Three Stages of Jhiad

[amateursurgeon]

Regardless of everything, the fact of the matter is Islam is currently the most brutal religion on this planet. Muslims kill in the name of religion. You can spin that not all Muslims are like that, but that's like saying playing with fire is not going to hurt you. Don't get butthurt, just see the reality and acknowledge that it is what it is.

How is saying "not all X are like Y" like saying playing with fire is not going to hurt you?

Also, what is this "reality" you describe, exactly? Fox news? Youtube videos? Do you actually have any first-hand extended experience of these people at all, or are you happy to let others do your opinion-forming for you?

 

[faceblogger]

You really need to take the long view on this stuff. 300 years ago, you'd have been burned at the stake for making Jesus cartoons.

That's why I said cartoons. (implying the present world where we have cartoons). If you go back 300 years yes you're correct that Christians were violent. Romans and British destroyed a lot of Hindu temples in India. However, my point is that Muslims still remain 100-200 years behind the civilization and behave extremely retarded when it comes to religion.

As for Buddhists being non-violent? Well the Buddha may have taught non-violence, but some of his followers don't seem to have gotten the message:

Persecution of Muslims in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

People from all religions involve in religious violence. But, Islamists are much worse than others in religious violence. I think that's common sense.

 

[amateursurgeon]

I expect a higher level of savvy here, since we're supposed to be a community that understands marketing. All religion is a tool for controlling people. This is painfully obvious in Judeo-Christian religions, but just as true for Vedic religions. You will notice, neither Jesus or Buddha told their followers "worship me."

Arguing about the inherent violence in a religion misses the point entirely. Fundamentalist Muslims aren't killing over depictions of the Prophet (PBUH) because it's part of their spiritual teachings, anymore than fundamentalist Christians are blowing up abortion clinics because Jesus said "Do this, and remember me."

These people are just tools, and in cases like the recent blasphemous video charade, it is much more reasonable to believe that the fundamentalism Muslims are just a scape-goat for the war-mongering actions of the U.S. government.

This... personally, I think that arguing that one religion is less violent than another is like arguing that cancer is worse than cardiovascular disease.

They all work to achieve the same end - control over the mind, exclusion/damnation of non-believers, and indoctrination of their followers to a very narrow worldview.

It's laughable to see how easily people in the west have accepted the replacement of the Communist Boogeyman with the Turbaned Jihadi. 20 years ago, we were giving money to same people we now revile.

Haven't you people read 1984? It's exactly the same as the Ingsoc/Eurasia/Eastasia fabrication. You need to believe in a demon, because then the government can keep you scared and compliant.

 

[avatar33]

Not even remotely true.

Jainism teaches such extreme non-violence (ahimsa) that they sweep the ground in front of them as to not step on bugs. They wear breathing masks so as to not accidentally inhale a bug.

Hinduism doesn't teach violence either, unless you want to start talking about the dharma of the warrior, etc. But even that's not remotely the same.

Buddhism teaches no violence. Only the extinguishing of suffering, approaching liberation, and compassion.

Christianity teaches only compassion and love for others. They even embrace the gentiles now!

Taoism teaches being in harmony with nature, which means there is some violence involved, but it's not that kind of intention that arises out of anger or jealousy, etc. You kill to eat like everything else.

The list goes on and on.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

The world religion mainly refers to Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Don't mix it up with spiritual currents and Eastern philosophies.

That said, I can guarantee you that all 3 Abrahamic religions have more or less the same violent content. AFAIK Sinners and Infidels never got a kind treatment in any of the holy books. I've talked with a friend of mine who's doing a PhD in Theology and he confirmed it...

I'll say what I've said many times on this forum: at only 1,400 years old Islam is the teenager of all religions so its followers still have problems interpreting it and seeing what makes sense and what doesn't for our time. Same thing happened with Christianity 500 years ago and Judaism thousands of years ago. When's the last time you've seen a 28 year old and a 23 year old bash on their 14 year old friend for not being on the same level as them?

 

[jacky8]

If you go back 300 years yes you're correct that Christians were violent. Romans and British destroyed a lot of Hindu temples in India.

They could do more

The British ruled over India for like a century. Apparently, they didn't try to convert the poor Indians to Christianity. India is still mostly Hindu

You can bet that if Saudi Arabia had ruled over India for a century, most of the Indians would be muslim by now.

But still, my opinion is that there are good muslims and bad muslims. Just like all other people.

 

[faceblogger]

They could do more

The British ruled over India for like a century. Apparently, they didn't try to convert the poor Indians to Christianity. India is still mostly Hindu

You can bet that if Saudi Arabia had ruled over India for a century, most of the Indians would be muslim by now.

