New Thread Fee in Links & SEO $122?

I've said this for a while, but the way to make a BST higher quality is to have some sort of unbiased way to track the performance of sellers.

Right now the best BSTs are the ones that have the coolest salespages and the best front men - getting a ton of BST sales is an exercise in marketing and not in actual SEO ability. If BSTs were ranked based on the actual ranking performance they gave their customers using a nice high quality statistical model you could cut through all of the salesy bs and find the providers that were really giving the best bang for your dollar.

I have no issue with raising prices, but I don't think it is going to do much to change the quality of the BST threads here.
 


So the rent for your business is $366 a month? To give you some perspective I spent nearly $15k on rent last month. Stop bitching and man up and compete

Edit: If you're not making $3,660 in monthly gross off of your threads just move on or fix your prices.
 
Love Jon's Governing Approach. Inspiring.

I do like the idea for 'cheap' services too though. I used to pick up a few of those.
 
Island said:
I like this. My thread stays on page 1 longer now that there's less BST threads because of the higher prices.
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I agree. It's annoying having to sift through thread after thread of providers offering the same fucking types of links as the next guy. Blog comments, 650 Web 2.0s, etc... If people want to buy that type of stuff, do it somewhere else. Personally, I'd rather have more high-end providers that offer innovative link packages that have price points that reflect that.
 
Andrew Scherer said:
Now the talking point is that increasing prices will improve the quality of what sellers offer. What nobody realizes is that the increased price won't magically make sellers invent cooler shit, it's just going to cut out another round of sellers who don't want to pay $XXX for a thread, ultimately reducing selection. This won't happen immediately so it's not immediately apparent.

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Wickedfire is a good traffic source for selling. But as a marketer and seller here, I am constantly looking at my analytics and comparing multiple traffic sources. Sadly I imagine I am one of the few that do.
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We track this pretty well and while I have no plans on leaving the WF BST I will say that we make about 40-50x more per month from a $100 spend on LinkedIn inmails than we do from $366 or whatever the new monthly rate is here.

I keep my biz here because I like the community and have buddies here, but we have abandoned the content BST subforum and will likely stick to 1 service at a time in the main BST.

I'm expecting more Leiths/SGWs with battle-tested BHW-style marketing threads and fewer innovative services or startups as the price goes up.
 
Thanks, Bofu!

Bofu2U said:
I'm late to the party, but:

If you're looking at this from the perspective that "I need to sell <X> packages to make the money back" and then your next thread the exact same concept, consider this.

If you're only selling to one person at a time, one package at a time, sure. But you'll get bulk buyers, you'll get repeat buyers, and you'll get ... wait for it ... bulk repeat buyers.

If your service isn't good enough for someone to order more than once, you need to pick something else. If the only way for them to order from you is your WF thread, you need to change that. If they have no other way to contact you than through WF (aka you don't even give them an email address), you need to change that. What happens if the person that wants to buy is a lurker?

Jon is providing the ability for you to advertise your service to a plethora of people. Not all services are for everyone, and not everyone should be purchasing certain services. Not just members, but also lurkers. Don't overlook the damn lurkers.

There are component packages (plugged into bigger ones, or ordered as needed) and there are combination/all in one packages ("buy this, we do all of the rest"). The fact of the matter is that if you're starting a thread in the BST and your goal is to only make $200, you're not doing the right shit. If you're selling and your goal is only to sell to a person one time, you're not doing the right shit.

Just so I'm clear, though - if your goal is to make $200 then chances are you're only planning on selling while the thread is alive. You don't plan on emailing previous customers, or giving them a way to order again in the future. That's the problem. If you're selling a $50 package and 10 people order, your LROI (Lifetime ROI) per person shouldn't be $50. It should be higher, unless you're just ... doing it and churning through and it's not good enough for repeat buyers or bulk buyers.

Bottom line: evaluate your goals based on your offering and go off of that. It's not just a flat "I need 10 orders to make back the $122". You outlook you need to have is "will I only make $122 off of having this thread on WF". That's it. When the thread closes, you won't have any other orders? Ever? From the people that ordered before, or otherwise?

Think about it.

Disclaimer: I usually post about the fees rising in a negative fashion if I do post at all, but here's the reality of it. It could be my perspective has changed, or what have you - but this is how I look at it. In other words, it's my 2 cents.

Oh, and no - Jon didn't edit this post or ask me to post it. It's all Bofu, baby.
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Wow, sense AND said with class. Thanks, Bofu!
 
Grindstone said:
Lumping us in with all the lesser copy cats we spawned doesn't really do us justice bro.

That'd be like me saying all the Tangy/CShark content writers out there....

Let's hug this out on skype. ;)
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No offense intended, I wasn't clear in what I wrote. I more of meant high-volume link providers (whether on subscription or "per shot") with well-marketed sales threads.

The service SGW provided was quality and an excellent value, which is of course why it did so well. I have never used Leith's Ghost Rank or other services either, so I cannot comment on them. I only meant the marketing piece - the BHW BST sticky type of offerings.

So again - apologies for being unclear originally and not trying to bash anyone.
 
This thread reminds me of when Dunkin Donuts raises the price of a large coffee from 2.05 to 2.12 and I lose my fucking mind.
 
wow, jon official reached 'god mode' in my book lol

he raises the price without giving a fuck and without asking for anyone's opinion, and when someone starts a thread to bitch about it, he's got his own army of senior members justifying the price increase for him and defending his actions. I dont think DP, Wafo or TP owners can pull of something like this without some serious repercussions.

that's some blackbelt jew jitsu right there. amazeballs.
 
Grindstone said:
I was just busting your balls. If you'll politely put SGW before the / on future comparisons, all will be forgiven.
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dmnEPC said:
So the rent for your business is $366 a month? To give you some perspective I spent nearly $15k on rent last month. Stop bitching and man up and compete

Edit: If you're not making $3,660 in monthly gross off of your threads just move on or fix your prices.
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You paid 15k$ rent last month? What the fuck are you renting a penthouse appartment with 3 jaccuzis in singapore?
 
This is still a great deal. I'll put it this way: If I had $0, I'd go sell my body fluids to start a thread next week if I had to.
 
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