Some stories about work at startups

CCarter, you are one of the most authoritative members here. Would you please be so kind to explain how can a company promote their service (not hosting in particular, any kind of service) to people who are too conservative to try something new?

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Or such kind of answer would cost a ton of monies?

To be honest I was here for the sig-bomb. Until the new BST comes out, there is not a lot of options.​

Link confirmed not dickroll. Carry on.

I found a story that has not yet been discussed here and asked for your opinions, if this is true or false. Every WF member has a story, had a shitty experience or probably somebody was in situations like this or even worse.

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But on a serious note, the first clue that you were an outsider pretending to be one of us was wezcountry's post and your follow up reply. [Reference: above interaction]

Anyone that's an insider would know this comment was actually neutral and even a compliment to your story. But you being an outsider didn't realize that, and your follow up comment is what ensued Julian's trolling.

I can go in-depth into how you fucked up the OP and why people think you are a spammer, but simply not understanding what wezcountry meant is enough for the general audience to come to the conclusion of why you are here - shit it's why I'm here - to get exposure for would be customers. We're actual marketers and even marketers get marketed to. Out of curiosity I did browse your website, but seeing that I know I eat up up-to 2TB a day in new storage, there is absolutely no way I would go with your service, besides showing your professionalism by you making a fool of yourself and getting caught in Julian's trolling whirlwind. I never heard of you. Maybe I setup my operation at your place and then you go out of business in a month, I don't know you. I know Linode, Rackspace, LiquidWeb, fuck even Hostgator is more reliable then an "unknown".

So Julian's first post literally explains what a dickroll is, but you harped in on the spamming part. If you were smart you would have done several things differently. First in the OP of this thread you would have written about your own experience and started a dialog, that way any would-be thread de-railer would have a higher barrier to entry to derail the thread. You opted for the lazy 1 fuck sentence of linking to the story and "What do you think?" - I think you are a fucking spammer that's what I think... Xrumer can't create more interaction then your 2 sentence post. Imagine that, a fucking automated robot software can create better interaction then your attempt in your OP.

But let's say you went and gave a 200-1000 word story of shit you've experience or been in, you are now "ADDING VALUE" to the story and now there is a reason to discuss further and take this thread into a positive direction. I'm sure every single person here can tell you campfire stories of horrible operations they've been at or heard about, you went with the lazy spammer route of linking to a story and stating "What do you think?" - I think you are a fucking spammer with shitty cheap service. You might even have good service, but 50% off the bat in your sig, that tells me you think we are cheapskates and have no other value while selling your servers - not even being able to at the very least offer reliable support with a competitive edge.

As for Rackspace not coming here - I do not see them coming anywhere at all and I do not know how they gain clients, because I rarely even find any mentions of them.

Rackspace is a bit busy hosting seminars that actually help web developers like this one where Twitter talks about how they're scaling with Redis... versus posting about nonsense pretending to be an insider in a community.

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That's what they do "ADD VALUE", I know marketing and engaging a community might be lost upon some, but gather around children, let me give you a step by step break down.

1. Don't spam ANY forum with useless threads. If you "ADD VALUE" to an article you saw on the outside, your Shooting the Shit thread will go a lot further.

2. Don't use your company name as your username, that screams spam to anyone with half a brain.

3. Don't annoy the shit out of every single person with your shitty threads and absolutely NEVER pretend to be an insider when you are in fact an outsider. [Reference: "dickrolling" explanation]

4. Create content that "ADDs VALUE", Example If I'm a hosting company, I first would create a unique piece on the different benefits of hosting environments, and post it in the newbie section (or another appropriate section). *cough*Hosting & Domains*cough*. "Why linux is great for this environment, why windows is horrible for anyone with a brain, etc". That would be my first piece. If anyone comes in trying to troll, I ignore them, and keep posting useful post in the thread. Trolls will soon realize they will not get a reaction. The first thing you should have done with Julian's first post was just ignore it and post a second experience that you knew of about working at a horrible place - moving the conversation along. If a troll saw that, they might try again, but would risk being seen as a de-railer to a good thread (but you have to start out with a good foundation in the OP - yours was a spammer's OP, a lazy spammer too - no added value).

5. Next I would look for "RECENT" threads where I can help people that might be stuck on something, whether it be .htaccess, wordpress blank screen, blocking IPs using IPtable, or some thing that a hosting company can add value to. If there is none, I would create a second helpful piece, and continue this cycle of helping people in the community, while writing great content or at least newbie guides for people shopping around for hosting, cloud space, storage, or anything that I might directly be a part of OR just can help with - this is called "community engagement". I know, you may have seen some of these "authoritative members" do the same...

