This is scary

:yawns:

Tell it to a Muslim.

Once again you're making it personal. I would tell it to a Muslim, but my conversation is with YOU.

If a Muslim asked me what I thought was more violent, Christianity or Islam, I would answer 'Islam'. But not because I think the person I'm talking to is evil and I'm denouncing their entire religion. I'm also not accusing that Muslim of being in any way violent or wrong in their beliefs. I would bring up the facts and scripture that MANY Muslims use when teaching things that leads to violence and killing. It's not a personal attack against anybody, it's just answering the question.

I'm paranoid of all religions, every single one of them has inherent weaknesses.

And as you've admitted yourself, atheism has inherent weaknesses of it's own. By the way you can't quote that and say "Yes but religion is far more evil and preaches of death and killing more than atheism." Because that would go against YOUR own logic that stated small percentage differences do not matter when looking at entire scope of things.

As according to your logic that I will quote directly :

The majority of Muslims are PEACEFUL, the majority of Christians are PEACEFUL, the majority of atheists are PEACEFUL.


According to your logic, it should be justifiable to be a theist. If you're admitting that the majority of atheists AND theists are peaceful, then there should be nothing wrong with religion. If there is something wrong with religion, there must be something equally wrong with atheism. Which would void all of your arguments against religion. This is your logic by the way, not mine (and it's incorrect but since you think it's correct, we'll use it).

Or perhaps you'd like to look at the modern implications of atheism and Christian terror and compare numbers? Ah but to you the numbers don't matter, only the generalizations.
 


blah blah blah moral equivocation...strawman argument...usual atheist drivel...christians are terrorists TOO....blah blah blah...leave Muslims alone!

Welcome back! :)

Remember.... you're the one that thought Muslims are all evil...

You don't have to leave Muslims alone you live in America right? Freedom baby...use that freedom to hate all day long, go for it. :usa:
 
According to your logic, it should be justifiable to be a theist. If you're admitting that the majority of atheists AND theists are peaceful, then there should be nothing wrong with religion. If there is something wrong with religion, there must be something equally wrong with atheism. Which would void all of your arguments against religion. This is your logic by the way, not mine (and it's incorrect but since you think it's correct, we'll use it).

Or perhaps you'd like to look at the modern implications of atheism and Christian terror and compare numbers? Ah but to you the numbers don't matter, only the generalizations.

There is nothing wrong with religion as long as it doesn't turn into violence. It is fine to be a theist, I don't care. As long as they don't harm me in anyway.

The only thing that I think is wrong with religion is...I think it isn't true. I choose to be an atheist.

Also, religion doesn't preach more violence etc. than atheism like you thought I was going to say. Atheism preaches nothing.
 
It is fine to be a theist, I don't care. As long as they don't harm me in anyway.

The only thing that I think is wrong with religion is...I think it isn't true. I choose to be an atheist.

Really? Because YOUR OWN WORDS don't seem to agree with that statement right there :

UnripeArbiter said:
(Personally, I have taken it a little further and would just like to bash religion for it's silliness, but that's me.)

UnripeArbiter said:
Why bash religion? Wars, the crusades, the inquisitions, 9-11, ethnic cleansing, the suppression of women, the suppression of homosexuals, fatwas, honor killings, suicide bombings, arranged marriages to minors, human sacrifice, burning witches, and systematic sex with children, I have a few little quibbles.


UnripeArbiter said:
I believe they are ALL wrong so I take the default position of atheism, and personally choose to bash religion for all it's committed atrocities.


UnripeArbiter said:
So theism, in reality, has no moral truth either.


UnripeArbiter said:
The frequency of the events is irrelevant. The point is religion is no good.

You seem to be pretty convinced that violence is also the reason you think religion is wrong. But not now - according to you the majority is peaceful. It is also very clear that you do in fact care, you created a thread and admitted the reason you created it was so that you could bash theists.

If 99% of all theists didn't condemn violence and followed the main preachings (those of loving each other, giving as much as possible, and always showing kindness), then what would you have against religion? You would disagree with being kind all the time?

You can't just hop on the other side of the fence and all of the sudden start claiming that religion is okay because the "majority" is peaceful. This hasn't been about the majority, it's been about facts about the extremists (a minority, but in some cases very prevalent...hence more dangerous).



Also let's take a look at how you seemed to beat yourself in an argument, on the exact same statement.

UnripeArbiter said:
Radical Christianity and radical Islam are equally dangerous. It's a perfect calibration of my fairness meter. The number of radical Islams in the world is greater than the number of radical Christians so more terrorism is done in the name of Islam than Christians, yes.

If there is much more terrorism done in the name of Islam like you yourself say, then it would logically be more dangerous.

