The Best Way To Support Obama?

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tony115 said:
This is one funny video. :D

YouTube - "Hardball" Way Too Hard for Obama Supporter Kirk Watson

Maybe he'll have notes next time on the candidate that he supports.

He can go here for notes! LMAO!

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Yep! I have asked time and time again. What has Obama accomplished and what does he stand for besides generic CHANGE? I have NEVER recieved an answer. Obama is a rock star nothing more. He is way to left and way to inexperienced to be running the greatest super power of the world.

The only platform I can find for him is "if you don't like Bush then vote for me"
 
popeye said:
YWhat has Obama accomplished and what does he stand for besides generic CHANGE? I have NEVER recieved an answer. Obama is a rock star nothing more. He is way to left and way to inexperienced to be running the greatest super power of the world.
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Perhaps you need to think before you speak. If he doesn't stand for anything, how do you know he is "way too left" ? :xomunch:
 
popeye said:
Yep! I have asked time and time again. What has Obama accomplished and what does he stand for besides generic CHANGE? I have NEVER recieved an answer. Obama is a rock star nothing more. He is way to left and way to inexperienced to be running the greatest super power of the world.

The only platform I can find for him is "if you don't like Bush then vote for me"
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Fuck, what's wrong... I'm agreeing with you again! lol (Well, apart from left bit.. and the US is the only superpower.. winning a race of one)

But yeah, Obama doesn't seem to have much substance is way too focussed on image. I can't see him being prepared to take potentially unpopular action to sort out the debt, avert global recession and deal with the root causes of terrorism.

But what a fucking choice... McCain and Obama or Clinton... about the same as here - lesser of two evils. I think you have more say in some ways as you directly pick the candidates and can influence policy that way, here we don't have as much influence before an election, but then we don't give one person anywhere near as much power. Both our systems are outdated though, not changed much since the days when the votes were delivered by horse, they should be updated to ensure one person's vote has the same value as someone else's vote elsewhere in the country.
 
SkyFire said:
Perhaps you need to think before you speak. If he doesn't stand for anything, how do you know he is "way too left" ? :xomunch:
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because the few votes in the senate that he WAS there to participate in he voted liberal. In fact he has the most liberal voting record in the senate. That is on the few votes he was there.

I am not aware of any legislation that he has authored, nor has he stated any policy except "Im for change vote for me"

EDIT: Since you seem to be a supporter please enlighten me on any legistlation that he has authored or his platform that he is running on.
 
LazyHippy said:
Fuck, what's wrong... I'm agreeing with you again! lol (Well, apart from left bit.. and the US is the only superpower.. winning a race of one)

But yeah, Obama doesn't seem to have much substance is way too focussed on image. I can't see him being prepared to take potentially unpopular action to sort out the debt, avert global recession and deal with the root causes of terrorism.

But what a fucking choice... McCain and Obama or Clinton... about the same as here - lesser of two evils. I think you have more say in some ways as you directly pick the candidates and can influence policy that way, here we don't have as much influence before an election, but then we don't give one person anywhere near as much power. Both our systems are outdated though, not changed much since the days when the votes were delivered by horse, they should be updated to ensure one person's vote has the same value as someone else's vote elsewhere in the country.
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I love British politics..them boys get nasty yelling, throwing punches. I have watched many times when Tony Blair got drilled hard. Wish our politics were more "in your face"
 
Trust me, Obama would be doing Americans a great service by doing absolutely nothing. I'd rather have a politician with no ideas rather than bad ideas. Since the politicians with good ideas don't get elected.

Futhermore, Americans need to work towards fixing their own problems. Some magical avatar of "hope and change" isn't going to make war, inflation, immigration, and healthcare problems go away just by voting for him.

The great thing about Ron Paul was his idea of giving Americans the tools and legislation to solve their own problems rather than expecting bureacrats in washington to come up with magical solutions. Ah, what a dream that was...
 
DruSam said:
Trust me, Obama would be doing Americans a great service by doing absolutely nothing. I'd rather have a politician with no ideas rather than bad ideas. Since the politicians with good ideas don't get elected.

Futhermore, Americans need to work towards fixing their own problems. Some magical avatar of "hope and change" isn't going to make war, inflation, immigration, and healthcare problems go away just by voting for him.

