Because it's much easier for them to just attack our troops now that we're in striking range.
Senator Rand Paul detained by the TSA
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Six myths about Sept. 11. - Slate Magazine
2. The misconception: We know how the hijackers seized the planes. Within days of Sept. 11, Americans believed they knew how the planes were grabbed: Terrorists had taken control by stabbing pilots, passengers, and flight attendants with box cutters and knives.
What's wrong with the story: It's incomplete and misleading. We don't really know what happened on the planes. The cockpit voice recorder survived neither New York crash and was damaged beyond salvage in the Pentagon crash. The Flight 93 voice recorder doesn't start until several minutes after the hijackers took the plane. What little we know about tactics and weapons comes from phones calls made by passengers and flight attendants. As Edward Jay Epstein has pointed out, the evidence is incredibly paltry. No one on United Flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center, reported anything about weapons or tactics. One flight attendant on American Flight 11, which also crashed into the World Trade Center, said she was disabled by a chemical spray, while another flight attendant said a passenger was stabbed or shot. On the Pentagon plane, American Flight 77, Barbara Olson reported hijackers carrying knives and box cutters but did not describe how they took the cockpit. And on United Flight 93, passengers reported knives but also a hijacker threatening to explode a bomb. The box cutter-knives story isn't demonstrably false, but it serves to divert attention from the other weapons and to mask the fact that we don't have any idea how the hijackings happened.
Probably because this shit takes time. You think it was planned in a few weeks. They started planning 9/11 in 1995. And now they don't need to come all the way to the states to kill Americans because we're neck deep in the middle east.
Two weeks and then a week on the job. There is recurring computer based training, but it's usually on fully feel good stuff and nothing that really matters. A bit of irony, when I was with them, we had to do a refresher course on the constitution every 6 months. More brainwashing as to how the TSA operates completely within the confines of the constitution.
not interested in conspiracy theories.
It's been 10 years since 911 so plenty of time to come up with "new methods" tho again, I don't see how with the current regulations combined with a reinforced door they could pull it off
I don't buy the whole "well there are troops over there now so plenty to kill". Bullshit. They would LOVE to crash another plane in the US. Sadly people give very little fucks when a few army people are killed. But you crash planes in the US, the fucking world gets turned around.
One important thing that is easy to forget:
The attitude towards hijackings has changed. It used to be that when a plane got hijacked, everyone just shut up and there is a good chance that they let us go. After 9/11 at least 99% of the American populace is saying 'Screw this - I'm dead anyway' and WILL fight back. That's what happened on United 93 and is fresh in the mind of a LOT of airplane passengers. These guys have become true American Hero's. 'Let's Roll'. John Wayne style...
So now the question is - how to get a bomb aboard? There are a TON of easier options then going through TSA security theater. That is to 'reassure' the American Public that your .gov is having everything under control.
Gone through Frankfurt lately? The regular metal detector goes off and you get either wanded down or a quick pat down. However, it's nothing like the pat down on the U.S. side... interesting that they don't believe in giving you the rectal exam like the TSA does...
Again though... folks are not going to go down without a fight in an airplane anymore. Trust me... they are hijacking a plane I'm in and I'll go down fighting... what do I have to loose...? I'll be dead anyway!
The attitude towards hijackings has changed. It used to be that when a plane got hijacked, everyone just shut up and there is a good chance that they let us go. After 9/11 at least 99% of the American populace is saying 'Screw this - I'm dead anyway' and WILL fight back. That's what happened on United 93 and is fresh in the mind of a LOT of airplane passengers. These guys have become true American Hero's. 'Let's Roll'. John Wayne style...
So now the question is - how to get a bomb aboard? There are a TON of easier options then going through TSA security theater. That is to 'reassure' the American Public that your .gov is having everything under control.
Gone through Frankfurt lately? The regular metal detector goes off and you get either wanded down or a quick pat down. However, it's nothing like the pat down on the U.S. side... interesting that they don't believe in giving you the rectal exam like the TSA does...
Again though... folks are not going to go down without a fight in an airplane anymore. Trust me... they are hijacking a plane I'm in and I'll go down fighting... what do I have to loose...? I'll be dead anyway!
fox news is so much like wwe, it's all a soap opera.
His solution is to not stand for the national anthem.. what the fuck is that gonna achieve?
