One Brave Mofo

[johnmatrix]

You people against this guy are farked, he won the case and was acquitted of all the charges so clearly he did nothing wrong.

Papers, Please! » State of New Mexico v. Phillip Mocek

Welcome to your future:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMQHVzSPTec]YouTube - Ice-T- Shut Up, Be Happy[/ame]

 

[Hav3n]

eliquid,

Whoa man. You've gone off the deep end.

I pay taxes.

I am a citizen of the United States of America.

I am just as entitled to my rights as you are even though I've never once served in any capacity at a state or federal level.




EDIT: As far as the TSA.

We should be happy there are people out there who are doing this.

Challenging Authority is what this country is founded upon.





I think you need to dial it back a bit cause i think you're pissed and not thinking about what you're saying.

 

[kingofsp]

Its the same as carrying a gun (not concealed) on you hip. Yes its technically legal but the police don't like it so they give you a ticket for disturbing the peace.

Lol. Not in these parts.

 

[eliquid]

eliquid,

Whoa man. You've gone off the deep end.

I pay taxes.

I am a citizen of the United States of America.

I am just as entitled to my rights as you are even though I've never once served in any capacity at a state or federal level.




EDIT: As far as the TSA.

We should be happy there are people out there who are doing this.

Challenging Authority is what this country is founded upon.





I think you need to dial it back a bit cause i think you're pissed and not thinking about what you're saying.

I never said you were not entitled, you missed the point I was making.

 

[Karnul]

^^ have to agree, these were people actively doing something to make a change.. not people taking advantage of a handout because they happened to be born here.

What about Phil Mocek? You don't see the parallels here with the work of MLK, Gandhii, or Rosa Parks?

Non-violent, peaceful non-compliance with authority is the most productive way to establish a free society.

Government after all is much like an illusion - it does not exist unless the people believe it does. Even if a government exists because people believe it does, that does not grant it power over you. What would you do if France sent you a summons or citation -- or Zimbabwe? You give government the power over you.

 

[Karnul]

...Shut the fuck up, do what they say, and move through the security checkpoint as quickly and efficiently as possible because you're holding up the line. Is that so difficult?

You are right, it's easy -- sheep do it all the time. I prefer to think for myself.

 

[zimok]

^^ wut? Nigga plz. Your no better then the people that didnt work a fucking day in their life that are on welfare and goverment support and then cry when people wanna take it away from you or change the benefits to be not in your favor.

You didn't work for anything, you didn't try to provide value and now your crying that your handout might be changed or altered. Nigga plz, get the fuck out of my country you peasant bitch.

If you didn't work for it, you got a handout.. its as simple as that. Stop trying to talk your way out of it and keep leeching off the system.

Plus it says your Location is Canada, so why the fuck in this topic anyway? You all get everything handed to you anyways, so I wouldn't expect you to understand really.

Besides, stop going off topic. I never said anyone was more entitled to anything. I said I don't wanna here those idiots bitching and whining over what amounts to a handout for most of them. Stop trying to exercise "freedom" with TSA at airports when in reality most of them have no fucking clue what freedom is. Half of these dumbass's where prob the same people who rallied for Guantanamo Bay to be closed down/prisoners released. Yeah, way to fight for freedom right there.

Still considering against my best judgment that you might not be trolling.

Answer this,

1. 'People 1' fight for the right to take pictures in a public area.
2. TSA doesn't want to respect this law.
3. 'People 2' fight for this right who haven't fought for it originally.

You're accusing People 2 of being whiners/bitches/leeches, when they're in effect re-enforcing what People 1 originally fought for?

edit: btw, you're the only one who's going horribly off topic here.

 

[MadMaxNine]

If you have some time to kill, you can listen to the full trial at: State of New Mexico v. Phillip Mocek : PapersPlease.org : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive and listen to the assistant DA get pwned by the defense. Unfortunately it costs a lot of money to be represented like this and that's what abusive law enforcement wager on, but it's satisfying to see someone put up a fight and get acquitted by a jury.

 

[dmnEPC]

Lol. Not in these parts.

You would actually be surprised where this is legal. And yes there are places in your neck of the woods where its legal. This was my whole point. Just because something is legal does not mean it is worth all of the hassle that goes along testing it.

hxxp://opencarry.org/opencarry.html for a map showing 40 out of 50 states allow some form of open carry. I can guarantee that you will find someone in each of these states that decided to test this law and were probably arrested. At the end of the day we live in the greatest country on the planet. In order for it to remain that way we have rules.

Washington is filled with scum bags who want to take away our freedoms everday. So this guy got his 15 minutes of fame so what? Ill bet he doesnt think it was worth it. People can say what they want about the TSA but in reality our country demanded tighter regulations about 10 years ago after some jackass in the desert decided to steal some airplanes and this is what we are left with

 

[johnmatrix]

People can say what they want about the TSA but in reality our country demanded tighter regulations about 10 years ago after some jackass in the desert decided to steal some airplanes and this is what we are left with

Nobody demanded anything, and guess what.. the guy that fucking did it is still out in the desert.

 

[Fatbat]

You are right, it's easy -- sheep do it all the time. I prefer to think for myself.

Oh yay, the "sheeple" arugment. Yeah, that's a good argument. Instead of actually addressing the issues just make bleating noises and pretend your liberties are being violated.