The great thing about Ron Paul was his idea of giving Americans the tools and legislation to solve their own problems rather than expecting bureacrats in washington to come up with magical solutions. Ah, what a dream that was...
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3 months ago I would had never voted for RP. Now with the choices we are gona have I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
 
turbolapp said:
You're all talking about him like he's dead. By all means, put your money where your mouth is and vote for the man. CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Paul vows to press on « - Blogs from CNN.com

I'm voting for Obama in the primaries. :-P
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Since your voting for him in the primaries, could you please point me to a website or something that has his platform laid out (I have looked all over the net). I would really like to know what we are possibly headed for in the next 4 years.
 
Popeye, we need to take these next 4 years and reform the Republican party.

Hillary or Obama is going to be our next president. Knowing the Clintons, if I were Obama, I would wear my seat belt everywhere.
 
turbolapp said:
You're all talking about him like he's dead. By all means, put your money where your mouth is and vote for the man. CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Paul vows to press on « - Blogs from CNN.com

I'm voting for Obama in the primaries. :-P
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I did vote for Paul. My primary was back on January 16th. I donated a long time ago, and obviously all the money Paul raised did not translate into votes. Told friends and family about Ron Paul as well.

I lost, status quo wins.


Obama, Clinton, and McCain offer no monetary solution. They offer great ideas for programs that sound awesome in principle. Yet they will result in two things:

1. higher inflation from borrowed money from the Fed Reserve or foreign banks
2. more taxes to pay for interest on that borrowed money



We better get rich doing AM. The middle class is in for a world of hurt guaranteed.
 
popeye said:
Since your voting for him in the primaries, could you please point me to a website or something that has his platform laid out (I have looked all over the net). I would really like to know what we are possibly headed for in the next 4 years.
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It's all over the net, you just don't like what you see.

Here's an example of what's important to me: foreign diplomacy. Cause frankly, I'm freakin tired of being seen as the arrogant Bully. (and Bullies always go down in the end)

Renewing American Diplomacy

  • The Problem: The United States is trapped by the Bush-Cheney approach to diplomacy that refuses to talk to leaders we don't like. Not talking doesn't make us look tough – it makes us look arrogant, it denies us opportunities to make progress, and it makes it harder for America to rally international support for our leadership. On challenges ranging from terrorism to disease, nuclear weapons to climate change, we cannot make progress unless we can draw on strong international support.
  • Talk to our Foes and Friends: Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe. He will do the careful preparation necessary, but will signal that America is ready to come to the table, and that he is willing to lead. And if America is willing to come to the table, the world will be more willing to rally behind American leadership to deal with challenges like terrorism, and Iran and North Korea's nuclear programs.
  • Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Obama will make progress on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a key diplomatic priority. He will make a sustained push – working with Israelis and Palestinians – to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.
  • Expand our Diplomatic Presence: To make diplomacy a priority, Obama will stop shuttering consulates and start opening them in the tough and hopeless corners of the world – particularly in Africa. He will expand our foreign service, and develop the capacity of our civilian aid workers to work alongside the military.
  • Fight Global Poverty: Obama will embrace the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme poverty around the world in half by 2015, and he will double our foreign assistance to $50 billion to achieve that goal. He will help the world's weakest states to build healthy and educated communities, reduce poverty, develop markets, and generate wealth.
  • Strengthen NATO: Obama will rally NATO members to contribute troops to collective security operations, urging them to invest more in reconstruction and stabilization operations, streamlining the decision-making processes, and giving NATO commanders in the field more flexibility.
  • Seek New Partnerships in Asia: Obama will forge a more effective framework in Asia that goes beyond bilateral agreements, occasional summits, and ad hoc arrangements, such as the six-party talks on North Korea. He will maintain strong ties with allies like Japan, South Korea and Australia; work to build an infrastructure with countries in East Asia that can promote stability and prosperity; and work to ensure that China plays by international rules
 
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3. more borrowed money from foreign banks to pay off the interest of the old borrowed money.

I hope Obama can some how diplomatically convince our foreign creditors to drop our debts?

...send them flowers maybe?
 
DruSam said:
I did vote for Paul. My primary was back on January 16th. I donated a long time ago, and obviously all the money Paul raised did not translate into votes. Told friends and family about Ron Paul as well.