Whether you are posting a STS or newbie guide, or helping out a lost other member, "ADDING VALUE" is the key to becoming a member people can trust, respect, and eventually go to for services in ANY community.

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Take away, I think you should read my Market Research thread. You would quickly realize that your target audience might just well be at WarriorForum - the people selling the WSOs and ebooks need reliable hosting - versus selling directly to the crowd of people that have no clue how to make their first dollar online and are starting out.

You aren't going to necessarily find it here since most people are going to go with known brands they can trust and rely on since they know they won't go out of business in the next week and leave people scrambling to move whole operations. Linode, LiquidWeb, Rackspace - those are guys I don't know directly but I've seen give presentations and help within their communities, versus just spamming for sig-bombs.

You talk about me with this "authoritative members" label - but you don't seem to take cues from any direct knowledge or indirect actions I take. There are times I'm constantly in the newbie section helping out new users, cause those newbies can be future powerful allies or customers - you never know. I've met undercover trillionaires and people that run agencies that needed a source for topics I've written about - but they only approach me cause I've added enough value to the community whereas they don't think I'm just some random spammer with a sig-bomb talking about my new latest feature... or maybe I am - it doesn't matter, you simply don't reply to trolls dumby... They'll make you look like you are going in defense by every reply trying to counter their troll. [Reference: this whole thread]

2) $60 a thread is not a price to consider, but initial analysis of this forum showed that this community is not interested in hosting (no discussions of hosts, no hosting promos, no hosting news + some private conversations just confirmed that everyone around here has a provider that suits their needs best)

Since then, posting a BST thread here was not considered an option


WickedFire >> Hosting & Domains

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How about you go in there and help people out or create some useful UNIQUE ORIGINAL content about hosting and various problems and how to solve them...? Actually -

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Carry on...
 
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Ahem.

I am not spamming this forum as I have no intent to sell anything to anyone here.
I was wondering why there are no hosting offers here, I saw just one B/S/T trade. I tried to tell you about HostZealot.com service, because I thought you might need enterprise grade Supermicro hardware, unmetered bandwidth and reliable service, hence the signature. I have this sig on all forums I frequent.
No intention to sell, has a sig advertising hosting and promotes it in the same thread where he clearly states he doesn't sell. To top it off he shares reviews. LOL

The guy who mentioned WF said it was a "tough experience, a harsh community to get along with"
Filters out folk like you.

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Please ban this imbecile.
 
Do you actually live in Edinburgh, OP?

Nope, alas. Our technical office is registered there, yet techs themselves prefer working from places with warmer climate and most of the staff are on constant travel (one of their managers replied to you that he was going to visit UnGagged in London, as far as I recall. You showed no interest so you did not meet it seems?)

Our CEO's do visit Edinburgh frequently while on business trips to the UK.

As a part of sales\support team I was working in Ukraine, now we are in Plovdiv, Bulgaria.
 
Ahem.

No intention to sell, has a sig advertising hosting and promotes it in the same thread where he clearly states he doesn't sell. To top it off he shares reviews. LOL

Filters out folk like you.

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Please ban this imbecile.

3 important errors in your statement

1) The sig was added way before this thread was started, when I actually considered trying to promote services here.

2) Now I do not have such intentions, yet the sig remains

3) You judge the service by my posts? Do you buy the red cars? Or the cheapest ones? Or the newest models? Or do you do test drives of the models that suit your budget and needs?
 
Carry on...

Thanks for your kind explanations, I really appreciate it.

I would like to spend the same amount of effort but I will reply shorter.

1) Got caught with dickrolling joke, never heard of it. I know you can't imagine this as it is around for ages, yet I never used it. Sorry for this whole situation.

2) Hosting and domains section is nearly dead here, as I stated above. I actually posted several times there as you can see - but the section was long dead, so posting there is useless. It will remain dead no matter what amount of effort we spend to revive it - because community members here know what they need, use services from companies they trust and will not ever likely change their mind. I have not seen any valuable piece of content there, alas.

And 2 of several newest threads in that section are dedicated to the topic that Hostgator is shit and people want to leave it. Just as on pretty much any other hosting-related section forum.

Not to mention that most of newcomers here answer with oneliners, have nothing to say on topic, get red bricked and go to ban quickly. So there is really low request for hosting-related content on Wickedfire, as I said above.