But still, my opinion is that there are good muslims and bad muslims. Just like all other people.

lol. Don't make assumptions against facts.

Muslims tried to convert Indians when they invaded India, that's one of the main reasons why India has got some Muslims (other reason is later some Muslims went to India for business. Both happened in different places of India). There were many people (in India) who were tortured and slaughtered for not accepting Islam, during the Arab invasions. Pakistan and Bangladesh were part of India and they were Hindus before Arabs converted them into Muslims.

Romans and British tried to convert Indians to Christians, that's why India has got some Christians. (lol. still many christian movements are trying to convert poor Indians to Christianity by showing money)
However the fact is that they could not convert the vast majority.

Not relevant to the main topic of this thread but posted since your assumption was totally wrong.

 

[bobby_custard]

Resistance is futile

 

[lukep]

This... personally, I think that arguing that one religion is less violent than another is like arguing that cancer is worse than cardiovascular disease.
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Haven't you people read 1984? It's exactly the same as the Ingsoc/Eurasia/Eastasia fabrication. You need to believe in a demon, because then the government can keep you scared and compliant.

Bullshit.

Their form of religion is based on violence and deceit. It commands murder and extreme xenophobia.

You just don't get these kinds of numbers from anything else but islam... Which I don't think deserved to be called a religion; it's just pure hate and evil.


As an atheist I want all religion to go away, but me and the christians are not likely to Kill each other. There is some civility between us.

Not with islam though. My life is forfeit simply because I'm an atheist and happen to be standing in the wrong spot... This is not something I can say about anything else that calls itself a religion, not even satanism.

 

[SnapJacks]

Where is suddenly ass when you need him

 

[Moxie]

at only 1,400 years old Islam is the teenager of all religions

There probably is something to what you are saying, but in general extremism is able to flourish more under certain conditions that have nothing to do with religion. The age of the religion is the same for 3 million American Muslims as it is for those in Afghanistan, but less than half of the people in the latter can read or write.

It's probably impossible to convince Shaquille O'Neal to go attack someone in the name of his religion, but that would be different if he was an angry illiterate guy in Afghanistan worrying that the Americans might kill his goat or whatever.

Da Vinci was mentioned above. Well, during his time people were burned at the stake for trying to explain rainbows and for saying the earth revolved around the sun. Meanwhile in the Islamic world they were much more open to science and in many ways had been on the forefront.

The "al" in algebra and algorithm is essentially the same as the one in "al qaeda."


Why the Arabic World Turned Away from Science

Astronomy in medieval Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[pewep]

Not even remotely true.

Jainism teaches such extreme non-violence (ahimsa) that they sweep the ground in front of them as to not step on bugs. They wear breathing masks so as to not accidentally inhale a bug.

Hinduism doesn't teach violence either, unless you want to start talking about the dharma of the warrior, etc. But even that's not remotely the same.

Buddhism teaches no violence. Only the extinguishing of suffering, approaching liberation, and compassion.

Christianity teaches only compassion and love for others. They even embrace the gentiles now!

Taoism teaches being in harmony with nature, which means there is some violence involved, but it's not that kind of intention that arises out of anger or jealousy, etc. You kill to eat like everything else.

The list goes on and on.

Did you really just add christianity to that list?

 

[EvilPenguin]

:angel:

Bullshit.

Their form of religion is based on violence and deceit. It commands murder and extreme xenophobia.

You just don't get these kinds of numbers from anything else but islam... Which I don't think deserved to be called a religion; it's just pure hate and evil.


As an atheist I want all religion to go away, but me and the christians are not likely to Kill each other. There is some civility between us.

Not with islam though. My life is forfeit simply because I'm an atheist and happen to be standing in the wrong spot... This is not something I can say about anything else that calls itself a religion, not even satanism.

so what's your point exactly?

210 million people died in the name of communism by the way.

 

[amateursurgeon]

Bullshit.

Their form of religion is based on violence and deceit. It commands murder and extreme xenophobia.

You just don't get these kinds of numbers from anything else but islam... Which I don't think deserved to be called a religion; it's just pure hate and evil.

So the genocide of Bosnian Muslims by Orthodox Christian and Catholic forces doesn't count, then?

There are 30-50 Christian-on-Christian terror attacks in Northern Ireland every year, which although not on the scale of the other numbers, is impressive for a country of only 1,800,000 population.

 

[faceblogger]

amateursurgeon

Extremism is higher in Islam than other religions. But, yes extremism exists in all religions.