I lost, status quo wins.


Obama, Clinton, and McCain offer no monetary solution. They offer great ideas for programs that sound awesome in principle. Yet they will result in two things:

1. higher inflation from borrowed money from the Fed Reserve or foreign banks
2. more taxes to pay for interest on that borrowed money



We better get rich doing AM. The middle class is in for a world of hurt guaranteed.
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Agreed 5 million times…
 
And what do we know of the hidden agendas associated with the big money coming in to finance his campaign? Some of those people are gonna want to at least get a reach around.
 
turbolapp said:
It's all over the net, you just don't like what you see.

Here's an example of what's important to me: foreign diplomacy. Cause frankly, I'm freakin tired of being seen as the arrogant Bully. (and Bullies always go down in the end)

Renewing American Diplomacy
  • The Problem: The United States is trapped by the Bush-Cheney approach to diplomacy that refuses to talk to leaders we don't like. Not talking doesn't make us look tough – it makes us look arrogant, it denies us opportunities to make progress, and it makes it harder for America to rally international support for our leadership. On challenges ranging from terrorism to disease, nuclear weapons to climate change, we cannot make progress unless we can draw on strong international support.
  • Talk to our Foes and Friends: Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe. He will do the careful preparation necessary, but will signal that America is ready to come to the table, and that he is willing to lead. And if America is willing to come to the table, the world will be more willing to rally behind American leadership to deal with challenges like terrorism, and Iran and North Korea's nuclear programs.
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Is it a good idea to meet nations where we have already set conditions that they must adhere to in order to talk with the United States?
Iran says no preconditions for talks with U.S.
Will we not look weak? Like not attacking terrorists after the USS Cole incident?
USS Cole bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

turbolapp said:
  • Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Obama will make progress on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a key diplomatic priority. He will make a sustained push – working with Israelis and Palestinians – to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.
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Didn't Clinton form an impromptu arrangement before he left office that was capsized by Arafat's Palestinian regime because of support to terrorists? Also what about Bush sending in diplomats after pre-conditions were met? BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | US approves Arafat-Powell meeting
turbolapp said:
  • Expand our Diplomatic Presence: To make diplomacy a priority, Obama will stop shuttering consulates and start opening them in the tough and hopeless corners of the world – particularly in Africa. He will expand our foreign service, and develop the capacity of our civilian aid workers to work alongside the military.
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Isn't Bush visiting Africa as we speak? And did he not extend aid to Africa?
Bush Has Quietly Tripled Aid to Africa - washingtonpost.com
turbolapp said:
  • Fight Global Poverty: Obama will embrace the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme poverty around the world in half by 2015, and he will double our foreign assistance to $50 billion to achieve that goal. He will help the world's weakest states to build healthy and educated communities, reduce poverty, develop markets, and generate wealth.
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See above. Also how will he extend aid without borrowing more money or raising taxes?
turbolapp said:
  • Strengthen NATO: Obama will rally NATO members to contribute troops to collective security operations, urging them to invest more in reconstruction and stabilization operations, streamlining the decision-making processes, and giving NATO commanders in the field more flexibility.
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Do you recall the last incident when Clinton allied with NATO?
Ex-Security Chief Blows Whistle on UN's Kosovo Mission -- 09/27/2005
The Court Martial of Michael New
turbolapp said:
  • Seek New Partnerships in Asia: Obama will forge a more effective framework in Asia that goes beyond bilateral agreements, occasional summits, and ad hoc arrangements, such as the six-party talks on North Korea. He will maintain strong ties with allies like Japan, South Korea and Australia; work to build an infrastructure with countries in East Asia that can promote stability and prosperity; and work to ensure that China plays by international rules
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Did we not just impose tariffs because of our trade deficit?
U.S. slaps new duties on cheap*Chinese goods* - Mar. 30, 2007
Will he seek to end these tariffs?

Obama is a politician like McCain and Clinton. They offer ideas that get cheers yet in reality to push forward those ideas money is needed. The question I continually ask is where will the money come form for their ideas. Will it be more government taxes or less government spending? And if it is less government spending, will it target our military like former President Clinton?

Too many questions and not enough answers.:)
 
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