They hurt my dog bros



Hartz is a mass producer of low quality products, basically only relying on their brand thats been around since the 1800's (or it seems).

I have had my dog on Frontline previously, still got fleas with it at the dog park. Changed the little guy to Comfortis (Comfortis® (spinosad) Flea Protection Chewable Tablet — Comfortis4Dogs.com), and that has been rock solid. Its a small pill rather than liquid you squeeze onto their should blades. Basically when you give your dog a bath it doesn't wash off, either. It's more expensive but well worth it.

Comfortis is cool, but certain dogs are prone to seizures on it, so it might not be the best solution for everyone.

Frontline and regular old school advantage are the safest.

I wouldn't put any of that shit on my dogs.

Had flea's once just gave them all flea baths and bombed the house

Frontline is way safer than the over the counter shit you bathe your dog in, I guarantee you. Especially if your dog react to Hartz products, I'd stay the fuck away from that shit.

Hartz anything is BAD FUCKING NEWS, and I'm amazed if your vet actually recommended that shit. They are a big no no for most vets.
 
OK Bros pt. II

I appreciate everyone's comments/suggestions. A lot of wisdom,facts,respect,knowledge in here. Before it starts smelling like vaginas on the board, i will stop the compliments there.

Something was brought to my attention on the "Harts eat shit" site that was linked earlier in this thread.

HartzVictims.org - Hartz Vectra 3D

comment #3 Rich. This guy appears to know his shit more than some of the loons on that board. Present items as facts and let me research.

"Permethrins are also potentially dangerous to humans, particularly infants, toddlers and pregnant women."

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2. capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety.




My wife is 5 months pregnant. I don't feel like playing an odds game with the pregnancy .

The vet recommended that shit. That's another reason I am pissed.

Please bros/homies/dudes or sumitD, let me know if I am being irrational right now.

But what do I have to live for besides my wife, son and dog? Plenty. But that is a BIG CHUNK OF IT.


I am actually more pissed at the vet for recommending that poison than the company that provided it.

Unless the company did not communicate that with the vet.

Regardless, the vet is still on my shit list until proven innocent. Normally, I practice innocent until proven guilty, but not with a pregnant wife who is carrying my first-born son. Again, let me know if I am being irrational.


The best source I can find on Permethrins is on drugs.com
Permethrins pregnant women - Google Search

From the site
"Pregnancy

Teratogenic Effects Pregnancy category B: Reproduction studies have been performed in mice, rats, and rabbits (200 to 400 mg/kg/day orally) and have revealed no evidence of impaired fertility or harm to the fetus due to Permethrin. There are, however, no adequate and well-controlled studies in pregnant women. Because animal reproduction studies are not always predictive of human response, this drug should be used during pregnancy only if clearly needed."






What?

So because there are no adequate and well-controlled studies in pregnant women I should feel relieved? better?



I feel worse.



I make a living testing what ultimately hurts business or helps.


Without tests I would crash all the time and never make it.


I just don't know what to think. Lack of sleep may be taking its toll on me too.


Can some of you make some common sense out of all this? Even if it means bitching me out? *ducks for cover*
 
just squirt some of that shit into your pregnant wifes food and get a ninja turtle/Chernobyl baby.

If you want a good old fist fight I can meet. No Knives,guns,hacking each-others shit etc. Just put up some dukes.


But seriously. You are behind a computer screen, so why would we want to do that? We might electrocute ourselves punching the screen.

jk bro
 
PS

Here is my way of giving back to the commuity I owe you guys for other things in the past, nothing to do with this thread. The GOLD in the WF search has made a big impact on my business. Thanks again

Thought Id give you guys a link to the $50 employee contest. I'm an entrepreneur who hires, and love people in the same game.

Instead of making a whole new thread in shooting the shit, I figured I would let you guys know here.

http://www.wickedfire.com/sell-buy-trade/124037-i-will-buy-you-employee-contest.html
 
Hartz is so easy to get since it's sold everywhere. I'm surprised your vet recommended their products over the pricier stuff that actually works...and is sold at most vet clinics.

I got sucked into the cheapness of Hartz's products a few years back: It didn't work and my cat nearly died from the seizures it caused.

How's your dog doing?
 