1.Go to a typical Hindu country and make a tweet insulting Shiva/Vishnu
2.Go to a typical Buddhist country and make a tweet insulting Buddha
3.Go to a typical christian country and make a tweet insulting Christ
4.Go to a typical Islamic country and make a tweet insulting Mohamed

#4 will more or less cost your life but others probably wont.

If you still don't want to understand the difference, I think you are biased (you're a Muslim).

 

[goingviral101]

I tend to stay away from these threads, but it annoys me to see people generalizing all or even a majority of muslims as violent when it's not true. You can't characterize an entire group of people following a religion based off the actions of a minority of extremists who are deranged and have nothing but irrational hate for the western world.

That said, the minute % of muslims that make up these extremists are probably more dangerous and irrational than those of any other groups.

 

[amateursurgeon]

amateursurgeon

Extremism is higher in Islam than other religions. But, yes extremism exists in all religions.

1.Go to a typical Hindu country and make a tweet insulting Shiva/Vishnu
2.Go to a typical Buddhist country and make a tweet insulting Buddha
3.Go to a typical christian country and make a tweet insulting Christ
4.Go to a typical Islamic country and make a tweet insulting Mohamed

#4 will more or less cost your life but others probably wont.

If you still don't want to understand the difference, I think you are biased (you're a Muslim).

Depends on the country. If you do it in a theocracy, like Iran or Saudi, then sure. In a secular democracy like Turkey, probably not.

Also, different religions have different taboos. "Buddha" isn't God, and neither is "Shiva".

2.Go to a typical Buddhist country and make a tweet insulting Buddha

Try insulting the King in Thailand. The reason he's so revered is that many believe him to be a bodhisattva.

3.Go to a typical christian country and make a tweet insulting Christ

Try saying that you support the rights of gays to marry in Uganda.

That said, I wouldn't dispute that Islam has a higher level of extremism in general right now than these other religions.

But to make leap and say "all muslims are terrorists in waiting", as OP inferred makes as much sense as the old radical feminist saw that "all men are rapists".

For a start, the idea that "Muslims" are one group is as accurate as saying "Christians" are one group. There are Shia, Sunni and Sufis for a start, and they hate on each other as much as they they hate on outsiders.

99% of extremism today is based on Wahhabi Islam, which is like of the Westboro Baptist Church of Islam. The reason it's so widespread is because of the immense money and power of one of its biggest proponents - the House of Saud.

And where did the House of Saud get all their money? Oh, that's right, us. Both directly through oil revenues, and indirectly through using jihadis as proxy fighters in afghanistan back in the 80s, we have created the monster we now wrestle with.

No wonder the media are so keen to blame it on a book.

(And no, not a Muslim. I personally think all the Abrahamic religions are the same thing in different clothing, just respun to make a different people feel "chosen". I just find the lazy thinking and ready acceptance of state propaganda that characterises many people's view of Islam to be dispiriting.)

 

[amateursurgeon]

Should also add - there are plenty of grounds to critique non-extremist Islam on (treatment of women being the easiest)... just repeating the same old "Religion of Peace LOL" nonsense over and over again is really, really lame.

 

[ThisWebThing]

I think what many in the west don't understand about Islam, is that it's a Military Movement. Always has been.

 

[WickedJoe]

I posted this in anohter thread.. might as well post it here too:

I'm just glad that I'll likely be dead by the time Islam spreads to the U.S. due to weak-assed multiculturalists not realizing that they are embracing a culture whose goal is to end multiculturalism lol. Funny how some idiots can't recognize a virus to freedom and multiculturalism when they see one. Continue to embrace that snake dumb-fucks and hope it doesn't bite you.

Fucking dumbass overly-accepting liberals will be their own undoing.. thinking that all religions are equal and all cultures deserve the same amount of respect. And this is coming from a mostly-liberal atheist who loves multiculturalism. Not all religions are equally destructive, and there are plenty of cultures that do not deserve to be respected!

 

[SnapJacks]

Ahmadinejad Slams Gay Webmasters

"I'm sorry. Let me ask you this. Do you believe that anyone is giving birth through homosexuality? Homosexuality ceases procreation. Who has said that if you like or believe in doing something ugly, and others do not accept your behavior, that they're denying your freedom?" he asked Morgan.
"Proper education must be given ... the education system must be revamped. The political system must be revamped. And these must be also reformed, revamped along the way. But if you, if a group recognizes an ugly behavior or ugly deed as legitimate, you must not expect other countries or other groups to give it the same recognition."

Iran's president ranges far in interview: talks Israel, slams homosexuality - CNN.com