You never answered the question. Do you propose they do away with the TSA? And if so, what do you propose they replace them with? Or would you simply prefer there were no security checks? What's it going to be man? Security or no? If you vote for secure checkpoints then by the nature of modern security they should employ the most thorough screening measures available no? Or do you prefer half assed security instead?

 

[music4mic]

he handled the situation perfectly. If I had money for a good attorney, I'd probably be doing the same exact thing.

 

[dmnEPC]

Nobody demanded anything, and guess what.. the guy that fucking did it is still out in the desert.

Is that so? People in the US went freaked out about getting on airplanes. The country panicked and the airline industry suffered. The whole country was on eggshells.. It happened. Granted it only lasted a short time but it happened. Maybe they didn't show that on the news in Australia but it was reality here.

 

[davidne]

Oh yay, the "sheeple" arugment. Yeah, that's a good argument. Instead of actually addressing the issues just make bleating noises and pretend your liberties are being violated.

You never answered the question. Do you propose they do away with the TSA? And if so, what do you propose they replace them with? Or would you simply prefer there were no security checks? What's it going to be man? Security or no? If you vote for secure checkpoints then by the nature of modern security they should employ the most thorough screening measures available no? Or do you prefer half assed security instead?

Dude, TSA is half-assed. Remember this guy?: Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TSA is a joke, and this video makes a mockery of them. The fact that they don't even know the rules of videotaping in their own fucking airport is a disgrace, especially in this day and age when it's touted in the news all the time.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ8WkHkyPnQ"]YouTube - What the FUCK, TSA?[/ame]

 

[MSTeacher]

Oh yay, the "sheeple" arugment. Yeah, that's a good argument. Instead of actually addressing the issues just make bleating noises and pretend your liberties are being violated.

You never answered the question. Do you propose they do away with the TSA? And if so, what do you propose they replace them with? Or would you simply prefer there were no security checks? What's it going to be man? Security or no? If you vote for secure checkpoints then by the nature of modern security they should employ the most thorough screening measures available no? Or do you prefer half assed security instead?

I don't think the need or desire for security and impinging on the right to film in public places are necessarily correlated. At least I sure hope they're not. I think the question is, according to your line of reasoning, to what extent does public video and image recording impede the functionality of the TSA to provide security? In my opinion, it does not affect them adversely enough for me to trade the surrender of liberty for the safety and security they purport to provide. Just my opinion. It's a debate that goes back to before the Constitutional Congress when the country was being created.

I personally think the TSA is ineffectual, moot, a waste of a billion dollars a year, and primarily set up to 1. acclimate people to the creeping police state and 2. give thousands of people jobs in a time when real unemployment in this country is somewhere around 15-20%. But that's just opinion. I honestly think that the success of the TSA in doing their job, whatever you think of it, is not so adversely affected by people filming and taking pictures that they must no longer do so.

People in positions of power generally don't like when the spotlight is shone back on them. That's nothing new.

 

[MadMaxNine]

This. + Rep.

I don't think the need or desire for security and impinging on the right to film in public places are necessarily correlated. At least I sure hope they're not. I think the question is, according to your line of reasoning, to what extent does public video and image recording impede the functionality of the TSA to provide security? In my opinion, it does not affect them adversely enough for me to trade the surrender of liberty for the safety and security they purport to provide. Just my opinion. It's a debate that goes back to before the Constitutional Congress when the country was being created.

I personally think the TSA is ineffectual, moot, a waste of a billion dollars a year, and primarily set up to 1. acclimate people to the creeping police state and 2. give thousands of people jobs in a time when real unemployment in this country is somewhere around 15-20%. But that's just opinion. I honestly think that the success of the TSA in doing their job, whatever you think of it, is not so adversely affected by people filming and taking pictures that they must no longer do so.

People in positions of power generally don't like when the spotlight is shone back on them. That's nothing new.

 

[MadMaxNine]

^^ BTW I don't mean to be a dick to anyone, opinions shift all the time and I have a lot of times, reconsidered certain opinions I held true. But honestly, it's tempting to be an extremist and say no security OR no rights security, when the reality is there are rules and regulations that center right in the crux of the matter to find the fairest balance for all parties involved, be it citizens and security personnel to achieve travel security. If you listen to the link I posted about the trial, you'll get to listen to a jury of your peers (americans) listen to both sides of the argument and agree with the citizen. This is huge, this case is why the american system is great, the people have spoken and this case will be used in all further incidents as precedent.

 

[TigerUK]

Brave? That's BRAVE?

some would say being openly gay is a lot braver than supressing your homosexuality and back in a 40's there were a lot of homosexuals who supressed their feelings.

 

[TigerUK]

if being a real life troll is brave, then shoot me.

 

[Dave_IL]

The very fact that the more intense screenings are random and not profile specific means they are useless. So our security is based on a random chance the right person gets screened? BS...

Also those who are revolving this around "airport security" should really listen to Napolitano's speeches. She has already alluded to the backscatter devices are being made into mobile platforms and will be used as necessary at other locations. Its always a gradual creep, but I am not surprised at apathy from the current generation.

The fact is no one is going to change their mind while reading the WF board, you will only change your mind when the government turns their scrutiny on you for something you might or might not have done. I'll stick with Ben Franklin's thought:
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

For those that think they have nothing to learn from our past, I only hope for your sake you never have to find out how wrong you are.