If you had 2 pills, one of them had a 99% chance of survival after taking it, the other pill has a 99.9% chance of survival. Which pill would you consider to be more dangerous? Not which pill you would take - we all know you wouldn't take either pill. Which would be more dangerous for you to take?

Are they both slightly dangerous? Yes. Are they both equally dangerous? No. If you had to pick which pill was more dangerous, the first pill that had a 99% chance of survival would win. That would be simple logic.

Only because you seem to like analogies.
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxsCxtzJEdM]YouTube - Rosie O'Donnel spoof mocumentary "Radical Christianity" featuring Allen Haff on Bill O'Reilly[/ame]
 
If you had 2 pills, one of them had a 99% chance of survival after taking it, the other pill has a 99.9% chance of survival. Which pill would you consider to be more dangerous? Not which pill you would take - we all know you wouldn't take either pill. Which would be more dangerous for you to take?

Are they both slightly dangerous? Yes. Are they both equally dangerous? No. If you had to pick which pill was more dangerous, the first pill that had a 99% chance of survival would win. That would be simple logic.

Only because you seem to like analogies.

I choose to take no pill.

The 99.0% chance of survival pill is more dangerous, you're correct.

In all reality it really wouldn't matter which pill I took I'd probably survive.

Both pills are dangerous though, however. I see both pills as being dangerous because of the 1%. You see one being worse than the other because you're determining the size of the 1%. Who cares about the 1% though.

Both of them are 99% just as dangerous/peaceful.

I still agree with all those things you quoted me saying.
 
Who cares about the 1% though.

1% of Christians = 21,000,000
1% of Muslims = 14,000,000
1% of Atheists = 1,495,000

I don't know about you but if I were a believer in your logic, it would be pretty ignorant to say you don't care about 36,495,000 violent extremists.
 

There is no equivalent to the al-qaeda in Christianity at this current time in history, you're correct.

Christian terrorists pop up in other ways. They both want to kill people or they're violent....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyfDnw0v05Q"]YouTube - Paul Hill's Death Row Interview Part 3 of 3[/ame]

From wiki: "From the viewpoint of the terrorist, Christian scripture and theology provide justification for violent political activities."

Concerned Christians (cult group)

Army of God (anti-abortion group)

Aryan Nations (arm of the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian)

Christian Patriots (developed out of a militant far right organization called Posse Comitatus <--some Posse members embrace beliefs stemming from Christian Identity)

Lambs of Christ

National Liberation Front of Tripura (militant Christian group)

Sons of Freedom (The Sons of Freedom, blown up power pylons, railroad bridges, and set fire to homes, often targeting their own property.) <--- found out about them on this page............ Christian Terror (they're Christian anarchists)

Christian terror exists, it's less than 1% of Christians.
Islamic terror exists, it's less than 1% of Muslims.

You look over all the Christian terror though.
 
1% of Christians = 21,000,000
1% of Muslims = 14,000,000
1% of Atheists = 1,495,000

I don't know about you but if I were a believer in your logic, it would be pretty ignorant to say you don't care about 36,495,000 violent extremists.

I care about them, I retract that statement.

You are pointing to 14,000,000 (actually 15.7 million) Muslims and saying that the other 1,556,000,000 (1.55 BILLION) of them are violent too.
 
Using your numbers.

There would be 2,100,000,000 billion Christians...
There would be 1,400,000,000 billion Muslims...
There would be 149,000,000 million atheists...

For a grand total of 3,649,500,000 billion people.

If we say that 1% of these people are extremists then we get 36,495,000 million extremists like you already have calculated.

You want to point to the other 3,613,005,000 BILLION people and call them violent too because they are in groups that have extremists.

We all reside in a group that has extremists it isn't fair to point to an atheist, Christian, or Muslim and call them violent because of the 1% of their group that is extremist.

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Encountering Prejudice What Would You Do?
(MUSLIM DISCRIMINATION)
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cxjQ3Jt1G4"]YouTube- Encountering Prejudice - What would you do?[/ame]
 

One final thing... Listen closely at about :45 the guy from the video says, "You're a terrorist is what you are".

Prejudice.

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Jesus she's a dead ringer for the real rosie.

Found the real one in the related vids, she actually said what she said in the spoof.

YouTube - Radical Christianity is Just as Threatenin as Radical Islam

What a retard.

Are you taking the side of the prejudiced?
 
Jesus she's a dead ringer for the real rosie.

Found the real one in the related vids, she actually said what she said in the spoof.

YouTube - Radical Christianity is Just as Threatenin as Radical Islam

What a retard.

Billion posts in a row........ sorry.

Listen to that little video you posted, LISTEN TO THE APPLAUSE when Rosie makes that statement.

I got a few mother 'effers on MY side.

