Three Stages of Jhiad

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Stage One: Stealth Jihad.
Stage Two: Defensive Jihad.
Stage Three: Offensive Jihad.

Video explains why religion of peace in real is a religion of Jihad according to holy Qur'an.

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All this proves is that, just like other 'holy books', it's a hodge-podge of different stories and sources which have been cobbled together over the years, by different people with different agendas and opinions.

The thing that annoys me most about these sort of videos is how intellectually shoddy they are. It creates a straw man by making the assumption that all Muslims are the same, which is quite frankly ridiculous. It's like saying "all Chinese people are the same", or "all Indians are the same".
 
amateursurgeon said:
All this proves is that, just like other 'holy books', it's a hodge-podge of different stories and sources which have been cobbled together over the years, by different people with different agendas and opinions.

The thing that annoys me most about these sort of videos is how intellectually shoddy they are. It creates a straw man by making the assumption that all Muslims are the same, which is quite frankly ridiculous. It's like saying "all Chinese people are the same", or "all Indians are the same".
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I think the most important thing from the video is that Islam teaches violence. That's what he's addressing, not the fact that there could be good Muslims.
 
potentialeight said:
Everything else teaches violence too. Who gives a shit?
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Not even remotely true.

Jainism teaches such extreme non-violence (ahimsa) that they sweep the ground in front of them as to not step on bugs. They wear breathing masks so as to not accidentally inhale a bug.

Hinduism doesn't teach violence either, unless you want to start talking about the dharma of the warrior, etc. But even that's not remotely the same.

Buddhism teaches no violence. Only the extinguishing of suffering, approaching liberation, and compassion.

Christianity teaches only compassion and love for others. They even embrace the gentiles now!

Taoism teaches being in harmony with nature, which means there is some violence involved, but it's not that kind of intention that arises out of anger or jealousy, etc. You kill to eat like everything else.

The list goes on and on.
 
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thehobbster said:
Not even remotely true.

Jainism teaches such extreme non-violence (ahimsa) that they sweep the ground in front of them as to not step on bugs. They wear breathing masks so as to not accidentally inhale a bug.

Hinduism doesn't teach violence either, unless you want to start talking about the dharma of the warrior, etc. But even that's not remotely the same.

Buddhism teaches no violence. Only the extinguishing of suffering, approaching liberation, and compassion.

Christianity teaches only compassion and love for others. They even embrace the gentiles now!

Taoism teaches being in harmony with nature, which means there is some violence involved, but it's not that kind of intention that arises out of anger or jealousy, etc. You kill to eat like everything else.

The list goes on and on.
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^^^^^ 100 X this
 
Some allow violence only when someone attacks you. In other words, only when you are defending yourself from an attack.

This is subject to interpretation and you have to draw a line according to what you consider as an attack. Some will consider anything as an attack and their minds will go into attack mode. This is what I understand from this

Now if you take away the religious ideology, the same stupid people will fall for any other kind of non-religious propaganda / bullshitting too.

However, violence is important too. It has a part in everyday life.. but again it is upto an individual to decide where it is appropriate and where it is not. Its about how you draw a line.. Entirely non-violent people will get attacked a lot, and eventually wiped out if they don't get violent. So, violence is not entirely unnecessary afaiu
 
quintana said:
Christians are gentiles. And the Holy Bible has its fair share of violence in it
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Jesus and the Apostles weren't gentiles.

And yeah, the old Testament has violence in it. The only reason it is even relevant in Christianity is that it's a syncretic religion that used and absorbed a past religion to springboard itself forward.

The only violence in the New Testament was done against Christians, minus an ear getting chopped off in self-defense.

But notice i didn't really mention Judaism in my list. I don't think they push violence, but it is a part of the belief system in the Old Testament back when the main philosophical thought was coming out of tribal people needing to protect their lands and stick together. It's not quite like that now.
 
amateursurgeon said:
All this proves is that, just like other 'holy books', it's a hodge-podge of different stories and sources which have been cobbled together over the years, by different people with different agendas and opinions.
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^ Yes.