3) We use a variant of your step-by-step guide for promoting our services on hosting-related forums. I am glad we do it right (including not using brand title, providing useful content, not engaging with trolls, etc.) It does bring us clients, so its efficiency is confirmed.
Glad to see you have the same thoughts.

4) As for our company going out of business the next week - this is least likely to happen. We host news agencies, P2P projects, online TV and radio, gaming servers and our customer pool increases - slowly, but steadily. We are around for 5 years, we were mostly building CIS-based customer pool, but we are increasing presence in the US and EU now.

Of course we cannot beat the popularity of US-based companies with 20 years of history and I never said we are trying to.

5) As for not meeting your requirements in terms of HW and traffic - we provide custom solutions. Unmetered traffic on 1 Gbps port + any enterprise grade Supermicro hardware, with an option to switch between Cogent, Level3, Hibernia Networks and Hurricane Electric - this service is well worth the price. And it sells like hot pies.

I do not doubt your requirements can be served by any company you mentioned. My respect for the size of operations though.

As for 50% discount for VPS - everything is explained on page. You pay for 1 month and get the second free, so you kinda have a trial. This is mostly used for short-time projects and works well so far. Maybe even for hosting these e-books for WarriorForum you mentioned. They pay, they get the service, some leave, some stay.

6) Finally, about the OP itself - I fully agree that it was done horribly. Should have done everything like you said to do any good here. On several other forums this story was presented (not by me :)) with oneliners or really brief comments and worked just fine. Sometimes it had no impact, sometimes it started a discussion. I know I should have worked my ass off to impress you guys, but this was not the original intention.

Unfortunately, only one post in this thread really looked like it should. All the rest preferred discussing me instead of discussing the topic. As you wish.

7) I never was SPAMMING this forum like Webref.eu, because all of my posts are topic-related or I respond to insult attempts/trolling (I know I should not respond to trolling, but e-fights are so tempting here, with sacks of shit flowing around in STS...). If having links to my website in my signature is spamming - half of the members here can be called spammers.

I really appreciate the amount of effort you devoted to this, CCarter. My deepest respect to you, this post really proves your worth. I was actually reading some of your replies there (like this one) and they made me smile. And some made me think deeply, and that is great. Thanks.

As for the rest of you guys - thanks for the show, it was entertaining.

p.s. Special thanks to the taggers. By placing shaming tags anonymously instead of responding from your account (and risking getting dislikes or being redbricked) you act like whores who give gonorrhoeya as a present after being fucked to all holes. Your cum references show the level of your intelligence and mindset, nothing more.

Another "NoFucksGiven" prise goes to dislikers who have nothing to say and add no value to the forum, just come here to dislike. Just like a fucktard account that was dead for 3 years and erupted with 6 dislikes to my posts in this thread yesterday. My thanks, good sir, hope it made you feel better, because it surely did not make me feel any worse.
 
I actually thought the startup thing was a good discussion, can we go back to that?
 
HostZealot said:
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keeps saying it but continues on replying with novels.. ?


On the sidenote, this is why i love wickedfire. As soon as a dipshit posts, whole thread gets derailed within 5 posts.
 
I wonder if he knows the more content he's adding to this page the better it's going to do in search results for "Host Zealot" and "Host Zealot Reviews"?

Not unlikely to beat the relevance for the other forums ranking with all this content being added.

3) You judge the service by my posts? Do you buy the red cars? Or the cheapest ones? Or the newest models? Or do you do test drives of the models that suit your budget and needs?

Who would've thought that brands are judged on their branding?

I actually thought the startup thing was a good discussion, can we go back to that?

I thought this thread was what not to do with startups. Like not understanding the demographics you're marketing to and not understanding brand positioning.
 

just ignore your bumpy start and keep going. you either get banned or fit in eventually. these guys think theyre smart but theyre really not.

kiopa matt for example scammed half the forum once and nobody gives a fuck anymore. youll get grandfathered in eventually.
 
I wonder if he knows the more content he's adding to this page the better it's going to do in search results for "Host Zealot" and "Host Zealot Reviews"?

Not unlikely to beat the relevance for the other forums ranking with all this content being added.



Who would've thought that brands are judged on their branding?



I thought this thread was what not to do with startups. Like not understanding the demographics you're marketing to and not understanding brand positioning.

Originally this thread was really about a bad experience some people had at work and maybe sharing your own experience if you wish. Just like campfire stories. I did it all wrong, FML, etc.

