SCHOOL SHOOTING ... FUCK

The frequency and scale of these shootings is getting out of hand and something has to be done, but neither side seems open to even debating the facts.

Violent crime is at its lowest rate in 40 years and has been steadily decreasing since the early 90's. Now that we have the Internet and 24 hour news channels it has a tendency to magnify what's happening, but the stats don't lie.

You know what the most brutal school massacre in US history was? The Bath School Disaster in 1927. Guess how many guns were used...

None. Because when a crazy motherfucker decides he's going to kill he finds a way to kill. You can't legislate against crazy, you can only attempt to protect yourself from it.
 


Police said Adam Lanza, dressed in all black, was armed with two handguns and a semi-automatic Bushmaster .223 rifle when he barged into the school.

...and here comes the plug for the ar-15s. I'm gonna do a google search right here as I'm typing this, one second:

Gun deaths yearly (USA):

87/day = 31,755 yearly. (accident/suicide/murder,etc)

Now let's take fucking car accidents

32,367 per year (USA): Source

Should we bad cars?

Tobacco related deaths per year (USA):
443,000 per year: Source

That's fucking 13.95 times more than that of guns, ban ciggz? I personally have never smoked in my life, but I say yes.

Alcohol related deaths per year (USA):
24,518 (Excluding accidents, domestic violence, stupidity, unemployment, homeless, etc).

Just saying... Other things are to be banned. Plus, we should allow guns freely like in arizona. Watch this video; I'm sure teachers would very much do the same thing once they heard shots poppin off.

How to stop a massacre:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlZX9jMFJZQ]How To Stop a Massacre - YouTube[/ame]


http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/
 
I picture you doing some shit like these mass shootings...

I can see you snapping and killing a bunch of people...

Wow, accusing someone of being a future mass murderer?

I generally don't think very many things are banworthy, but that's probably one of them.
 
It's been said before but I'll say it again, in almost every case of these types of shootings, the shooters were on some kind of anti-depressant.

Anti-depressants are relatively new, rampage killers are not.

List of rampage killers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

People feel a little blue and get on these prescriptions, then shortly after fall off a cliff deeper in their depression than they would have ever been otherwise.

A small percent report side effects like this. At that point, the doctor isn't suppose to keep them on something that was making them worse than before.

It is ignorant to say that these drugs have zero influence on these violent events.

Anything can potentially be an influence, but it would ignorant for someone to say they knew for sure that these people would not have killed if they were drug free.

Russian court sanctions arrest of drunk school shooter | Russia | RIA Novosti

There is lots of evidence linking alcohol to violence, but at any given time millions of people are drunk (just like millions take anti-depressants and millions play video games) but only a very miniscule percent of those people end up taking violence to the mass shooting level.
 
Wow, accusing someone of being a future mass murderer?

I generally don't think very many things are banworthy, but that's probably one of them.

Are you trying to ban yourself or are you not aware that you've made similar statements in here in regards to Obama and/or the Communists and the school children?
 
Anti-depressants are relatively new, rampage killers are not.

List of rampage killers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That doesn't dismiss them as a potential agonist for mass murderers.

A small percent report side effects like this. At that point, the doctor isn't suppose to keep them on something that was making them worse than before.

A small percent also shoot up malls and schools full of children. Just a small percent though so who cares about them?

Anything can potentially be an influence, but it would ignorant for someone to say they knew for sure that these people would not have killed if they were drug free.

Yeah that's pretty cool and dismissive and everything, but wrong. "He liked pizza too, maybe pizza was the influence!" Antidepressants directly affect a person's brain chemistry, mood, state of mind, perception, whatever you want to label it. If Lanza was on antidepressants when he did this, then it would be safe to say that they were an influence.

Russian court sanctions arrest of drunk school shooter | Russia | RIA Novosti

There is lots of evidence linking alcohol to violence, but at any given time millions of people are drunk (just like millions take anti-depressants and millions play video games) but only a very miniscule percent of those people end up taking violence to the mass shooting level.

The percentage of the entire human populace that commits mass murder is a very minuscule percent as well so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

If only .01% of prozac users commit mass murder, but 95% of mass murderers were on prozac, then you can dismiss it as an influence since it was such a small percentage of total prozac users?
 
From what I remember vaguely, 60% of all gun related deaths are due to suicides. In those statistics usually police shootings, people protecting their home, etc.etc.etc. are all rolled in, to have as fat a number as possible.

As was said before in the thread: The piece of shit STOLE the guns. Gun control laws worked since he was even to YOUNG to legally purchase a firearm. The only way to do away with something like this is to magically make all guns disappear. Good.Luck.With.That!

Yesterday in China a crazy guy went with a KNIFE into a school and slashed 22 students. Do they now ban all knives in China? 22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack - ABC News
 
I picture you doing some shit like these mass shootings...

I can see you snapping and killing a bunch of people...

you've made similar statements...

