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ActionJackson83 said:
Right on thanks for your replies Zaino. 3k a week haha damn....are you serious? Thats a good number.
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Hey pal you know what you have to cover being a self employed busness owner?

You cover your own taxes
your own retirement
your own over head and expenses go without saying including legal, bookeeping, advertising, phone yadda yadda
you cover your own sick days, vacation days, ect
your company needs to turn a profit as well. Even if its 300 a week, put it in the bank until you get some cushion in there.

If you are just starting out all that shit will be about 30k a year bare minimum.

This is why people quiote 3k per month for local seo, 5k for nice client sites, 250 for social media management ect. Its not because they want to fucking scam people , its the cost of running a company on the up and up.

Imagine you were someone important at a major company. You would get perks, expenses, cars, or whatever the hell successful people get for perks.

You should be able to work in some of the perks because your company is profitable and you are successful and good at what you do.


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yes I know man, do your own taxes etc. I know people living in big cities making those numbers per client but I live in a smaller town and I'm living very comfortably. I quoted a bunch of people this year and walked away b/c I'm not willing to do the work for less money.
 
ActionJackson83 said:
I agree but I dont have anywhere where I feel confident outsourcing the web design. If I had a partner that would go 50/50 or even 60/40 or something like that and build a good website I would do it...but I dont got that and I make good money already with SEO...so I dont even want to deal with building websites, if I'm going to get in on web design I'd want someone else to do it, i.e. answer the call/ call the prospect back, close the deal, build the website etc. and make a nice chunk of change while I get a nice portion of the money for doing the SEO part of it. Get me?
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Do a 50/50 partnership with a web designer who can handle everything web design related.

Just put in a little bit extra effort and you'll be making 3-5x per lead.
 
ActionJackson83 said:
Thanks for your reply. Maybe it is "noob shit"...so what? This is the first time I have entered into a performance based commission venture like this, and after posting here it has made me think..."why would I enter into an agreement with three people and only get 8%." With what I would be doing I just think I should be getting more of a share than that. From what I have seen here no one here is doing any type of performance based ventures like this, so I'm guessing everyone is equity or rate based. So yeah you could say its "noob shit" since I'm trying to get my bearings. I already have clients that I charge monthly but this guy is trying to set up something I have no experience with. I offered him my normal prices and he wanted to do this instead, so, yeah I could walk away, I already make good money, but I am open to trying new things if they make sense and are win/ win and that is what I am trying to figure out. Having said that, Mr. ( or Ms.?) Ccarter, or anyone, how about a strategy or a number that you think is good and why you think its good in regard to this performance based scale I'm describing...?

That would be helpful if you have the time.

EDIT: Had to move period inside quotation mark.
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Here is the problem with your "performance based commission venture bla, bla, bla". You can generate 10 leads, 100 leads, or a 1,000 leads a month - but they may not close a single one. You get paid nothing. They can also lie about what they close.

Only way it works for you is if YOU are closing the deals and sending over the work, meaning you're doing all the rankings, then closing, so you know Exactly what's closing and what's not. You know exactly why the leads are closing and why they are not. You know exactly if your sales suck OR the leads suck. If you do all that, then yeah you'll definitely want more, a lot more than 8%.

There is a reason the "boss" didn't take up your initial offer of monthly payments, which is your norm. I have a gut feeling he doesn't want to risk money OR just doesn't have any money. In the long term your stake would cost him a lot more if you guys become wildly successful.

It's a very simple situation, you've got 3 guys in the room. A marketing guy, a production guy, and a sales guy. If you guys are really fucking serious, which honestly it sounds like some "joint venture" type of shit so I don't take it seriously - but if you are, you'll form a legal entity for this, get working contracts in place for each "partner" and negotiate things from there. Make sure all assets - especially the domain name are in the company's name and you're on all the legal documents and financials. Or your just playing "joint venture business".

If he's not willing to go "all in" with you, he plans on cutting you out down the road - he may not even know it, but that's the reason for not going "all in" with you at a partnership level. Or you could just become a mercenary like me, take the money, own nothing, control everything, and when the day comes you were smart enough to 301 redirect the domain and pull the plug and re-plug it into your own operation.

Performance based commissions - that's really a CPA offer, right? No difference than affiliate marketing. You're the affiliate, and he's the advertiser and when he wants to cut you off he will. When he wants to shave, he will. If he wants to tell you the leads are bad he will. Just be smart, you can make good money as an affiliate or you can jump head first into a serious business venture. There is no middle ground, cause that's where all the noobs get crushed. Hopefully I just saved you 6 months to 4+ years of learning the hard way.

When you start something either go all the way or don't even bother.

Carry on...​
 
ActionJackson83 said:
I agree with this to an extent. Thats the thing, I'm not willing to do what I do at an employee rate. This is performance based so I would have to pay to get it ranking up front and I know I could make more if I seek out a web designer and do it myself. This guy is playing the boss while trying to play me as an employee and I'm not gonna do it.

I posted this to gain some insight and see if anyone here had ever done a performance type partner deal like this, and see if I could find some new strategies etc.
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I think the point people here are making is that you don't need a partner, and if you have one, expect to get bent over and screwed hard.

Because that is what partnerships many times are about. Someone getting money by doing less, and the other guy carrying the load.

If you're not willing to do end to end fulfillment, then don't complain about being treated like an employee because that's basically what you are. You're outsourced marketing.

When you can do end to end fulfillment of your own leads, you're the boss.
 
Wait 300 dollars?!? - wtf is he kidding? You are an seo expert, right? How long did you spend learning that shit? I'm sure you have verifiable results to prove your expertise. You need to take a position with that dude. Isn't that like $1,300 worth of effort? Hit him right between the eyes with a strong number ($ amount). If you can't negotiate with him to an amount you can live with wish him luck and let him know you are available if he's not happy with the seo guy he hires instead.
 
Wait 300 dollars?!? - wtf is he kidding? You are an seo expert, right? How long did you spend learning that shit?
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A long time staying up for hours on end to 4 am drinking coffee staining my teeth brown buying info products about SEO until some guy started teaching me stuff behind the scenes on Steve Claytons Blueprintcentral forum before it closed down.
Hit him right between the eyes with a strong number
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Will do! thank you sir! : ]
 
Zaino said:
Rank your own shit.
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This is the best piece of advice you'll get.

I used to do web design and dealing with most web design clients is a nightmare. Then you are going to have to deal with your new boss and web developer questioning you on your on-site SEO tactics.

$300 is awful low and I can see that you are already skeptical of your boss.

Anyone with basic HTML skills can make sites. Marketing is king.
 
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