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Edit: Also, look at the comments that video has.... even more guys on my side. Look at how many times those video have been plussed.... even more on my side.

Sorry guys, you lose.

Thanks for the video. :) What a retard.
 
S3PER: LISTEN TO IT!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWCq2sWxqkQ"]YouTube - Addressed[/ame]


"I think they are starting to see that people like you are the reason that there are people like me."
 
You want to point to the other 3,613,005,000 BILLION people and call them violent too because they are in groups that have extremists.

Do I? May I ask you WHERE I said that?

You "retract" your statement, meaning you ADMIT TO LOSING THE ARGUMENT, and then you try and dilute that fact by once again twisting my words.

You keep turning this personal and attacking my "prejudice". I proved to you that small percentages mean A LOT of people. You "retracted your statement" that 1% didn't matter. That means you admit there is a large difference in the number of violent Muslims. Using simple logic, that would make Islam more dangerous. You just admitted to that. You prejudiced bastard. All your quotes above bashing religion for it's "committed atrocities" isn't prejudiced against religion either? You don't like it because of a small generalization that YOU are attacking me for bringing up? You're the most prejudiced one here, according to your own logic.

I think the private message someone sent me sums it up (I'll leave their name out for obvious reasons, it was a private message).

PrivateMessage said:
Hey Paul,

Nice work on dealing with UnripeArbiter.

You're obviously running circles around him. I'll bet I'm not the only one who has noticed.

You're not even worth arguing with anymore, and you're not worth anybody's time here. Everyone (not just myself) is running circles around you, you have no defense but to turn everything into a personal attack. You have been one of the most terrible persons I've ever argued with.
 
For a grand total of 3,649,500,000 billion people.

That according to YOU are worthy of searching for atheist music for, bashing, and hating on religion because of it's violence. I thought the majority of theists were peaceful? Why do you have to bash them for their violence then? My my you are prejudiced. That's actually the biggest win in this thread and the biggest display of hypocrisy I've seen yet, nice work!

What a tool haha. You should have no rebuttal anymore after the fool you've made out of yourself here.
 
I say...

You want to point to the other 3,613,005,000 BILLION people and call them violent too because they are in groups that have extremists.

you say...

Do I? May I ask you WHERE I said that?

You imply that this is your position; that Islam is more dangerous than Christianity.

You somehow get this implication, that Islam is more dangerous than Christianity, because there are more Islamic terrorists that exist in the world than there are Christian terrorists.

You think that the Islamic faith is more dangerous than the Christian faith.

We have already agreed that 99% of both religions are peacful. So let's take out the population as a factor...

Let's say that 100 Muslims exist in the entire world.
Let's also just say that 100 Christians exist in the entire world.

That just happens to be the population of both religionss, let us hypothesize.

We agree that 99% are peacful so in each one of these populations we have 1 extremist.

Now... we have 1 Islamic extremist vs. one Christian extremist. Which one is more dangerous?

They both want to kill people... that is how extreme they have taken it.

Would you.... being a Christian... want to point to the entire 100 large Muslim population and say that they are more violent? 99% of them are peaceful, they have 1 bad apple... 1%.
Would an Islamic person want to point at the Christians and say they are more violent because of their bad apple?

No.... it would make sense for all 198 of you to point at the other 2 assholes and call them out.

So back to your original position... which I've admitted to numerous times (cites those here) Yes, the Islamic faith has more terrorists in the world...that fall within that 1% that are extremists. (Which we can equate to one bad apple.)

The Christians have terrorists too within that 1%. (Which we can equate to one bad apple.) But we can basically cancel these out like we did up there ^^^.

One bad apple cancels out one bad apple.

Both religions need to quit pointing at each other and saying that one or the other is more violent.

Remember...

Would you.... being a Christian... want to point to the entire 100 large Muslim population and say that they are more violent? 99% of them are peaceful, they have 1 bad apple... 1%.
Would an Islamic person want to point at the Christians and say they are more violent because of their bad apple?

Trust me, in Iraq they think Christians are violent as hell with all our high tech shit we blow innocents up with over there. (I'd give it a 50/50 that the person that drops those bombs are Christians dropping bombs on Muslims)

This is how they see it.

They would be wise to not point at Christians as violent just as you would be wise to not point at Islam as violent.

All 198 of of us (3,613,005,000 BILLION of us.) would be wise to quit pointing the finger...

We need to point the finger at the 2 nutjobs (36,495,000 million) that exist in the world.

Quit pointing fingers at religions (atheism) as a whole... Point at the extremists and realize that the rest of us... 99% of us... 3,613,005,000 BILLION of us are PEACEFUL people. It makes no sense to point fingers...

Islam is not more dangerous than Christianity.

Both have their bad apples.