I lied... I choose peace and dogs. Yeah.. humans are fucked up animals. Dogs should be put in charge. Killer whales too, those guys are bad ass!
Life in Occupied Palestine
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It's all fucked. Don't get all self righteous because Israel has killed 1200 in the last 2 or 3 weeks. ISIS managed to do that in one lazy sunny afternoon, and has done that many times over and over again, executing thousands of young men that just want to collect a government paycheque and who aren't really interested in fighting. Instead they go en masse to their ditch to get a bullet in the back of the head because they haven't got the guts to stand up for themselves.
Burgundy, mass conflict/civil unrest, more than 1000 deaths per year. Orange, minor conflict, less than 1000 per year. Numbers are most likely under reported. The map doesn't even indicate where the combatants that are dying are coming from, otherwise highlight most of the other western nations as those that have lost thousands to armed conflict as well.
Fuck Israel, fuck Palestine, fuck everyone. Make money and try to live a happy life and hope that the world doesn't reach that tipping point.
Burgundy, mass conflict/civil unrest, more than 1000 deaths per year. Orange, minor conflict, less than 1000 per year. Numbers are most likely under reported. The map doesn't even indicate where the combatants that are dying are coming from, otherwise highlight most of the other western nations as those that have lost thousands to armed conflict as well.
Fuck Israel, fuck Palestine, fuck everyone. Make money and try to live a happy life and hope that the world doesn't reach that tipping point.
There is so much hatred in those regions, its beyond belief. Fighting over the same shit day in and day out.
They need to chill and have a drink and watch some porn.
They need to chill and have a drink and watch some porn.
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And it seems weird as a non jew/muslim that our (US) leaders answer to Israel rather than the other way around when we give them money, weapons, technology, etc yearly and we can't tell them to chill out without being "against Israel".
It seems fucked up that the Palestinians are landlocked and can't go anywhere if they wanted, regardless of what I think of Palestinians or Jews.
And it seems weird as a non jew/muslim that our (US) leaders answer to Israel rather than the other way around when we give them money, weapons, technology, etc yearly and we can't tell them to chill out without being "against Israel".
^ Yeah and congress and everyone else making decisions that matter.
LiveLeak.com - Israel has a right to defend itself
Death toll is one thing but I imagine there are plenty more who wish they'd have died, I mean what the fuck do you do with that wound in video in a 3rd world country? Hospitals? Surgeons?
LiveLeak.com - Israel has a right to defend itself
Death toll is one thing but I imagine there are plenty more who wish they'd have died, I mean what the fuck do you do with that wound in video in a 3rd world country? Hospitals? Surgeons?
More muslims have been killed in syria or sudan or iraq or somolia or host of other places then have died in gaza.. but why is those places almost never talked about unless someone is posting a execution video or happen to across an article...
Israel invades gaza to fight hamas.. and you have twitter accounts, facebook fights.. rhianna .. javier bardem.. penepe cruz.. etc etc.. all talkign about it.. posts are created on this forum bashing israel.. how palastanians are victims.. etc..
Why is that you think? certainly the thousands of muslims civilians that died in syria arent worth any less then the gazans?
the answer is for a LONG LONG LONG TIME.. jews have been victims of evil people in this world without an ability to fight back.. when the black pleague hit europe.. jews were slaughtered as they were blamed... the holocaust.. the 1 million jews that have been forced out of arab countries....
see as a society we see jews as victims.. a tribe to pity.. to feel sorry for.. a comment by some European liberal family watching the news on local european news channel showing jews getting slaughtered.. " oh thats terrible" oh those poor poeple... but in essense always the victims..
THEN BAM... the IDF came around.. sophistated fighting machines... with state of the art drones.. planes.. tanks.. fighting doctrine.. when the arabs invaded so many times to slaughter the jews.. the jews NO LONGER PLAYED VICTIMS... now they were the agressors.. you bloodied a jews nose.. hed shoot you in the fucking head..
and thats hard for the average person who just wants to see the jews as victims so he can feel sorry for them... suddenly.. the jew in israel is NO LONGER A VICTIM.. he is mean tough fighting machine.. an arab muslim killing machine.. and that rubs people the wrong way..
if instead of 1300 gaza dead.. it was 1300 jews dead... all you would get is.. oh those poor jews.. why dont poeple just leave them alone.. someone to pity feel sorry for..
but not anymore.. the jews in israel are no longer poeple you pity.. they are a force to be reckon with.. you kill one of them they will kill 20 of you.. and thats hard for people to accept.. a strong tough nation of jews.. something like that hasnt existed for thousands of years.. but i for one im glad that it does..
NO MORE FUCKING WITH JEWS... you dont want to get your ass droned? dont send out a suicide bomber.. simple as that.
