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SUP3RNOVA said:
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You can't say Norway is peaceful because they're 70% atheist. They're peaceful because they're in no man's land and aren't a world power.
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As luck would have it, a good friend of mine is hosting a man from Norway. The man is older (a grandfather), so he has a perspective drawn from time. I've barraged him with questions during the last two mornings.

As luck would further have it, I asked him the very question about which you and UnripeArbiter are discussing. His response was far removed from your respective points.

I won't bore either of you with his response. Nor am I saying he's correct. I'm only interjecting because I happened to speak at length with an older Norwegian about this very topic.

I'm now bowing out to grab my bowl of ice cream and to continue enjoying the drama.
 


Shaz07 said:
Sigh, people like you are the reason the USA is in this mess right now. .
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LOL

Apparently my comment has been taken the wrong way. I don't mean nobody gives a shit about the people of Norway. I'm saying those looking to attack other nations wouldn't put Norway on their list. Norway keeps to it's own. Which is a message that I agree with completely - isolate yourself and worry about your own liberty and prosperity.

The point I was making with that statement was the reason Norway is peaceful is because they don't bug anyone. That may partially have to do with the fact that there is a lower chance of them doing something stupid on behalf of religion.

The reason the US isn't peaceful isn't because we're a predominately Christian nation, it's because we're all up in everyone else's business (including their religious business). If the majority of the United States became atheist, it wouldn't change anything. We would still be hated, still be attacked, and would still intervene in other countries problems.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
The point I was making with that statement was the reason Norway is peaceful is because they don't bug anyone.
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Doggone it. Sucked back into the rabbit hole.

Paul's clarification is consistent with the explanation given to me by the Norwegian. Sorry to misconstrue it.

Here's the rest of the conversation...

Him: We don't attack anybody.

Me: Good move.

Him: Yeah, I know!

[chuckles]

Him (again): But, that's changing.

Me: What do you mean?

Him: We have troops in Afghanistan.

Me: Why in the world are you over there?

Him: NATO.

Me: Whoops.

Him: Yes. Whoops.
 
CallOnMe said:
omg this thread is super long
aniway i think Muslims are dangerous.
we have the coolest president in the world and is not Muslim for sure
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You guys make Ferrari and your PM bangs hot 18 year olds. Verdict: Italy is fucking awesome.

That whole renaissance thing seemed to work out pretty well for you too.

 
It's misleading to say that 70% of Norway is atheist. This gives a better idea :

32% of Norwegian citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
47% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
17% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
4% answered that they "do not know".


It can also be misleading to paint the middle east with one big brush. Some countries there have much lower homicide rates than the USA. There are millions of Christians living relatively decent lives in parts of the middle east, right alongside with the Muslims.
 
Moxie said:
It's misleading to say that 70% of Norway is atheist. This gives a better idea :

32% of Norwegian citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
47% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
17% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
4% answered that they "do not know".


It can also be misleading to paint the middle east with one big brush. Some countries there have much lower homicide rates than the USA. There are millions of Christians living relatively decent lives in parts of the middle east, right alongside with the Muslims.
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I think authoritarian-leaning societies typically do better on the crime issue. When I say "better", I just mean lower rates. Because well, they don't fuck around.
What happened in Russia after liberalization and the collapse of the USSR? Crime went up.
 
^ Yeah, crime tends to rise with unemployment though, so Russia was probably going to have at least some increase whether the government changed or not.
 
Sharksfan said:
Apparently you haven't heard of the Christian Dominion movement.
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Nor paid any attention to the situation of militant christianity in India and Pakistan.

Hellblazer: Ummm... how come you never ask people to cite statistics about the number of muslims blowing people up?
Look up "you're more likely to be killed by" + "than a terrorist".
8x more likely for death by cop shows up a lot, just as an example.
I think you need better things to worry about.

SUP3RNOVA said:
The point I was making with that statement was the reason Norway is peaceful is because they don't bug anyone. That may partially have to do with the fact that there is a lower chance of them doing something stupid on behalf of religion.
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Call me a left wing lunatic if you will, but didn't Bush actually say that god actually told him he was doing the right thing by invading Iraq? I'm pretty damn certain he said something about god telling him to do this at a press conference.
But that doesn't count as religious motivation for not being peaceful... I mean, if the president were an agnostic or an atheist, I'm pretty sure god wouldn't have said shit to him, and the ball game would have remained in Afghanistan, been finished up, and the middle east would actually be a hell of a lot safer with a manageable and harmless (to the US) tin pot dictator still in power with his total lack of viable WMDs.
 
I'M EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED WITH EVERYONE!

This is an affiliate marketing community and this thread has almost reached 100 posts and not one of you has indicated how excited you were with the term "Forced Conversions" being thrown around so 'liberally'.

Tsk, Tsk. I would have expected more from you ballerz.
 
Sharksfan said:
Ever heard of "Oklahoma City"?
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yoink*gasp* said:
Religion is religion, there's no difference aside from its name. The vast majority of religion preaches respect, peace, and mutual understanding. Then you have the extremities, of which Christianity has its fair share.
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Seeing we are 78.4% Christian & 0.6% Muslim we should have 129 more christian terrorists acts to make this an apples for apples argument.
 
Lol poor liberals. If there was no Timothy McVeigh, who would they be able to cite over and over and over again to prove Christian 'terrorism' is such a danger?
 
HarveyJ said:
Nor paid any attention to the situation of militant christianity in India and Pakistan.
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Post all the attacks that they've perpetrated and I'll post all the attacks I can find by muslim extremists. Deal?

Also, if you think death toll or the likelihood of dying from a terrorist attack is a good measure of terrorism's impact then you're completely missing the point of terrorism.

The impact of an attack is not completely dependent on the number killed. The terrorists know this, that's why they pick targets such as the world trade center.

Terrorist tactics are designed to -- well -- terrorize. Only 173 died in the Mumbai attacks last year but I'm sure the citizens felt as if they were under seige for at least the three days while the attacks were happening and probably for a while afterwards. The normal workings of the entire city were disrupted. How many tourists have canceled their trips since? How many business deals have been backed out of? The death toll isn't as important of a measure of a terrorist attack's impact than the FUD it creates. Although that could all change if they get a hold of serious weapons(ie pakistan's nuclear arsenal).


IMO, 9/11 was the single biggest factor in causing the credit bubble and the following global financial/real estate crash. Why? Because we were already in a recession and 9/11 caused Greenspan to lower interest rates and keep them low for an unprecedented period of time.

In other words, the 9/11 attacks played a big part in bringing the global economy to the brink of depression.
 
Wait I thought this was a direct admission and not some fucking conspiracy video. This is the biggest bullshit I've seen. Anybody can splice together clips to make it sound like what you want it to sound like.

Nice clip from faux news too.

Either way, religion or not, the world will still have fucked up people doing fucked up things.
 
hellblazer said:
Wow - a New York Times article from 2003 and a Wikipedia section so sparse it has a grand total of 3 examples. Yup - you convinced me. Definitely a huge threat.
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There's 3 links there, though as usual any point trying to be made to you has flown over your head.
 
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