One More Health Care Thread: The Race In Massachusetts

[hellblazer]

The largest bureaucracy this country will ever see for less than 4% of the population? Kiss my ass. And anyone who thinks that because Mass instituted universal health care, that it somehow insinuates hypocrisy among republicans is a fucking moron. That's fucking states rights for you. That's how it is supposed to be! If the people of Mass want universal health care, fine, let them have it. If the people of Colorado don't, fine, they don't. Why do you think we have states in the first place? Why do you think it was a requirement before a state JOINED the union that they draft a state constitution? Read the 10th fucking amendment, which clearly says that this is a state issue. God fucking damn it, it's not that fucking hard. Fuck! This country is doomed.

Yes, you're one of the few that has actually examined the numbers behind that atrocious "46 million uninsured" talking point.

It's only when somebody looks under the surface of those alleged 'uninsured' that they realize what a huge crock of shit it is.

First of all, look at how many people actually have insurance.

Then look at the breakdown of that "46 million":

This is where you begin to realize they jimmied the numbers. Out of the 46 million:

• 11 million are eligible for Medicaid/SCHIP or are a counting error
• 9 million are foreign nationals, i.e. NOT U.S. citizens
• 10 million make THREE times the federal poverty level. I.E, they've got MONEY
• 5 million are young healthy adults who could give a fuck about insurance

That only leaves 11 million who are poor and actually need insurance.

In other words, 3.6% of the American population.

I'll say that again.

3.6% of the American population.

They want to fundamentally change the ENTIRE American system for less than 4% of the American population. That's insane.

It's a giant scam. What they really want to do is set up a giant system that we're all beholden to. And they had to inflate the numbers because when you look at it, it's not nearly as catastrophic as they claim. It's a huge fucking con.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

What do we do about the 11 million people then?

Also, what about the huge 16% of GDP pie?

Aren't these two legitimate concerns?

 

[praxus]

So the 5 million young people don't count because they're young? Yeah young people never have accidents or get sick. Then the 10 million don't count because they make 3 times the poverty level? Riiiight. Its great to know that people making 60k or whatver have no need for health insurance. What a complete crock.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

So Brown voted for Romneycare?

Politics LOL

Here's another good article.

Slate - How Romneycare Killed Obamacare

Massachusetts to Washington: "I got mine."

 

[JMan1234]

So the 5 million young people don't count because they're young? Yeah young people never have accidents or get sick. Then the 10 million don't count because they make 3 times the poverty level? Riiiight. Its great to know that people making 60k or whatver have no need for health insurance. What a complete crock.

I think all of those making 3x the poverty level can afford their own insurance, but choose not to (excluding those with pre existing conditions).

Same deal with the young people. Anyone (without a pre existing condition) can get a policy for around $100 month at eHealthInsurance.com, they simply choose not to, because they don't care about it.

 

[bgd2010]

So the 5 million young people don't count because they're young? Yeah young people never have accidents or get sick. Then the 10 million don't count because they make 3 times the poverty level? Riiiight. Its great to know that people making 60k or whatver have no need for health insurance. What a complete crock.

no, the 5 million young people in many cases choose to not have health insurance because they don't use health services enough to make it worth it for them. same reason i don't buy rubbers. just wouldnt get any mileage out of them.

the point on the 3x/poverty level argument is that these are people who can afford health insurance but choose to not pay for it. for many of these americans, lack of health insurance is a matter of priority setting. they'd rather spend their money on other shit. USA is not a place where you get to have other people pay for your shit because you'd rather spend the money on other stuff. you need to be responsible for yourself.

@hellblazer - can you cite a source for those slides plz? i havent seen the #s that concise before.

 

[hellblazer]

@hellblazer - can you cite a source for those slides plz? i havent seen the #s that concise before.

The data is from the Census and the CPS, although it was assembled by Keith Hennessey, a pretty good writer.

 

[praxus]

Thanks for the clarifications. I'd agree they have themselves to blame in that case.

 

[papajohn56]

Did I say it rocks?

People in Mass apparently are ok with their system right now, they want to keep it the same.

I think that was a major part of Brown's victory.

Anecdotal evidence about people liking it

 

[papajohn56]

Jon Stewart's Special Comment on Keith Olbermann | Indecision Forever | Comedy Central

at least we see the Daily Show going after both sides now (though it pisses me off still that people use it as a source of news)

 

[Crisis]

And yet for some reason fucking Nazis like you want to shove it down our throat. Mind your own fucking business and keep your shitty policies to yourself.

Haha, that's what I think when I read one of your endless political posts.

I just hope one day, you lose everything Hellblazer and end up faced with a $100,000 bill for facial reconstruction surgery after someone has thrown acid in your face. Even then I'm sure you'd still blindly argue that the USA has the best system in the world.

 

[papajohn56]

Haha, that's what I think when I read one of your endless political posts.

I just hope one day, you lose everything Hellblazer and end up faced with a $100,000 bill for facial reconstruction surgery after someone has thrown acid in your face. Even then I'm sure you'd still blindly argue that the USA has the best system in the world.

wow if you seriously hope that over some political posts on the internet, you need to get your fucking head checked

 

[hellblazer]

I just hope one day, you lose everything Hellblazer and end up faced with a $100,000 bill for facial reconstruction surgery after someone has thrown acid in your face.

You're a fuckin' psycho. WTF is up with neg repping me on some post I made a week ago? Are you going through all of my posts like some stalker or some shit? Get your fuckin' head checked, dude.

 

[johnysc430]

Haha, that's what I think when I read one of your endless political posts.

I just hope one day, you lose everything Hellblazer and end up faced with a $100,000 bill for facial reconstruction surgery after someone has thrown acid in your face. Even then I'm sure you'd still blindly argue that the USA has the best system in the world.

WOW what a cocksucker

 

[BluAffiliate]

He will burn in hell for what he's done to hellblazer.

 

[papajohn56]

Haha, that's what I think when I read one of your endless political posts.

I just hope one day, you lose everything Hellblazer and end up faced with a $100,000 bill for facial reconstruction surgery after someone has thrown acid in your face. Even then I'm sure you'd still blindly argue that the USA has the best system in the world.

congratulations, you proved what a shithead you really are. gtfo.

 

[popeye]

Haha, that's what I think when I read one of your endless political posts.

I just hope one day, you lose everything Hellblazer and end up faced with a $100,000 bill for facial reconstruction surgery after someone has thrown acid in your face. Even then I'm sure you'd still blindly argue that the USA has the best system in the world.

lulz..butthurt libs are funny