This is scary

[SUP3RNOVA]

I say...
We have already agreed that 99% of both religions are peacful. So let's take out the population as a factor...

The rest of your statement does not even matter after that point.

We have told you many times that frequency (population) DOES matter. That is SIMPLE logic.

You keep saying both are 99% peaceful...THAT IS WRONG. They are not both 99.0% peaceful. There is a difference, and as you admitted, the difference is big and does matter. You can't just "equate" both of them to 1 bad apple. It is a matter of millions of bad apples to much less.

Your posts are so long and desperate in retaliation that you keep proving your own self wrong by your own logic. This is getting sad.

 

[emp]

Hmmm..

I think this is a matter of perspective.

I dare say that the US (and allied forces') soldiers are not much more than "Christian terrorists" in the eyes of many muslims.

And as for religions being "harmless" - I disagree. Completely.

Anyone who talks and tries to listen to invisible magic beings using centuries old books as guidance is kinda unfit to regulate anything. But this is the state of the world right now.

::emp::

 

[UnripeArbiter]

The rest of your statement does not even matter after that point.

We have told you many times that frequency (population) DOES matter. That is SIMPLE logic.

You keep saying both are 99% peaceful...THAT IS WRONG. They are not both 99.0% peaceful. There is a difference, and as you admitted, the difference is big and does matter. You can't just "equate" both of them to 1 bad apple. It is a matter of millions of bad apples to much less.

Your posts are so long and desperate in retaliation that you keep proving your own self wrong by your own logic. This is getting sad.

Your ignorance is pleasurable. I thrive off of it. :smilie_weihn_winki:

You don't get my overall message...

Imagine walking down the street of the United States of America and you come across a Muslim man... (millions exist in the U.S.A..... it could happen today) (or you could imagine walking down the streets of the Middle East...99% of them are peaceful the majority of them live over there and the 99% number already accounts for this.)

Are you going to assume that this man is violent?

Sure, millions more Islamic terrorists exist in the world than do Christian ones. Who cares?

It shouldn't factor in your judgment of this Muslim man. You know that 99% of Muslims are peaceful. You know with 99% certainty that this Muslim man that you encounter is peaceful.

You can't just assume that because he is a Muslim that he is violent.

Because Islam on a whole, as evidenced by 99% of its population is peaceful....

Just as you couldn't assume that a Christian man you encounter walking down the street is violent... 99% of them are peaceful... Why would you assume that this Christian person is violent because of what the other 1% of his kind are up to?

It doesn't make sense.

 

[popeye]

Hmmm..

I think this is a matter of perspective.

I dare say that the US (and allied forces') soldiers are not much more than "Christian terrorists" in the eyes of many muslims.

And as for religions being "harmless" - I disagree. Completely.

Anyone who talks and tries to listen to invisible magic beings using centuries old books as guidance is kinda unfit to regulate anything. But this is the state of the world right now.

::emp::

Your statement really doesn't make sense. Religeous people have ran things for thousands of years...some bad...some good. I would rather not be governed by the minority "wana be athiest". Stallin was a athiest...that turned out real good....no?

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Your statement really doesn't make sense. Religeous people have ran things for thousands of years...some bad...some good. I would rather not be governed by the minority "wana be athiest". Stallin was a athiest...that turned out real good....no?

I don't know who you are calling a wannabe atheist, but I totally agree with emp, 100%.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

It doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense to you because you're not understanding :

I NEVER SAID I PASS JUDGMENT PERSONALLY UPON A PERSON FOR THEIR RELIGION. I NEVER SAID I ASSUME EVERY MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST. I NEVER SAID THAT THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ARE VIOLENT.

You can't just assume that because he is a Muslim that he is violent.

WHERE DO I SAY : "I assume that if I see a Muslim walking down the street, he's violent." I am NOT implying that. You are simply trying to stuff words into my mouth.
I am not talking about those things at all. You either :

a) Literally don't understand this.

b) Known you've been proven wrong on the actual arguments you've brought up, and are doing this to try and cover it up.

When it comes to terror, violence, and killing, 0.1% DOES matter when you're trying to determine which religion is more violent. I don't think you understand the point of this argument was to determine which religion is more violent; not if religions are violent in general. We all know that both have been. Once again by simple logic, this DOES NOT mean they are equally dangerous.

 

[Versus]

Evidently, religion is just an excuse for crazy people to be crazy.

 

[emp]

Your statement really doesn't make sense. Religeous people have ran things for thousands of years...some bad...some good. I would rather not be governed by the minority "wana be athiest". Stallin was a athiest...that turned out real good....no?

So...?

I might also point out the fact that Stalin was not ultimately motivated by Atheism (as there is nothing in a disbelief that can motivate you towards something) but by his version of a communist ruled empire.
(And yes, that did include getting rid of religion)

Hitler was doing "the Lord's work" (read "mein Kampf" if you still believe the bull about him being Atheist)

I can sure see that religious people have done good AND bad things, as have atheists.

I would still welcome a rule of humanism instead of religion.