First of all, the quote from the slate basically supports the knife theory, they just say they can't prove that is ALL that was used. Fake bomb, pepperspray, all fine, but ultimately they were taken down with knives and couldn't of pulled it off otherwise.
And again... the point I was trying to make all along is that without the knives/pepperspray/fake bomb (none of which can get thru now with a few rare exceptions) they couldn't of pulled it off.
Have you ever thought that they just are not trying to bring down another plane? You think the TSA is airtight? I worked for them. Trust me when I say it's an open fucking door. If they were still interested in bringing down a plane, they could.
Most fake bombs missed by screeners
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-17-airport-security_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip said:
http://consumerist.com/2007/04/tsa-misses-90-of-bombs-at-denver-airport.html said:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g6620thk08679160/fulltext.pdf said:
But hey, at least they are stopping those cupcakes from getting on board:
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2012/01/tsa-defends-cupcake-confiscation/599877/1
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i read about that cupcake thing smh so dumb.
I don't think tsa is airtight at all, i actually think they suck.. I fly alot and have been going thru tsa since i was 3. and if you worked for them clearly you know what you are talking about.
I guess I just feel like at the very least having more strict screening, especially scans/xray/metal detector type shit would of given the terrorists worse odds of pulling off what they did. Maybe not.. I'm no expert on it.
All I know is, going thru security sucks and I go thru the premium line and its still slow. But if it actually results in lower odds of me being hijacked, I'm down to do whatever.
i read about that cupcake thing smh so dumb.
I don't think tsa is airtight at all, i actually think they suck.. I fly alot and have been going thru tsa since i was 3. and if you worked for them clearly you know what you are talking about.
I guess I just feel like at the very least having more strict screening, especially scans/xray/metal detector type shit would of given the terrorists worse odds of pulling off what they did. Maybe not.. I'm no expert on it.
All I know is, going thru security sucks and I go thru the premium line and its still slow. But if it actually results in lower odds of me being hijacked, I'm down to do whatever.
I don't see it like that, but I'd love for you to explain, perhaps you can help me see things in a new way (not even sarcastic)
Why not stick fingers in peoples butt holes when they get on to a bus or a train? All modes of public transport are ripe for terrorism. Why not have your butt hole probed before taking the subway, why not have a robotic butt finger installed in all cars just to be safe? Why not just stop people in the street and start stretching their butt holes out in case they are carrying a bomb? When will we learn that looking inside butts isn't the answer?
Yes they could have as there have been plenty of hijackings that didn't involve any of those things. Some of the ways that hijackers have taken over cockpits include by using their voice (bomb threats), physical force, fire extinguishers, and by offering a gift of flowers for the pilots.
The main difference now is keeping the cockpit locked. That is why pilots favored this decision:
USATODAY.com - TSA: Scissors, sharp objects back on planes this month
a broader effort aimed at having screeners spend more of their time searching for explosives rather than small, sharp objects that don't pose as great a risk.
NCBI ROFL: Hijacking a plane flown by euthanized pigs: a beginner's manual. | Discoblog | Discover Magazine
Commonly available items including a ball point pen, a plastic knife, a broken wine bottle, and a broken wine glass were used to inflict stab and incised wounds to the necks of 3 previously euthanized Large White pigs. With relative ease, these items could be inserted into the necks of the pigs next to the jugular veins and carotid arteries. Despite precautions against the carrying of metal objects such as knives and nail files on board domestic and international flights, objects are still available within aircraft cabins that could be used to inflict serious and potentially life-threatening injuries. If airport and aircraft security measures are to be consistently applied, then consideration should be given to removing items such as glass bottles and glass drinking vessels. However, given the results of a relatively uncomplicated modification of a plastic knife, it may not be possible to remove all dangerous objects from aircraft. Security systems may therefore need to focus on measures such as increased surveillance of passenger behavior, rather than on attempting to eliminate every object that may serve as a potential weapon.
Typical Fox News wants you to think that only a democrat would say that they would not stand for the national anthem. Freedom Watch and the Stossel Show are on Fox Business and are quite a bit different than standard Fox News programming.
Rand Paul on Freedom Watch - Jan 23, 2012
Gosh I hope never, that entire paragraph you wrote made me wildly aroused until I realized in the last sentence you werent actually in support of such an anal utopia.