The jews in israel say.. " DONT FUCKEN FEEL SORRY FOR ME WHILE MY FAMILY IS MARCHED TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS.. I DONT NEED YOUR FUCKING PITTY.. WHAT I WANT IS YOUR RESPECT AND TO STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY OR IM GONNA PUT A JEWISH BULLET IN YOUR ASS"
Israel invades gaza to fight hamas.. and you have twitter accounts, facebook fights.. rhianna .. javier bardem.. penepe cruz.. etc etc.. all talkign about it.. posts are created on this forum bashing israel.. how palastanians are victims.. etc..
Why is that you think? certainly the thousands of muslims civilians that died in syria arent worth any less then the gazans?
the answer is for a LONG LONG LONG TIME.. jews have been victims of evil people in this world without an ability to fight back.. when the black pleague hit europe.. jews were slaughtered as they were blamed... the holocaust.. the 1 million jews that have been forced out of arab countries....
see as a society we see jews as victims.. a tribe to pity.. to feel sorry for.. a comment by some European liberal family watching the news on local european news channel showing jews getting slaughtered.. " oh thats terrible" oh those poor poeple... but in essense always the victims..
THEN BAM... the IDF came around.. sophistated fighting machines... with state of the art drones.. planes.. tanks.. fighting doctrine.. when the arabs invaded so many times to slaughter the jews.. the jews NO LONGER PLAYED VICTIMS... now they were the agressors.. you bloodied a jews nose.. hed shoot you in the fucking head..
and thats hard for the average person who just wants to see the jews as victims so he can feel sorry for them... suddenly.. the jew in israel is NO LONGER A VICTIM.. he is mean tough fighting machine.. an arab muslim killing machine.. and that rubs people the wrong way..
if instead of 1300 gaza dead.. it was 1300 jews dead... all you would get is.. oh those poor jews.. why dont poeple just leave them alone.. someone to pity feel sorry for..
but not anymore.. the jews in israel are no longer poeple you pity.. they are a force to be reckon with.. you kill one of them they will kill 20 of you.. and thats hard for people to accept.. a strong tough nation of jews.. something like that hasnt existed for thousands of years.. but i for one im glad that it does..
NO MORE FUCKING WITH JEWS... you dont want to get your ass droned? dont send out a suicide bomber.. simple as that.
The jews in israel say.. " DONT FUCKEN FEEL SORRY FOR ME WHILE MY FAMILY IS MARCHED TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS.. I DONT NEED YOUR FUCKING PITTY.. WHAT I WANT IS YOUR RESPECT AND TO STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY OR IM GONNA PUT A JEWISH BULLET IN YOUR ASS"
White Europeans created Israel from their racism, genocide and hate, they said "Get out of my country or die!" and the Jews, who didn't have any collective strength to fight back, either got slaughtered or moved to a place where they could feel safe as a collective and quite possible defend themselves from mass extinction.
Then the Arab countries did exactly the same things.
Now the same white Europeans and Arabs (and their children and grandchildren) are screaming, "How dare you be in someone else's land?"
Do you not see the Irony in that? It's almost laughable if it wasn't so tragic.
The ones who have a right to be pissed off at that are the people who were there at the time and got displaced. The Jews had no issue with them at all and it wasn't their fault that the part of the planet that they lived on had a massive influx of forced refugees (which is what the Jews were).
But they made the fatal mistake of assuming that, like every peoples before it, the Jews could be attacked and driven out. Well look what happened. First blood was struck and then struck again and again and in the end you see what happens when a dog has been beaten for longer than he can take. Hit a dog with a stick and can you blame it when it goes for your throat?
The Israel you see today was created by hate and it has every right to protect itself from this hate and ignore those same white Europeans and Arabs (huddling under the flag of the UN) who made it necessary for it to exist in the first place.
This is why the VAST majority of Jews support the right of Israel to exist. After all they KNOW its the only place they will be able to go when new pogroms reach their cities and they have to choose between staying and being victimised (and raped/murdered) or getting the fuck out of dodge.
Don't be mistaken into thinking that the war that Israel are waging with Hamas is about Gaza. Gaza is a means to an end for Hamas. It allows them to be close enough to Israel to attack and kill to get towards their real and stated goal of killing all the Jews and wiping Israel off the map. The Israelis know this very well, after all they have bothered reading the Hamas charter.
Israel UNILATERALLY withdrew from Gaza. They didn't want to as they said it would compromise their security, but they did, with the assurances of the international community that it was a safe thing to do. There was no wall, there was no blockade, there was no checkpoints. What happened? Well the bombs started raining down from Gaza and continued to do so ever since. Hamas wanted Gaza so they could be in striking distance and to fulfil their real objective.
There was no peace, only bloodshed.