Without a doubt, Religion is nothing but organized mythology, which arises out of a need to satisfy the spiritual side of life. It was all used as metaphors to understand the transcendent and therefore not-understandable. Then people who don't understand metaphors got ahold of it, and people who wanted to control society got ahold of it.

Religion is not a bad thing as many of you would like to think. It is a necessity. People only get on the level that they are capable of getting on. Some of us can comprehend deep philosophy and can think about why we shouldn't just go kill someone else. Other people can't, and need someone to simply tell them not to and why they should fear doing so. The IQ scale tells it all, and levels of self-awareness are hard to attain without serious effort, and 99% of people are too lazy to read a book, let alone do some self-analysis and real behavioral and cognitive modifications.
 
To clarify: When kids shoot up a school, people blame all kinds of crazy shit. When brown people blow up a building, they blame it on the whole Muslim thing. I think there are bigger reasons why these people do the stupid shit they do than their religion.
 
There have been tens of thousands of Jesus cartoons and no one was killed for that. But, even a single Mohamed cartoon results in a big violence. I'm not a christian btw!
 
faceblogger said:
There have been tens of thousands of Jesus cartoons and no one was killed for that. But, even a single Mohamed cartoon results in a big violence. I'm not a christian btw!
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You really need to take the long view on this stuff. 300 years ago, you'd have been burned at the stake for making Jesus cartoons.

The Church has been an incredible organ of oppression over the centuries. Even now, the Pope is responsible for millions of deaths by spreading lies about HIV & Condoms.

As for Buddhists being non-violent? Well the Buddha may have taught non-violence, but some of his followers don't seem to have gotten the message:

Persecution of Muslims in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I think we all can agree that 300 years ago there was no "cartoon". If you meant painting, then Leonardo Da Vinci would have been burned.

amateursurgeon said:
You really need to take the long view on this stuff. 300 years ago, you'd have been burned at the stake for making Jesus cartoons.

The Church has been an incredible organ of oppression over the centuries. Even now, the Pope is responsible for millions of deaths by spreading lies about HIV & Condoms.

As for Buddhists being non-violent? Well the Buddha may have taught non-violence, but some of his followers don't seem to have gotten the message:

Persecution of Muslims in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Regardless of everything, the fact of the matter is Islam is currently the most brutal religion on this planet. Muslims kill in the name of religion. You can spin that not all Muslims are like that, but that's like saying playing with fire is not going to hurt you. Don't get butthurt, just see the reality and acknowledge that it is what it is.
 
amateursurgeon said:
You really need to take the long view on this stuff. 300 years ago, you'd have been burned at the stake for making Jesus cartoons.

The Church has been an incredible organ of oppression over the centuries. Even now, the Pope is responsible for millions of deaths by spreading lies about HIV & Condoms.

As for Buddhists being non-violent? Well the Buddha may have taught non-violence, but some of his followers don't seem to have gotten the message:

Persecution of Muslims in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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X number of wrongs don't make anything else right. Islam is fucked-up, has got totally out of control and woven into the politics of that crazy region.
 
I expect a higher level of savvy here, since we're supposed to be a community that understands marketing. All religion is a tool for controlling people. This is painfully obvious in Judeo-Christian religions, but just as true for Vedic religions. You will notice, neither Jesus or Buddha told their followers "worship me."

Arguing about the inherent violence in a religion misses the point entirely. Fundamentalist Muslims aren't killing over depictions of the Prophet (PBUH) because it's part of their spiritual teachings, anymore than fundamentalist Christians are blowing up abortion clinics because Jesus said "Do this, and remember me."

These people are just tools, and in cases like the recent blasphemous video charade, it is much more reasonable to believe that the fundamentalism Muslims are just a scape-goat for the war-mongering actions of the U.S. government.
 
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