Scientology & Fetuses!

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the only thing I have to say about abortion is this:

if you live in an overpopulated country like china, then it would seem logical to allow abortion as a means of population control...

if however, you live in a county with a shrinking population like japan or many western nations, I can see the logic in outlawing abortion... if a population falls below maintenance levels it can cause an economic collapse...

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as for Scientology... words like fail, fraud, bullshit, brainwashing, retarded and crazy come to mind...
 


Here's one of the big differences between the Repubs and I ... There is NO WAY IN HELL I would ever consider writing laws outlawing abortions. That said, it's really not a voting point for me. There are many bigger fish to fry.

I'm viciously pro-life for me and mine but I certainly don't have a bleeding heart for others. The way I see it, fuck it ... go kill your children. They would likely have been a burden to society and you would likely have been a shit father/mother if you were even considering this option.

Leave RvW the way it is ... the freedom of choice is a great thing for everyone.
 
I'm not against abortion BUT, i think the deadline (uk atleast) is wrong.
There have been babies born before 24 weeks and lived, which makes the 24 week deadline unethical and should be lowered.

The limit should be around 12 weeks imo, any longer and you start to get intelligent life forming.
 
Abortions for Some! Miniature American flags for Others!
YYAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!

As for Scientology.... Anyone heard of Landmark Education?
It's basically the same thing as Scientology minus the pseudo-religious stuff so they DO pay taxes, but probably get in all the people who have heard about Scientology before and know to stay away.
The guy that set it up in the 80s also has a lot of connections to CoS.

As for Scientology, yeah, dodgey as all get out. If you don't operate in a country because they don't give tax free status to religions (ala Germany), I think that says a bit of something about how seriously you take your religious message.
 
tortuous said:
I'm not against abortion BUT, i think the deadline (uk atleast) is wrong.
There have been babies born before 24 weeks and lived, which makes the 24 week deadline unethical and should be lowered.

The limit should be around 12 weeks imo, any longer and you start to get intelligent life forming.
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If you're going to have an abortion, do it in the first trimester. Waiting until the second trimester is just lazy and stupid. Third trimester is barbaric.

(This assumes normal, healthy, non-rape baby fetus)

EDIT: Of course, it's my opinion that abortion (except for when the mother's life is in danger) is very undesirable and tragic. Use condoms, get on the pill, or find someone to adopt the baby.
 
To throw more fuel in the fire (lol) I'm very pro-choice and very pro-abstinence training as well!!

I know I may get flamed by some liberal thinking women but I happen to think that since often it's the girl who makes the decision about whom she'll sleep with (unless she is forced), we need to teach young girls that chastity is cool and sexy.

There needs to be a way to teach more traditional principles without throwing religion into the mix. If more young girls felt like it was cool to have fewer partners and to wait until they were more mature to make decisions about sex (at least) and in a committed relationship (on the other end of the spectrum), there would be FAR FEWER ABORTIONS.

Chances are if a young girl is a)financially stable b)in a committed relationship BEFORE she gets pregnant, chances are she and the father will end up having the kid in the first place even if it is unplanned.

We need to find a way in America not to throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to some things.....

Try to talk about abortion with a far right pro-lifer and they don't want to hear it.....

Try to talk about abstinence education with a far lefter and they don't want to hear it....

When I can get off my lazy ass I'm going to try to do some of the volunteer work I used to do with young teenagers, especially girls.

They need to be taught that chastity and virtue can be sexy and cool and you can decide to wait and things will turn out just as good and often times alot better.

Of course I had the benefit of several older brothers to give me the straight talk when it comes to guys (God rest their souls...)
 
Best abstinence education would probably be giving them real sex education with a heavy emphasis on the hygiene aspects of it... including statistics like 1:8 sexually active males have genital herpes.

Scare the shit out of them, I say.

With everything my yr9 Human Relations teacher had taught me, I was genuinely worried about my dick going green and falling off, ala Leisure Suit Larry, the first few times I got laid, so I made damn sure to keep some rubbers in my wallet.
 
riddarhusetgal said:
we need to teach young girls that chastity is cool and sexy.
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No. Girls and boys needs to be taught cold, hard, facts. Not what is or what isn't cool/sexy.
riddarhusetgal said:
There needs to be a way to teach more traditional principles without throwing religion into the mix. If more young girls felt like it was cool to have fewer partners and to wait until they were more mature to make decisions about sex (at least) and in a committed relationship (on the other end of the spectrum), there would be FAR FEWER ABORTIONS.
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There would also be far fewer abortions if girls were put in cages until they turned 18. Or.. maybe..MAYBE.. they should get educated about the stuff that they are going to do no matter how many adults tell them not to.

riddarhusetgal said:
They need to be taught that chastity and virtue can be sexy and cool and you can decide to wait and things will turn out just as good and often times alot better.
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Again. No. Nobody needs to be taugth anything else but facts.
 
I guess what I'm saying is that if you look at the "problem demographic" when it comes to who is having abortions - en masse - it's not about sex, it's about alot of emotional/mental issues.

Alot of these young girls have sex because they want to feel loved, or they want to hang on to a guy, etc., etc.

To me "progressive abstinence" would be about of course teaching young girls about save sex from a purely physical point of view.

But that would just be "part 1". The "part 2" would be about teaching them how to make the right decisions about sex.

You'd be surprised dude but these days alot of kids (both male and female) are not getting the old birds and the bees talk. Alot of their parents are just like "oh they are probably having sex anyway" and just yell at them "use a condom!" or "get some birth control pills" yet there's no sitting down with them and explaining to them how to make decisions about something as powerful as sex.

