The Case Against Female Self-Esteem

[Michael_]

Figured you guys might have fun with this:

The Case Against Female Self-Esteem

Girls don’t want the six-figure cubicle job, the shiny Brooklyn 2BR, the master’s degree, the sexual liberation, none of it. They want to be collectively led back to the kitchen, told to make a nice big tuna sandwich with extra mayo and lettuce, then swatted on the ass as we walk out the door.

 

[sumitdhawan]

Hello friends,

If think if women is good wife or daughter and take good care of children or brothers, cook, and clean then should feel good about self. If no then should no feel good.

Good luck bros

 

[Michael_]

The comments are pretty lol worthy.

George September 26, 2013 at 6:12 pm My pants feel all squishy. Maybe I should learn how to use the toilet instead of shitting my pants every time I see something that upsets me.
[CensorBot sez: Way to burn yourself, brah.]

 

[CCarter]

 

[User9364]

Reads like one giant troll to me.

I personally like smart girls. Excessive self esteem can be a problem for women or men.

Girls with low self esteem put up with abusive treatment. As someone who has a little girl, I don't want her putting up with abusive treatment. The more she were to allow something like that, the more it becomes my problem to deal with.

Here's the deal with stronger girls. (smart, hot, confident, whatever...) They DO need and want a stronger man in most cases. That's just bad news for weak chumpy guys. Don't be a weak chumpy guy, and you won't need to worry about it either way.

 

[Michael_]

Here's the deal with stronger girls. (smart, hot, confident, whatever...) They DO need and want a stronger man in most cases. That's just bad news for weak chumpy guys. Don't be a weak chumpy guy, and you won't need to worry about it either way.

I've been in long-term relationships with girls from all ends of the spectrum and I can certainly see the author's point. The "strong woman who don't need no man" types are a total and utter pain in the ass to deal with it.

Their expectations for domination and being controlled can be, and usually are, so far skewed from reality that it makes it impossible to meet (additionally, when you do meet them, they get pissed off at you and themselves for letting themselves be vulnerable), and it condemns them to a life of forever being unsatisfied in a relationship.

Maybe I'm a weak, chumpy beta, but I'll never get myself involved with a girl like that again. I'll take the socially akward, cute nerdy programmer who cosplays on the weekends over the super-model, ambitious, corporate woman every day of the week.

 

[LegitAM]

Being a girl, this is complete bs


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[User9364]

I've been in long-term relationships with girls from all ends of the spectrum and I can certainly see the author's point. The "strong woman who don't need no man" types are a total and utter pain in the ass to deal with it.

Yeah, I hear ya, and I don't want none of that, either. I should have mentioned that both smart and dumb girls can be too full of themselves.

I don't think the author makes zero points, but it seems written to enrage "feminists" and white knights alike.

My current gf is smart, looks good, has a decent career. (She's skinnier than guys here seem to like, but I like.) She would probably call herself a strong woman, but she loves cooking for me (is good at it), and will come over and do my dishes topless. Of course, she expects me to take care of security, etc. She likes it when I wrap my arm around her like I own her.

I like cute nerdy girls too, but I don't think that has to translate to low self esteem. A lot of those girls are well grounded. Girls who really have low self esteem will beat you to death by constantly seeking validation. They can never get enough to fill what they lack. Their standards may be lower, but it's a different kind of hell.

 

[JakeStratham]

People with low self-esteem fall into 2 camps: They either provide zero - or negligible - value to others or they have not identified the manner in which they provide value to others.*

Consider: voluntary relationships are based on an exchange of value, from conversations to acts of charity.

Consider too that most people...

- kick ass at a few things
- are very good at several other things
- are competent in countless other things
- and suck at most of life.

A girl who suffers from low self-esteem is either competent in very few things that others find valuable or is ignorant about her areas of competence and/or expertise.

For example, most women I have had the "opportunity" to spend time with devoted a significant part of their consciousness to celebrity, gossip, consumption, and emotion. I found no value in any of those things. And I was gone quickly.

But some were able to cook; some had the ability to care for others; some had marketable skills they sold to employers; and some were good at sex. Those things were not particularly valuable to me, but would be to others. None of these girls had a low self-esteem. They had a good grasp of their respective areas of competence and expertise.



* I lie. There is a third camp. It is made up of individuals who believe the value they provide others is somehow worthy of disdain - e.g. those who trade sex, drugs, etc. Since their beliefs are based largely on culture, upbringing, state propaganda, emotionalism, and religion, I am ignoring this camp. I find dealing with irrational people to be unpleasant.

 

[Pheasant]

As a woman, I'm having mixed feeling about this..

 

[shindig]

lol my gf of 8 years is smarter than me and better at just about everything other than cooking. She makes just under 6 figures, doesn't like shopping, has 2 fantasy football teams, isn't girly, etc it's wonderful.

 

[Second]

My lady is a neuroscientist but claims she finds me brilliant. (Thanks?) She has zero wish to be domesticated but does all the cooking etc cause it makes me happy (or we split it).

She has self esteem coming out the butthole.

Some of you wf bros have seen her and yes she is a dime. Not to mention she's friends with a great deal of the miss universe circuit.

Solid perks.

I'm also 90% sure she lurks this forum out of curiosity about what I do.

 

[BabyGotBacklink]

For example, most women I have had the "opportunity" to spend time with devoted a significant part of their consciousness to celebrity, gossip, consumption, and emotion. I found no value in any of those things. And I was gone quickly.

Jake if you took a cross section of women you'd find plenty of women that didn't fit this bill. This is just one shade on the spectrum and the fact that most of the women you are spending time with fall into this category tells me there is another variable that perhaps isn't being accounted for. Are they very young? Are they models? Are they dumb girls? If you are seeking out a certain group based on something like that then yes that sub group will be more homogeneous. But the same can be said for men, what if I were to say "Most men only talk about sports, sex and their careers" ? I could be right if I were talking about young, good looking men fresh out of college couldn't I? But even there is the brilliant young doctor, the talented artist, the poet.

Exceptional men deserve exceptional women, they are out there. I feel you giving up, it is worth finding. You find that person you want to talk to for hours because they are fascinating to you. When something happens you are immediately curious as to how they will react, what they will think, because you admire their amazing brain. Sitting on my back porch, sipping tea, so close we are touching, looking up at the stars and talking about great books, science and the world. That's love, the good kind. Cheers to you my friend.

 

[CCarter]

Exceptional men deserve exceptional women, they are out there. I feel you giving up, it is worth finding. You find that person you want to talk to for hours because they are fascinating to you. When something happens you are immediately curious as to how they will react, what they will think, because you admire their amazing brain. Sitting on my back porch, sipping tea, so close we are touching, looking up at the stars and talking about great books, science and the world. That's love, the good kind.

 

[vikingred]

I'm going to leave this one alone.

 

[infoslob]

I'm banging a freshly divorced woman w/ 2 kids.






HELP!!!!

 

[bodiddley]

Forney is being sensationalistic for traffic (novel idea, eh?). What he really means is that there's on the whole excessive female self-esteem and a good deal of female narcissism in modern western society (more so than in males), which is kind of obvious to anyone with a brain.

But hey, he got a thread on WF, right?

 

[youknowwho]

Oh wickedfire what hath thou become

 

[igl00]

didnt read but i asusme everythign depends if the women is fat and ugly.

 

[jacky8]

I'm banging a freshly divorced woman w/ 2 kids.






HELP!!!!

Truly or not?

If so, did you pretend to be nice to her kids for a while before the sex sessions started? I think we can use a separate thread or perhaps an AMA about your story