Now Hamas are saying all we want is for the blockade to be removed and we will ceasefire. Really? Its quite clear that they will NEVER stop until their objective is met. Of course they want the blockade removed as it is hampering their ability to re-arm and get some nice juicy heavy artillery and supplement their numbers.
This is why Israel will not remove the blockade until Hamas is no longer a threat.
The people chose Hamas and their charter and objectives and it is those same people and their families who are suffering because of it. Now they are being used as fodder for Hamas to meet their objectives.
Does any of this excuse Israel from killing children? Absolutely not. But it goes a small way to understanding why Israel will do ANYTHING to stop the terrorists from meeting their ultimate objective and why they will not give in to international pressure and remove blockades and checkpoints until Hamas is no longer a threat.
Then the Arab countries did exactly the same things.
Now the same white Europeans and Arabs (and their children and grandchildren) are screaming, "How dare you be in someone else's land?"
Do you not see the Irony in that? It's almost laughable if it wasn't so tragic.
The ones who have a right to be pissed off at that are the people who were there at the time and got displaced. The Jews had no issue with them at all and it wasn't their fault that the part of the planet that they lived on had a massive influx of forced refugees (which is what the Jews were).
But they made the fatal mistake of assuming that, like every peoples before it, the Jews could be attacked and driven out. Well look what happened. First blood was struck and then struck again and again and in the end you see what happens when a dog has been beaten for longer than he can take. Hit a dog with a stick and can you blame it when it goes for your throat?
The Israel you see today was created by hate and it has every right to protect itself from this hate and ignore those same white Europeans and Arabs (huddling under the flag of the UN) who made it necessary for it to exist in the first place.
This is why the VAST majority of Jews support the right of Israel to exist. After all they KNOW its the only place they will be able to go when new pogroms reach their cities and they have to choose between staying and being victimised (and raped/murdered) or getting the fuck out of dodge.
Don't be mistaken into thinking that the war that Israel are waging with Hamas is about Gaza. Gaza is a means to an end for Hamas. It allows them to be close enough to Israel to attack and kill to get towards their real and stated goal of killing all the Jews and wiping Israel off the map. The Israelis know this very well, after all they have bothered reading the Hamas charter.
Israel UNILATERALLY withdrew from Gaza. They didn't want to as they said it would compromise their security, but they did, with the assurances of the international community that it was a safe thing to do. There was no wall, there was no blockade, there was no checkpoints. What happened? Well the bombs started raining down from Gaza and continued to do so ever since. Hamas wanted Gaza so they could be in striking distance and to fulfil their real objective.
There was no peace, only bloodshed.
Now Hamas are saying all we want is for the blockade to be removed and we will ceasefire. Really? Its quite clear that they will NEVER stop until their objective is met. Of course they want the blockade removed as it is hampering their ability to re-arm and get some nice juicy heavy artillery and supplement their numbers.
This is why Israel will not remove the blockade until Hamas is no longer a threat.
The people chose Hamas and their charter and objectives and it is those same people and their families who are suffering because of it. Now they are being used as fodder for Hamas to meet their objectives.
Does any of this excuse Israel from killing children? Absolutely not. But it goes a small way to understanding why Israel will do ANYTHING to stop the terrorists from meeting their ultimate objective and why they will not give in to international pressure and remove blockades and checkpoints until Hamas is no longer a threat.
^^ Listen dude, if you want to be an indocrinated, heartless piece of shit who believes what Israel is doing is defense and not genocide, then go for it. However, don't get pissy at people who are calling this what it is -- straight-up genocide. There's many people currently sitting in a cell in the Hague, and will be for the rest of their lives, for actions lesser than this.
Do you seriously believe Israel's end goal is peace? Don't you think the members of the Knesset maybe have some intelligence to them, and know this isn't going to lead to a peaceful resolution? Ok, that's actually wrong -- Israel's end goal is peace -- via genocide, ethnic cleaning, occupation, and assimilation.
If anything, I'll go out on a limb here and say, Israel is capitalizing on all the turmoil in the world at the moment. You have ISIS in Iraq & Syria, Ukraine & Russia ordeal, Afghanistan is going to shit again, the US is having a major problem at its southern border, and so on. Israel decided this would be a good time to get away with some shit.
Do you seriously believe Israel's end goal is peace? Don't you think the members of the Knesset maybe have some intelligence to them, and know this isn't going to lead to a peaceful resolution? Ok, that's actually wrong -- Israel's end goal is peace -- via genocide, ethnic cleaning, occupation, and assimilation.
If anything, I'll go out on a limb here and say, Israel is capitalizing on all the turmoil in the world at the moment. You have ISIS in Iraq & Syria, Ukraine & Russia ordeal, Afghanistan is going to shit again, the US is having a major problem at its southern border, and so on. Israel decided this would be a good time to get away with some shit.
