Life in Occupied Palestine

[seriously]

Sure sounds like it, and therein lies the problem. If any other nation in the world tried to pull this shit, there would be immediate international condemnation, emergency meetings at the UN security council, followed by economic sanctions, and who knows, if the situation warranted maybe even military intervention. Not Israel though. They just get to level whole city blocks and UN refugee camps at a time, and get away with it. The best we get is a "plea" from the UN for Israel to stop, and that's it.

I really can't understand if this guy's for real. Maybe you learned about the conflict through social media bro?

Anyway, anything you're saying straight up shows you're just anti Jews, not anti terror. so drop it nickster, he's just another drop in a fucking huge sea.

My only hope is that this forum would still be around in 15 years from now, when Islam blows up in Europe's face.

 

[Tony71]

Do you seriously believe Israel's end goal is peace? Don't you think the members of the Knesset maybe have some intelligence to them, and know this isn't going to lead to a peaceful resolution? Ok, that's actually wrong -- Israel's end goal is peace -- via genocide, ethnic cleaning, occupation, and assimilation.

BOTH jews and arabs come from the middle east.. the arabs have gotten 99.9 percent of the land and you want israel to negotiate on the .01 and if they dont they are committing genocide??

HERE... why dont me and you start a business right fucken now.. ILL TAKE 99 percent.. ill give you 1 percent.. then negotiate with you over the 1 percent that HALF OF THAT IS MINE.. how the hell would you feel???? then you finally had enough of me taking your shit and you fight back ill cry genocide.

jews have turned a small peace of desert into a oasis of freedom for minorities homosexuals.. holocaust survivors.. jews escaping the muslim invasion of europe.. they have created a country that has GIVEN SO MUCH TO THIS WORLD in the form of technology and science.. they have won shit ton of noble prizes in science and math and medicine.. research for the cure of cancer.. for alternative energy.. to make this world a less shittier place. that intel chip your computer? that came from israel.. or wait? i bet you thought it came on the back of donkey techonology of hamas in gaza?

and YOU WANT TO REPLACE THAT COUNTRY with another arab country filled with ISIS?? hamas? bunch of terrorist muslims who torment and torture there population and minorities? you want to jews to suffer like the christians in mosul when the ISIS CAME KNOCKING?? how many more shit hole muslim arab countries do we need?????

and and if jews defend themselves from crazed ass muslims like hamas then there committing genocide? get the fuck out of here..

do you know what it is like to live under islamic law? do you know the shit youve done to those thia young girls WOULD GET YOU KILLED in a muslim world?

so basically if i have this correct.. you want to live your life anyway the fuck you want.. live a life of freedom.. 14 year old thia prostitutes.. and then want jews in israel to live under hamas? well isnt that great.. "jews in the middle east you live like animals under muslim rule.. while my hypocritical ass does whatever the fuck i want.

 

[Tony71]

^^ I care about that about as much as when some fanatical Christian tells me the end times are near, so I should repent to Christ to ensure I don't end up in hell.

yeah well when that same muslim blows up the fucken train your on and your brains are setting in the seat next to you.. then well see how comparible those fuckers are to the "fanatical christian"

 

[nickster]

Israel wants the whole of that land (Israel, Gaza, West Bank) for itself. That's what this conflict has been about since 1948... so let them have it - all of it!!

So they withdrew from Gaza beacuuuuuuse?

In 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to create a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank becauuuuuuuse?

The Arabs rejected all of the partition plans and it was them who started a war with Israel to get the whole of the land in 1948 not the other way around. Please study the history.

The only places Israel will not negotiate on are areas that make defending themselves impossible.

 

[Tony71]

So they withdrew from Gaza beacuuuuuuse?
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nick, it was stupid for them to withdrawl from gaza.. poeple who hate israel bro dont give a shit about truth.. they dont care that barak offered 99 percent of everything palastanians wanted in 99 in camp david..

they dont give a shit that in 2008 olmert gave that idiot abbas the same exact thing as barak in 99 and ALL abbas had to do was accept it..

they dont give a shit that in 1948 the jews accepted the land they got and all the palastanians had to do was accept the land they got and we wouldnt have 60 years of war..

they whine like little bitches that palastanians got kicked out of there homes in 1948.. BUT DONT GIVE A SHIT the 1 million jews who had everything taken from them in arab countries in 1948 and the years after..

we are basically arguing with westerners who live a life of freedom and privileged telling us how GREAT HAMAS is and how israel should give into hamas.. the nerve of these fuckers is amazing.

 

[dreamache]

we are basically arguing with westerners who live a life of freedom and privileged

Oh you mean like the kind of freedom and privilege you get when you can travel freely, come and go as you wish, and import and export freely?

Or do you mean the privilege that comes with being handed $8.5 million daily for your military?

 

[Tony71]

Oh you mean like the kind of freedom and privilege you get when you can travel freely, come and go as you wish, and import and export freely?

