Peter Schiff at the DNC - Let's Ban Profits!

[Moxie]

(ex. If the libertarian ethic is based on the axiom of non-aggression, and voting is defined as choosing rulers who rule others by force, what does the Libertarian Party stand for? And how does a libertarian justify the act of voting, even if he is voting for an anarchist?)

Well, there are many questions like these. Should a libertarian even recognize a border with Mexico, yet alone support it being enforced with the use of tax money?

I'm starting to think that voices that oppose the real routes to freedom, like those of Chomsky and Keynes, and even many of our presidents lately, are given the spotlight by TPTB

Chomsky mostly just gets covered by alternative US media. Criticizing TPTB is his thing and he doesn't fit into their democrat/republican paradigm box. He co-wrote "Manufacturing Consent", which is about the media. I haven't read it, but I've noticed it recommended together with "The Century of the Self", which we know you like.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXh1_ubCQAI]Noam Chomsky comments about National Public Radio - YouTube[/ame]


TLDW = Chomsky NPR segment got cut at the last minute by higher up, first time employee had seen that happen

 

[johnmatrix]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5knEXDsrL4]Bill Clinton speaks at the 2012 DNC (C-SPAN) - Full Speech - YouTube[/ame]

 

[lukep]

Chomsky mostly just gets covered by alternative US media. Criticizing TPTB is his thing and he doesn't fit into their democrat/republican paradigm box. He co-wrote "Manufacturing Consent", which is about the media. I haven't read it, but I've noticed it recommended together with "The Century of the Self", which we know you like.

This all fits into my point nicely though. TPTB can handle a little voice of opposition or two. It's like water on a ducks back to them, and the crazier the lunitic sounds opposing them, all the better.

Meanwhile, this lunatic is leading smart-ish people AWAY from the best path to freedom. (In fact I can't see how Chomsky can call his vision freedom at all...)

TPTB know that anyone who tries to build a society the Chomsky way will wind up failing and further strengthening their own plan. So they have no problem letting him speak.

Meanwhile, anyone building a society the AnarchoCapitalist way could very well be successful and if the world sees that successful society work without rulers, TPTB are DONE.

 

[erect]

..The idea of painting the GOP as the party of the crazy extremists seems the running theme of the show. A lot of time is spent on discussing snippets taken out of context painting GOP officials in a bad light, while I couldn't spot a single moment of criticism on the current administration or its officials in the whole series.

Newsroom criticizes the Tea Party (bachmann, palin, rand paul, koch brothers ...) while adamantly being "card carrying republicans".

I feel like personally, my moral fiber is stronger if I don't talk about shit I don't know. I can't for the life of me see how people can possibly can lean liberal. It's all poppycock and only complete morons catch a whiff of it and thinks it smells good.

I have zero chance of making sense to them, they're too far removed from reality. They honestly want to live in 1984. With republicans, I'm already half way there. Hell, even anarchists are.

 

[Moxie]

TPTB can handle a little voice of opposition or two. It's like water on a ducks back to them,

Federal judge blocks National Defense Authorization Act provision - Los Angeles Times

In a stunning turnaround for an act of Congress, a judge ruled Wednesday that a counterterrorism provision of the National Defense Authorization Act, an annual defense appropriations bill, is unconstitutional..

Seven individuals, including Pulitzer Prize-winning former New York Times foreign correspondent Chris Hedges, MIT linguist Noam Chomsky and “Pentagon Papers” activist Daniel Ellsberg, had sued President Barack Obama, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, and a host of other government officials..

 

[Moxie]

They honestly want to live in 1984.

The current Republican nominee has pledged to ban porn, meanwhile you are a user named "erect" on a board where one of the main themes is forwarding people to an anal sex video, which depicts an act that was still illegal in 14 states before the Supreme Court stepped in a few years back. Do you think those were "blue" or "red" states?

Jimmy Carter wanted to allow people to possess small amounts of marijuana in the 70s. Reagan came in and started the war on drugs, which is the main reason for the gargantuan prison system.


PATRIOT Act Extension - H.R.514: FISA Sunsets Extension Act of 2011 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

Republican 211 YEAS, 26 NAYS
Democrat 68 YEAS, 117 NAYS

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

The current Republican nominee has pledged to ban porn

The current Democrat President has legalized the murder of US citizens, allowing for names to be placed on an assassination list where they are denied Due Process, Trial By Jury etc. prior to being killed, with no opportunity for recourse or defense.

I know you're well aware of this, so please don't try to defend one party over the other when you know the whole system is corrupt to the core.

 

[lukep]

Moxie's gonna Moxie.

 

[Moxie]

The current Democrat President has legalized the murder of US citizens, allowing for names to be placed on an assassination list where they are denied Due Process, Trial By Jury etc. prior to being killed, with no opportunity for recourse or defense.

I know you're well aware of this, so please don't try to defend one party over the other when you know the whole system is corrupt to the core.

Listing facts is not defending anything. I was responding to comments that said Republicans were half way there and that the Democrats were poppycock (zero?) of the way there, to the extreme that they want "1984", or something like that. I was pointing out how the Republicans have actually been more extreme when it comes to pushing for certain aspects of a 1984 world.

I imagine Romney also supports the kill list and Republicans are generally more in favor of things like the death penalty and warfare, so bringing that topic up doesn't make them seem any less 1984ish.

Moxie's gonna Moxie.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

I imagine Romney also supports the kill list

Of course he does, that's why it's never ended up as a talking point. Can you imagine if the Republicans actually ran a platform based on protections of civil liberties, with fiscal responsibility - Obama would lose half his support in one day. Republican Party was stupid for doing what they did to RP's people, they had a chance to deliver a knock-out blow by getting all the young people on board for the next generation..