::emp::

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

I dare say that the US (and allied forces') soldiers are not much more than "Christian terrorists" in the eyes of many muslims.

Yes, because the US and allied forces are killing thousands of innocent people in the name of Christianity.

We're killing those who ARE killing innocent people.

Nice logic.

 

[xentech]

I don't know why you're still bothering to argue with him, SUP3RNOVA, he's either trolling your ass or he's just an immovable idiot. Either way you're wasting your time.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

I don't know why you're still bothering to argue with him, SUP3RNOVA, he's either trolling your ass or he's just an immovable idiot. Either way you're wasting your time.

Hm, you're probably right. I didn't even think that he could just be trolling.

 

[emp]

Yes, because the US and allied forces are killing thousands of innocent people in the name of Christianity.

We're killing those who ARE killing innocent people.

Nice logic.

No. A lot of innocent lives have been taken in this war. People have been totured, families killed and 14 year old girls have been raped.

But what actually gets me is NOT the atrocities of war (they happen in every war) but that this war has been started by religion.

but yeah, dicussion over... I know I will never win the hearts of religious people.

If you wonder where that other part went... I don't count on the mind of the religious populace.

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[UnripeArbiter]

I NEVER SAID I PASS JUDGMENT PERSONALLY UPON A PERSON FOR THEIR RELIGION. I NEVER SAID I ASSUME EVERY MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST. I NEVER SAID THAT THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ARE VIOLENT.

If you don't think any of these things then we agree here.

[/U]WHERE DO I SAY : "I assume that if I see a Muslim walking down the street, he's violent." I am NOT implying that. You are simply trying to stuff words into my mouth.
I am not talking about those things at all. You either :

a) Literally don't understand this.

b) Known you've been proven wrong on the actual arguments you've brought up, and are doing this to try and cover it up.

When it comes to terror, violence, and killing, 0.1% DOES matter when you're trying to determine which religion is more violent. I don't think you understand the point of this argument was to determine which religion is more violent; not if religions are violent in general. We all know that both have been. Once again by simple logic, this DOES NOT mean they are equally dangerous.

Both religions are violent, we agree.

One has more terrorists than the other. We agree.

Both are violent. We agree.

You consider Islam more violent than Christianity because more Islamic terrorists exist... I would have to agree... solely because the number is greater. So we agree.

We agree 99% of us are peaceful.

Let's start arguing about the 1% that is fucking it up for all us....

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But we still agree both religions are violent albeit one has more extremists than the other.

Declaring that Islam is more dangerous than Christianity is useless in reality... (You can't judge a Muslim like this)

Just as you can't judge a Muslim like this ^ a Muslim can't judge a Christian like this ^ . It doesn't make sense.

It adds no value saying Islam is more dangerous than Christianity.

We can't take this as a postulate [Islam is more dangerous than Christianity] and then use it to make judgment calls when we see a Muslim or a Christian.

It wouldn't be accurate 99% of the time.

So declaring Islam more dangerous than Christianity is useless.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

::facepalm::

Islam IS more dangerous though. Compare how Islamic texts are interpreted and taught today, to the way Christian texts are interpreted and taught.

Where in the Middle East you will have many mosques preaching to convert and kill those who refuse, you will not find that with Christian churches. Not even close to the number that you would find with Islam.

While that above statement is not personally prejudiced against Muslims that I do not know personally, it is looking at the facts about the religion as a whole.

As we have mentioned with billions of people, 1% DOES matter.

You consider Islam more violent than Christianity because more Islamic terrorists exist... I would have to agree... solely because the number is greater. So we agree.

That is the point of the entire argument. It took a while and quit a bit of text out of you, but you have finally admitted to losing the argument. That statement goes against everything you've been saying. And that's the only thing I've been trying to argue. You should go back and read all of your posts and perhaps you'll start to understand how you tripped over your own words and logic numerous times.

 

[popeye]

This thread is one of the fuckin stupidest threads, I have read on this forum. The unripe fuck or whatever, does not deal in logic. To actually say that Christianity as it stands today is violent, is really, really ignorant.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Islam IS more dangerous though. Compare how Islamic texts are interpreted and taught today, to the way Christian texts are interpreted and taught.

Ultimately though only 1% of them turn violent. So still.

Muslim leaders still condemn the violence, too. Most Muslims aren't violent and most Muslims don't agree with the violence. (A lot of them are complacent about the issue, I know, but this still doesn't represent the majority)

Where in the Middle East you will have many mosques preaching to convert and kill those who refuse, you will not find that with Christian churches. Not even close to the number that you would find with Islam.

While that above statement is not personally prejudiced against Muslims that I do not know personally, it is looking at the facts about the religion as a whole.

I've already shown you that in the Qur'an violence in order to convert is harem. (not permitted)

I've already shown that most Muslims don't believe in forced conversion and that the last notable forced conversion happened in the 18th century. I've shown this already here... in this thread.

Modern Islam doesn't condone violence of any kind.