Or do you mean the privilege that comes with being handed $8.5 million daily for your military?

gaza imported enough cement and materials to build hundreds of schools.. hospitals...places of education.. instead they used that to build tunnels to house missiles used to try and kill as many jews as possible. WHEN YOU USE YOUR IMPORTANT AND EXPORT TO GET THINGS TO KILL JEWS.. you get that right taken away from you.. why dont these muslim militants ever try and build something to enhance mankind instead of destroy it?

 

[Tony71]

Hamas prevents 3 Gazan children of life-saving treatment in Israel
Islamic organization won't let kids suffering from systemic arthritis to get a monthly shot that would stop the disease from inflaming again.

as you can see.. HAMAS LOOOOVVVES its citizens.. of course they care about there children...
Hamas prevents 3 Gazan children of life-saving treatment in Israel - Israel Culture, Ynetnews

 

[seriously]

Or do you mean the privilege that comes with being handed $8.5 million daily for your military?

One of the reasons US is giving us money so it (the US) can have control over the Middle East.
If it weren't for us you'd have 9/11 every week.

 

[nickster]

White Europeans you say?

I don't understand what you are trying to insinuate.

The people who persecuted the Jews were white and european, that doesn't mean that all white people who lived in Europe persecuted the Jews. Obviously the Jews can't persecute themselves?!?!?

Your logic cannot be that faulty.

 

[Tony71]

western liberal douchebags are pissed that israel doesnt put down there weapons so hamas and muslim militants can do this..

Mad World News250 Christian Girls Gang Raped and Executed in the Name of Allah
Senator Zanna, representative of the Born Central Senatorial District, spoke about the horrifying film:

“Actually the information I’m getting, some of them are very disturbing. Although I don’t want to mention but they are just raping the girls on camera and even showing them on video, releasing it to the public.”

“Somebody told me that they were shown being raped, and in turn, it is the girl who was raped that came out kneeling down and begging the man to be patient. Do you know the reason why? They said when they rape them they shoot them. Therefore the girl after being raped, she curled down to the man, kneeling down and begging him to please be patient. So disturbing.”

 

[theallspark]

So they withdrew from Gaza beacuuuuuuse?

In 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to create a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank becauuuuuuuse?

I'm sorry... you're right. Its not a land grab. Dunno what i was thinking!!

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The Arabs rejected all of the partition plans and it was them who started a war with Israel to get the whole of the land in 1948 not the other way around. Please study the history.

This is true... but i made no reference to that in my previous post. I get the feeling that you could start a fight in an empty room... dat anger bro, its not healthy!

On the topic of the partition... the UK ans US under the umbrella of the UN had no right to give away that land to Israel. But they did and the way in which they did so meant that there would always be conflict. They did the exact same thing in India in 1947... they're still fighting too!

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This wasn't a mistake... it was very deliberate!

In 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to create a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank

This is also true... it was rejected by the PLO and Yasser Arafat. The same Yasser Arafat who died a billionaire while his country perished. He and the PLO were no different to Khaled Mashal and Hamas today. The same Khaled Mashal will also undoubtedly die a very rich man in a foreign country of his choosing whilst innocent Palestinians are slaughtered by Israel!

The only places Israel will not negotiate on are areas that make defending themselves impossible.

meh... horse shit, and you know it!!

 

[Tony71]

i love how spark admits that arafat and mashal have become billionaires off palastanians backs.. how corrupt the palastanians are.. i love how he admits that israel and palastanians could have peace if they just accepted the 1948 land.. i love how he admits that israel made offers of peace with 99 percent of what arafat and abbas in 2000 and and in 2008. that israel has repeatedly tried to make peace but the palastanians wont accept it.

and yet.. its all ISRAELS FAULT LOL

 

[nickster]

i made no reference to that in my previous post.

Really? Wasn't it you who said "Israel wants the whole of that land (Israel, Gaza, West Bank) for itself. That's what this conflict has been about since 1948."? When in fact I have demonstrated that it was the Arabs who actually wanted the whole land for themselves.

I get the feeling that you could start a fight in an empty room... dat anger bro, its not healthy!

Anger? I am not angry what so ever. I am stating facts and enlightening the keyboard brigade to the history of the situation. Anger and vitriol is all around this issue, but not coming from my side.

On the topic of the partition... the UK ans US under the umbrella of the UN had no right to give away that land to Israel. But they did and the way in which they did so meant that there would always be conflict.

Probably very true. So go spew hatred at them.

Israel should never have ever had to exist. But if not there it could have been anywhere. Why not Germany? The phrase "not on my doorstep" comes to mind.

So they were put in a corner of the middle east, what should they have done? Refused?

This is also true... it was rejected by the PLO and Yasser Arafat. The same Yasser Arafat who died a billionaire while his country perished. He and the PLO were no different to Khaled Mashal and Hamas today. The same Khaled Mashal will also undoubtedly die a very rich man in a foreign country of his choosing whilst innocent Palestinians are slaughtered by Israel!