Indoctrinated by whom? What part of what I wrote isn't factual?
Did Israel not unilaterally withdraw from Gaza? Did rockets not start up once they did? Was there a wall and blockade at the time? What will Hamas do if the blockade is lifted?
If Hamas stopped bombing today would Israel stop bombing? If Israel stopped bombing today would Hamas stop?
No, actually, they haven't. They're not abiding by boundaries agreed upon in international law.
Indoctrinated by Israel. You can't hold an elected position within the US govt that comes with any magnitude of power unless you are 100% pro-Israel. Pretty near all other issues are fair game and open for discussion though -- drug legalization, abortion, gay marriage, etc... However, if you come out as anti-Israel (or even neutral) then either, a) you're not getting elected, or b) if you manage to slip through the cracks and get elected, you'll be stone walled at every corner whenever you try to do anything.
They withdrew from Gaza in 2005 when they didn't have to, is that not a step towards peace? What happened 3 months later? The people voted for Hamas.
Please take a minute and go here: Gaza Strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and read that section and the following 3 sections to understand why we are at where we are at now.
Again, what have I said thats not true and that was "Indoctrinated" in to me by a country I don't have any direct contact with.
So what? What has that got to do with any of the facts I presented? What has that got to do with me at all?
If I am incorrect in what I have said then debate with me, if I am not then how can you hold a contrary position to fact.
I am not excusing Israel for their current actions, but I am just trying to help people understand the background of why they are doing what they are doing and why statements like "Get out of their country" and "Stop the blockade and there will be peace" are so ridiculous. It's neither pro-Israel or anti-Palestinian.
Is that so wrong?
I was actually replying to that Tony guy initially. You got your reply in while I was typing mine.
Sure sounds like it, and therein lies the problem. If any other nation in the world tried to pull this shit, there would be immediate international condemnation, emergency meetings at the UN security council, followed by economic sanctions, and who knows, if the situation warranted maybe even military intervention. Not Israel though. They just get to level whole city blocks and UN refugee camps at a time, and get away with it. The best we get is a "plea" from the UN for Israel to stop, and that's it.
Well firstly if any other country was being bombed daily they would almost definitely "pull this shit" and a lot more in the case of most of the other countries in the middle and A FUCK OF A LOT MORE if it was the US.
Secondly go and look at what the British did to Dresden. Please go and look at what the US did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki (not to mention Vietnam, Iraq and many others).
The US went in and fucked up 2 whole countries and killed MILLIONS of people because of the actions of a few terrorists who were acting on the US's own soil.
Please don't say that this is not what other countries would pull as history shows that that is just out and out ignorance.
BTW where were all the UN resolutions when Iraq and Afghanistan were going on?
Not to mention Asad and all the other genocidal dictators in the middle east.
What I am saying may sound like I am being pro-Israel, but only to the ears of people who don't want to know the real facts and not just ridiculous article headlines from super biased news sources, and simplistic solutions that clearly wont work.
Comes here do defend Israel... compares it terrorist organizations like ISIS and genocidal dictatorships like Assad... Got that right atleast!!!
Well done bro...
meh... if it walks like a duck...
I'm Pro-Palestine but even i stopped following whats going on over there the second that Hamas rejected the Egyptian cease-fire... 1000 people have died in this conflict since then and that is all on Hamas!! Yes i get that Hamas wants an end to the blockade, but that is a separate issue altogether. Accept the cease-fire, stop the bombing, safeguard your people and then deal with the blockade - but that didn't happen because Hamas needs war in order to stay relevant. If there was peace in the region, Hamas would cease to exist.
The border to Egypt also remains closed because of Hamas... letting them in would be crazy! There will never be peace in the region until Hamas and it's ilk are eradicated.
Israel wants the whole of that land (Israel, Gaza, West Bank) for itself. That's what this conflict has been about since 1948... so let them have it - all of it!! Its just land. And no land, however valuable, is worth sacrificing the lives of your loved ones for.
I for one would love to see one of the Islamic States stand up and say "We'll take them in". A persecuted people being moved to somewhere safe that they can call their own - is that not how/why Israel was created in the first place? Is it not time to do the same with the people of Palestine?
Sigh...that will never happen either!! The only Islamic nation wealthy enough and stable enough to take in the Palestinians is Saudi Arabia. But they don't even consider Palestinians to be Muslims and would probably do worse to them than what the Israeli's have done. Some of the other Arab/Gulf states may fair better in that respect but they're all busy whoring themselves to the US and UK for oil/gas money... and that's essentially what all of the recent conflicts, from Afghanistan to Iraq to Libya, to Gaza have been about! And the US and UK will continue to support Israel because it gives them a base in the Middle East.
Amen to that!! I'm out!!