And we all know sex is very powerful. I mean think about how many kingdoms, presidencies, etc have been threatened because of it? If powerful world leaders aren't immune to such things, how much more so young, often abandoned kids who have no one to talk to unless it's someone telling them they are going to hell if they do it (on the one hand) or telling them they are strange if they don't do it (on the other)...
 
pat J said:
No. Girls and boys needs to be taught cold, hard, facts. Not what is or what isn't cool/sexy.


There would also be far fewer abortions if girls were put in cages until they turned 18. Or.. maybe..MAYBE.. they should get educated about the stuff that they are going to do no matter how many adults tell them not to.



Again. No. Nobody needs to be taugth anything else but facts.
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Um, what the hell are you talking about? I'm talking from experience having worked with troubled youth on a volunteer basis.

What exactly are "COLD HARD FACTS"?? There aren't such a thing. What I'm talking about AS A WOMAN is something that I have seen that WORKS!!

What I am saying is that for a lot of young when who end up in these situations it's not as simple as saying "use birth control and/or don't fuck"....

I'm tired of liberals breaking everything thing down to something that was read on pg. 4 of a scientific handbook.

Life is alot more complex than that. We need a combination of both liberal and conservative/traditional tactics to create solutions that work.
 
riddarhusetgal said:

Um, what the hell are you talking about? I'm talking from experience having worked with troubled youth on a volunteer basis.

What exactly are "COLD HARD FACTS"?? There aren't such a thing. What I'm talking about AS A WOMAN is something that I have seen that WORKS!!

What I am saying is that for a lot of young when who end up in these situations it's not as simple as saying "use birth control and/or don't fuck"....

I'm tired of liberals breaking everything thing down to something that was read on pg. 4 of a scientific handbook.

Life is alot more complex than that. We need a combination of both liberal and conservative/traditional tactics to create solutions that work.
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Could you please stop using annoying fonts/colors/bold etc?

What i'm talking about? I'm talking about teaching boys and girls the facts of life then sit back and watch them make their own mistakes. The ONLY thing that is going to reduce unwanted pregnancies is education.

When you have sex, you can get pregnant. <----- Fact.

You shouldn't have sex because you can get pregnant... which is bad!!! <------ Not fact.

Not having sex is cooool! Most women wait until they are 19 to have sex! You should too! <------ Not fact.

Condoms are not always 100% safe. <----- Fact.

It is not necessary for the boy to ejaculate to get pregnant. <---- Fact.
 
I think PhreOnBurn needs some articles to write. He's got too much time on his hands. Anybody got any work for him?
 
alexa7 said:
I think PhreOnBurn needs some articles to write. He's got too much time on his hands. Anybody got any work for him?
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I've actually got a shit ton of work lined up

But I think I'm on illegal doses of antihistamines, dayquil, Ibuprofin, and clorpheniramine. And im sick. And sneezing and coughing blood.

I can manage to write here idk why

But the second i open a doc... I just cant do it

Or, at least, I wouldnt want to give my customers the BS i would turn out...

So break time for me

Unlucky for you apparently, I have a magical device called a laptop. So, I get to sit here and post BS threads all drugged the F up all day long while I lay in bed naked... Covered in cheeto crumbs.

:)

Edit: What I DO need is some recommendations on some strong ass severe cold medications I can get without a 'scrip and without crossing the border...

Cuz Im practically gonna overdose on everything I have and none of it works... lol
 
pat J said:
Could you please stop using annoying fonts/colors/bold etc?

What i'm talking about? I'm talking about teaching boys and girls the facts of life then sit back and watch them make their own mistakes. The ONLY thing that is going to reduce unwanted pregnancies is education.

When you have sex, you can get pregnant. <----- Fact.

You shouldn't have sex because you can get pregnant... which is bad!!! <------ Not fact.

Not having sex is cooool! Most women wait until they are 19 to have sex! You should too! <------ Not fact.

Condoms are not always 100% safe. <----- Fact.

It is not necessary for the boy to ejaculate to get pregnant. <---- Fact.
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Do you care to take a second and actually read what I have said? Here are the facts:

1) I have a graduate degree in education (why is this relevant? I've been formally trained in how to teach students "FACTS" and did so in a former life...after working at a top tier management consulting firm, investment bank and tech start up....which is another story...)

2) I AM A WOMAN and hence uniquely able to understand the needs of women in a way that a man cannot (example: have you ever tried explaining to a woman what it feels like when your balls itch?)

3) I have over a decade of experience working with this target demographic (i.e. those most likely to get abortions...statistics proves that age, class, race, socio-economics are statistically significant factors which effect this risk group)


4) Students have been taught 'FACT' in schools for years (FACT...google the history of sex education in school, current federal mandates, etc.)

5) Traditionally strategies of doing (4) have not worked (this is a FACT measured by policy goals set to reduce abortions, teenage pregnancies, etc. by X% - none have fared well)

Am I saying that as a man you cannot or shouldn't have an opinion? Of course not...
But what I am saying is that many of these policies have proven utterly ineffectual because instead of listening to the ones who are most equipped to get into the hearts and minds of the people with problems - and those who have the formal and experiential knowledge base - many (often times men) "decide" what they believe "needs" to happen based on theory and then go ahead and do it. Simply "teaching the facts" have not worked. Period. Full Stop. All you have to do is whip out a nice excel spreadsheet and plot the data points on the "x" axis of your standard sex education syllabus and the number of abortions on the "y" axis (percentage that is)

Abortion rate = f(standard sex education curriculum)


I would encourage you however not to take my word for it. Try volunteering once a month at a planned parenthood center then use the strategies which you purport will work.

If they don't, try some of the suggestions listed here. Whatever proves most effectual, go with that....

This is not mindless banter here though. Too many people can write about problems and theories which sound actionable in "theory" and don't work in practice....
 
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