples actually is, but those who are driving the agenda certainly do.

Also the real anti-semitism I am referring to can be seen on the streets, with the protestors, their chants of "death to Jews", their placards, their attacking Jews for being Jews. This is basically the start of a Pogrom and guess what, the liberals are standing by and doing nothing, with some of them even joining in. Whether you support the protestors position or not, if you allow these actions to go on within your own streets and not protest right back and/or protect your fellow citizens, well guess what you are anti-semitical.

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So go ahead you have the full right to criticise as anyone does, but look at whats going on around the world today and ask yourself truthfully "why is it I am ONLY protesting Israel?" Why is the worlds media concentrated on Israel and not other places evenly, where the death tolls are significantly higher and the regimes massively more brutal?

Jews have been hated throughout history and to tell you the truth most of them don't have a fucking iota of a clue why. But hearing the current rhetoric I can totally see where the seeds of this hatred come from. Propaganda and lies.

When a seemingly liberal person starts putting swastikas on their FB wall and don't see why there is any problem with that, then you can see the scary road we are currently going down.