As for my awful work experience - after graduating I got a job as support engineer on huge aerospace production facility. Despite the sound name, it was in the same condition as the majority of Ukrainian plants - half-destroyed factory with nearly all production workers being drunkards.
My job was to remove 5-SHIFT key -pressures, make Windows work and install drivers.

I do not recall a single day in my 2 years working there, when I did not see a drunk person trying to assemble some aggregate, or working with a hammer on some gentle machinery detail. I do not joke, they literally used hammers to make things work during primary tests (because they were later paid to replace faulty details during final tests).

I recall a case when the factory was fined $3 million dollars for postponing delivery of important oil pumps, which led to failing state approvals and losing multi-million contract with Saudites. Investigation showed that the final tester sent 3 faulty pumps to the assembly, perfectly knowing they will not work.

They could not even fire him, because he was the only one who remembered the technology of assembly of several important details. (After collapse of the Soviet Union most of documents were lost, just lost, and they had to rely on people's memory to do the work). That fucker did not even want to take students in order to keep his job. It took a direct order from the Ministry of Air Industry to fire him. The factory had to hire 5 people and spend half a year to be able to fully replace that old fucker. Well, it was to their favor after all, yet the contract was lost.

The other case I can tell about is when a Chinese delegation visited the plant in order to sign a contract for producing parts for 2000 military transport planes. Chinese spent a week on the factory, inspecting everything. Workers were prohibited to drink and several found drunk were beaten to unconscious state by their managers. Workers were very frustrated and the work nearly stalled.

It was to no avail, because key managers thought the head of the delegation to be Mr. Chu - a fat guy in black glasses and with constantly unhappy face. Our CEO's bought him buzz, whores, took him to sauna with even more whores and gave him a bribe.

It came out the head of the delegation was Mrs. Ley, who was always amidst the group of other Chinese and never spoke to anyone. It came out when we received a written response from them, signed by her. The response said that: "The factory is dirty, people are angry and don't do their best and we cannot sign a treaty with a factory, where women have to pour water from a dirty bucket, because waterclosets do not work and WC rooms stink"

It came nearly unnoticed, however, because when the Chinese left, one young guy, a student, was too drunk and missed the plane. While our representatives were trying to help him to buy a ticket and catch up with his group in Kiev, he was very nervous and dropped a flash drive. When the airport security picked up the drive the Chinese guy lost conscience. Security decided to check the contents and found out that flash drive contained detailed instructions and blueprints for newest developments of the factory. That single flash drive was worth several million dollars. There was a huge scandal but they could not do anything to him - they hoped to sign a contract.

Why would Chinese and Arabs be interested in Ukrainian planes, you might ask? Because of the price, mostly, and because Ukrainian planes are built using Soviet technology and are able to fly in harsh weather conditions without nearly any special and costly treatment, therefore both purchase and maintenance cost significantly less than European or American counterparts.

Why do Ukrainian planes still fly in that case? I can't say for sure, but people who visited Russian factories said the situation there was much worse. I cannot even imagine what could be worse than that factory full of drunkards. Well, Russian planes crash much more frequently than Ukrainian and now I know why.

I became a chief of department by that time - not due to outstanding success in reinstalling Windows, mostly because usually I was the only one sober enough to represent the department on management meetings. The pay was good but it was a dead end.

I quit and began working as an outsource for one of the world biggest registrar companies (not Godaddy, obviously). That's when I met my current CEO and after gaining enough experience with domains and hosting I began working for HostZealot. No horror stories here, everything suits me.

If anybody has any horrible or great work experience to share - you are welcome.
 
I really appreciate the amount of effort you devoted to this, CCarter. My deepest respect to you, this post really proves your worth. I was actually reading some of your replies there and they made me smile. And some made me think deeply, and that is great.
Warm smiles, stolen glances, knowing chuckles ...

Your hand brushes against CC's backside and he stiffens rigidly, arching his back like a plump tom cat surprised in a seedy alley.

Uh oh!

"Dammit, I went too far this time", you think - but then CC looks over his shoulder at you and winks, letting your heart find its beat again. Could this be love?
 
Warm smiles, stolen glances, knowing chuckles ...

Your hand brushes against CC's backside and he stiffens rigidly, arching his back like a plump tom cat surprised in a seedy alley.

Uh oh!

"Dammit, I went too far this time", you think - but then CC looks over his shoulder at you and winks, letting your heart find its beat again. Could this be love?

Hrrrm, it seems you are experienced in such kind of things, Infoslob?