I think you need to sleep... considering you just defined the word "potential" above as if it was some significant medical term.

The amount of Permethrin is high but considering it's only applied in a small area on the dog... the likelihood of your dog climbing onto your wife and then turning on its back on an area of bare skin is very slim. If you're this paranoid about this stuff then you should start looking into things that are likely a bigger threat to your wife's pregnancy. Diet (do you eat chemical sprayed produce or organic? processed foods? caffeine, more than 1 cup a day = bad.) Does she exercise? Does she maintain low stress levels? etc etc...

Even if she did happen to come in direct contact with the dog's flea stuff, the symptoms are basically identical to what pregnant women frequent so she wouldn't even know she's having a reaction to Permethrin, aside from the seizures =P lol

"Excessive exposure to permethrin can cause nausea, headache, muscle weakness, excessive salivation, shortness of breath, and seizures."
 
I hear ya bauss, and thats why I asked you guys to punch me in the face(I can take it), if necessary. thanks for your response
 
Something was brought to my attention on the "Harts eat shit" site that was linked earlier in this thread.

HartzVictims.org - Hartz Vectra 3D

comment #3 Rich. This guy appears to know his shit more than some of the loons on that board. Present items as facts and let me research.

"Permethrins are also potentially dangerous to humans, particularly infants, toddlers and pregnant women."

po·ten·tial

   [puh-ten-shuh
thinsp.png
l] Show IPA
–adjective 1. possible, as opposed to actual

2. capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety.




My wife is 5 months pregnant. I don't feel like playing an odds game with the pregnancy .

The vet recommended that shit. That's another reason I am pissed.

Please bros/homies/dudes or sumitD, let me know if I am being irrational right now.

But what do I have to live for besides my wife, son and dog? Plenty. But that is a BIG CHUNK OF IT.


I am actually more pissed at the vet for recommending that poison than the company that provided it.

Unless the company did not communicate that with the vet.

Regardless, the vet is still on my shit list until proven innocent. Normally, I practice innocent until proven guilty, but not with a pregnant wife who is carrying my first-born son. Again, let me know if I am being irrational.


The best source I can find on Permethrins is on drugs.com
Permethrins pregnant women - Google Search

From the site
"Pregnancy

Teratogenic Effects Pregnancy category B: Reproduction studies have been performed in mice, rats, and rabbits (200 to 400 mg/kg/day orally) and have revealed no evidence of impaired fertility or harm to the fetus due to Permethrin. There are, however, no adequate and well-controlled studies in pregnant women. Because animal reproduction studies are not always predictive of human response, this drug should be used during pregnancy only if clearly needed."

If a cat is exposed to "Permethrins or pyrethrins you wash them immediately in Dawn dish soap, and it can save their life. As long as your wife didn't handle the stuff and a washed her hands after petting your little guy she should be cool, but if you think she was exposed, it's never a bad idea to check with her doctor.

Stick with frontline from now on though, Fipronil is the main ingredient and it's been used for ages ON human veggies to help keep away pests. Much safer for you and your dog.
 
I've had two dogs killed by vets in the past, but there's no suing them here. This is Thailand. One got a vaccine for a flea treatment, which weakened him to the point of death about a week later.

So we ended up getting two baby labs, brother and sister. Awesome dogs! Neighbor gave them bones to eat one day, which I guess must have cut-up their stomachs. One got sick before the other, so took him to the vet I like, got him some meds, and a few days later he was fine.

Then the second one got sick the same way, so we gave her the leftover medicine. It was working, but not as quickly as her brother. My neighbor was taking her dogs to a vet one day, and suggested we hop in, so we did. The vet pumped the dog full of some IV, and she had about a 2.5 inch bulge in her back from it, while it soaked into her body. About 8 hours later, she was dead. :(

Geez, thanks for bringing back the memories. :P I still miss that cute, pudgy little girl always at the bottom of the stairs in the morning, smiling like mad, and wagging her butt, waiting for her morning pet and feed. She was blind as a bat too, which made her even more cute in my mind.
 
Sorry to hear about your dog, I would be pissed as well... At least it is still alive and not perm injured... got to looks at the positives..

I give my dog some toxic shit in pill form that works for a month at time, I love the lil bitch but can't do the fleas, it does not seem to have any neg effects.