Exactly

meh... horse shit, and you know it!!

Great argument right there. In what way is it horse shit? They offered the land and only wanted a tiny fraction as that would have made their borders indefensible. Please pray tell why they wanted to keep that small % of the land but were willing to give up the rest? Oil? Diamonds? Gold?

 

[zimok]

Israel invades gaza to fight hamas.. and you have twitter accounts, facebook fights.. rhianna .. javier bardem.. penepe cruz.. etc etc.. all talkign about it.. posts are created on this forum bashing israel.. how palastanians are victims.. etc..

Cerebrity shtatus is indicative of intelligence in foreign rerations!

My shweet hart RiRi,

Jon's right on this one: "It's just war guys.. nothing to get pissed about when you're far away or not in total control of the situation.", bickering on WF about which side we're on, which propaganda we've been exposed to, will never affect a single atom in a conflict we have no control over. It's fun to STS though.

 

[theallspark]

i love how spark admits that arafat and mashal have become billionaires off palastanians backs.. how corrupt the palastanians are..

No... i said the PLO and Hamas are corrupt - Not the Palestinian people!! Unlike you, i'm not going to group them together. Palestinian children playing football on a beach are not militant members of a corrupt organisation... they're just kids. And not all Palestinians are Hamas members.

i love how he admits that israel and palastanians could have peace if they just accepted the 1948 land..

No... i made the point that the way in which the land was divided meant that there would always be conflict, just as it is in India. Israel is here to stay and that's the way it should be. The only way there can be peace now is to take the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank.

i love how he admits that israel made offers of peace with 99 percent of what arafat and abbas in 2000 and and in 2008. that israel has repeatedly tried to make peace but the palastanians wont accept it.

Agreed

and yet.. its all ISRAELS FAULT LOL

You said that not me! Neither side is innocent in this!

 

[theallspark]

Really? Wasn't it you who said "Israel wants the whole of that land (Israel, Gaza, West Bank) for itself. That's what this conflict has been about since 1948."? When in fact I have demonstrated that it was the Arabs who actually wanted the whole land for themselves.

I've only talked about the partitions and creation of Israel in 1948, nothing else.

With regards to the Arabs wanting the the whole land for themselves... ofcourse they did. It belonged to the Arabs to begin with, they wanted to take it back from Israel which is only natural.

What was wrong though, is how they wanted to remove all Jews from Israel "Push them back into the sea" is what they used to say if i'm not mistaken! Which is something i can't agree with at all.

Probably very true. So go spew hatred at them.

Israel should never have ever had to exist. But if not there it could have been anywhere. Why not Germany? The phrase "not on my doorstep" comes to mind.

So they were put in a corner of the middle east, what should they have done? Refused?

The only guys spewing hatred at this point are you and tony71 who are so blinded by there hatred for Arabs and love for Israel that you can't see the wood for the trees!

In both of my previous posts, 90% of what i said was directed at Hamas and mentioned Israel only in General terms. No accusation, no commentary. I even put the blame for the current death toll on the shoulders of Hamas and all you read is "Pro-Palestinian" - kill him!!!

Israel should never have ever had to exist. But if not there it could have been anywhere. Why not Germany? The phrase "not on my doorstep" comes to mind.

So they were put in a corner of the middle east, what should they have done? Refused?

Not the fault of the Palestinian people either... yet they're paying the ultimate price.

Great argument right there.

Glad you liked it... have a good day bro!

 

[seriously]

These arguments won't go anywhere.

You must understand the basics of this region, you see -
The Arabs DONT WANT 2 COUNTRIES AS YOU WERE TOLD.

They want whole of Israel.



Why they don't want 2 countries and live side by side?
Because they know that the rules of engagement of Country VS Country and Country VS Terror Organization hiding behind civilians are different.
If there were 2 countries and the Arabs would attack Israel, that country would have been wiped in a matter of days and it was OK (by the international law)

Why Syria, Turkey etc don't attack us and only give money to the cowards terror organizations under the table? because they know the consequences.
And that's why there will never be 2 countries living in peace... either Israel become Palestine or the terrorist radical Muslims keep hiding behind civilians.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

I don't understand what you are trying to insinuate.

The people who persecuted the Jews were white and european, that doesn't mean that all white people who lived in Europe persecuted the Jews. Obviously the Jews can't persecute themselves?!?!?

I'm just pointing out that a lot of "Jews" look an awful lot like "white Europeans" to me. But I'm just an ignorant Irish motherfucker from Detroit, so what do I know?

 

[mattseh]

I'm just pointing out that a lot of "Jews" look an awful lot like "white Europeans" to me. But I'm just an ignorant Irish motherfucker from Detroit, so what do I know?

Americans are Irish now?