Ultimately...99% are still peaceful. Even with all the preaching in the mosques, cheering on, etc. 99% of them are simply peaceful people.

As we have mentioned with billions of people, 1% DOES matter.

Yes, in terms of amount of violence in the world.

I've already showed you this is a meaningless declaration though.

It still doesn't make sense to say Islam is more violent than Christianity. It gets you nowhere.

It doesn't make sense to say Islam is violent, period. Just as it doesn't make sense to call Christianity violent.

That is the point of the entire argument. It took a while and quit a bit of text out of you, but you have finally admitted to losing the argument. That statement goes against everything you've been saying. And that's the only thing I've been trying to argue. You should go back and read all of your posts and perhaps you'll start to understand how you tripped over your own words and logic numerous times.

Sure I'll go back and read my posts.....

I've already admitted it way early on.....

The number of radical Islams in the world is greater than the number of radical Christians so more terrorism is done in the name of Islam than Christians, yes. But, that doesn't change the fact that both forms of extremism are equally dangerous.

What I meant by that ^ is that once a Christian or a Muslim has reached their extremism (violence) you can't distinguish them...both are violent and want to kill.

Practically and in reality, yes, solely because there are a greater number of them that exist in the world. (at this time in history)

I admit again that more radical Islams exist in the world.

Yes, if you look at it in terms of frequency distribution more people that "smoke" the Islamic "cigarette" are likely to acquire "cancer". Islam is more dangerous than the Christianity cigarette (the people that manufacture Christian cigarettes have put better tar filters in) but smoking cigarettes (religion) is taking a risk in the first place.

I admit here that more Muslims end up being extremist. (still within that 1% though)

So.....

 

[UnripeArbiter]

This thread is one of the fuckin stupidest threads, I have read on this forum. The unripe fuck or whatever, does not deal in logic. To actually say that Christianity as it stands today is violent, is really, really ignorant.

You don't follow and I don't care to get you up to speed.

It still doesn't make sense to say Islam is more violent than Christianity. It gets you nowhere.

It doesn't make sense to say Islam is violent, period. Just as it doesn't make sense to call Christianity violent..

I don't care to get yo uup to speed.... Either read or don't comment.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

Ultimately though only 1% of them turn violent. So still.

And as mentioned :

WHEN DEALING WITH BILLIONS OF PEOPLE, 1% IS A HUGE NUMBER. IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST "SHRUG OFF" IN ARGUMENT AND PRETEND IT DOESN'T EXIST.

You are a complete idiot if you think that modern Islam condones all violence. Turn on your television if you want proof.

You keep making useless arguments because you refuse to acknowledge the fact that 1% is still a HUGE number of violent people out there.

It is NOT a "meaningless declaration". It is facts, that you seem to ignore.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

By the way :

Stop arguing with your personal philosophies. They do not matter. Neither do mine.

Argue with facts, and logic. Every time I bring up facts, you combat it with your personal feelings, what you think I'm saying and how you think I feel about Muslims.

Start using valid facts to show me that modern Islam isn't more dangerous than modern Christianity. Oh wait, you can't.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

And as mentioned :

WHEN DEALING WITH BILLIONS OF PEOPLE, 1% IS A HUGE NUMBER. IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST "SHRUG OFF" IN ARGUMENT AND PRETEND IT DOESN'T EXIST.

You are a complete idiot if you think that modern Islam condones all violence. Turn on your television if you want proof.

You keep making useless arguments because you refuse to acknowledge the fact that 1% is still a HUGE number of violent people out there.

It is NOT a "meaningless declaration". It is facts, that you seem to ignore.

OK more extremist Islams exist in the world I FUCKING ADMIT THIS.... JESUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST.

IVE QUOTED MYSELF STATING THIS FACT DAYS AGO!! (this link goes to THREE ADMISSIONS)

It's impossible for me to get my message across to you.

When you see a Muslim please say to him/her, "Man, your religion is fucking dangerous, thanks a lot for blowing up the WTC, asshole."

Tell a Muslim that his faith is dangerous and violent.

Tell a Muslim this!

Imagine a Muslim saying Christianity is violent to YOU because they shoot abortion doctors, and they blow clinics up, and they... I've fucking listed all the shit Christian terrorists do already.

Imagine a Muslim or anyone (like me) pointing at you and saying Christianity is violent, look at all the Christian violence!

You would get pissed like you are now. (I'm pissed)

You would say to this Muslim, "fuck you!". You would tell this Muslim you have no idea what my theology states so go fuck off.

JUST AS THE MUSLIM WOULD SAY FUCK YOU TO YOU!

You're just too fucking prejudiced to see past it and get my message. (prejudcied against atheists and prejudiced against Muslims)

Again, go tell it to a Muslim.

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Watch this video again. (or for the first time)

Imagine you are the fucking store clerk.

I think at :45 he says something like, "you're a terrorist is what you are"

This is like you! It's discriminatory!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cxjQ3Jt1G4"]YouTube- Encountering Prejudice - What would you do?[/ame]