I've never stated such a thing about another forum member.

Political prognostications about national/international forces actively vying for power are a completely different ballgame.

The fact that you people would be willing to stoop to such a level to make your point is beyond disgusting.

Mods, I leave it in your hands whether such a reprehensible statement to another member is worthy of a ban.
 
A small percent also shoot up malls and schools full of children. Just a small percent though so who cares about them?

Huh? I was responding to someone that said the anti-depressants were "notorious" for doing such and such. To me the use of a word like that would suggest that a large percent of anti-depressant users were having these side effects. So I was pointing out that it was a small percent who actually do.

Marijuana effects brain chemistry and also can have side effects, but words like "notorious" were the type thrown around in the "reefer madness" days, and many people did believe that marijuana use was causing murder. The same type of attitude helped to get alcohol banned under prohibition.

Again, I'm not saying that alcohol and whatever else can't contribute in a big way, but what I am trying to point out is that for emotional events people always look for simplified black and white explanations, and this type of thinking can exaggerate the dangers of alcohol, etc.

Some other things that effect brain chemistry :
Soda linked to aggression in teens
Video Games Change Brain Chemistry: Study | NBC Chicago
This Is Your Brain On Violent Media

"He liked pizza too, maybe pizza was the influence!"

OK, pizza likely can't be a main influence, but we are talking about an ultra rare event. A rare amount of pizza might contain rotten ingredients and chemicals that may effect a small percent of the populations brain chemistry in an unknown way. Eating too much pizza can make people overweight, being overweight can make people angry, etc.

Some pizza has MSG, which mainstream medicine has declared to have potential side effects. If we look to "alternative" sources, then the fears of MSG are even greater, and yes, some of them think it can cause violence.

The percentage of the entire human populace that commits mass murder is a very minuscule percent as well so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

The less anything of this type happens, the less sure of an idea we can have about what causes it. The more people who do behavior A, but do not commit behavior B, the less sure we can be that A is a causation for B. If only 100 people played video games and all 100 of those people committed murder, this would be a super strong correlation that would suggest (but not prove) that A causes B. But when millions play video games and do not commit murder, this weakens the causation argument, though it does not disprove it.

Homicide and other violent crime rates continue to go way down, while at the same time things like video games and anti-depressants are more in use than ever before.
 
I've never stated such a thing about another forum member.

Political prognostications about national/international forces actively vying for power are a completely different ballgame.

The fact that you people would be willing to stoop to such a level to make your point is beyond disgusting.

Mods, I leave it in your hands whether such a reprehensible statement to another member is worthy of a ban.
Aint no one banning me for making a point that I am sure 90% of the people here have thought.

Can you for just one fucking thread not bring your looney toons bullshit into the fold. You could turn any thread into a shit fuck of alex jones, storm front conspiracy retardation.

What makes me laugh even more is those sites feed off you and get you to buy all sorts of useless shit. You most likely spend more money on WHAT IF shit you have no time to just enjoy life.

OMG he said to enjoy life, how can I enjoy life with Neo-Nazi Communist Socialism King Obama is in fucking office.

Do people even talk to you in real life.
 
Huh? I was responding to someone that said the anti-depressants were "notorious" for doing such and such. To me the use of a word like that would suggest that a large percent of anti-depressant users were having these side effects. So I was pointing out that it was a small percent who actually do.

Marijuana effects brain chemistry and also can have side effects, but words like "notorious" were the type thrown around in the "reefer madness" days, and many people did believe that marijuana use was causing murder. The same type of attitude helped to get alcohol banned under prohibition.

If a small percentage of people suffered spontaneous combustion as a side effect of taking aspirin, aspirin would still be recognized as notorious for causing spontaneous combustion in some people, even if it only occurred in 0.0001% of patients taking it.

If anything my argument was taking away from the core argument that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Sometimes there are other factors that cause people who would normally not kill, to kill. It can be anti-depressant side effects, alcohol intoxication, or someone just following orders. Either way, its not a reason to limit how other people can defend themselves.
 
Bama's making a speech now. He's starting to make his case for gun control it sounds like at a prayer vigil.


On a side note.. anyone getting sick of this mystatus.skype.com shit continually trying to load on WF?
 
Bama's making a speech now. He's starting to make his case for gun control it sounds like at a prayer vigil.

If this would been a typical work place shooting with no kids killed, nobody would be talking about gun control. When the planes were hijacked on 9/11 they solved the problem by making better cockpit doors and pre-screening, not controlling the number of planes that can fly. Anybody with kids go and see if their school could have prevented a similar instance. Raise my taxes to put a cop at the school, I'm good with that. I'm sure alot of resource officers are already in place but the government didn't' have any issues creating the TSA now with 58000 employees and an 8+ billion budget so no reason it can't protect the schools.

Hundreds of years of fighting with guns and now someone thinks gun control needs to be addressed,, yeah whatever..