U.S. Foreign Policy: What Would You Do?

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We've got plenty of problems inside our borders. But that won't stop us mucking about around the world, notably the middle east. Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and now Syria.

Critics say we haven't been doing a great job. From CNN's Cafferty:

The United States is threatening "targeted sanctions" against Syria in the wake of another bloody crackdown on protesters.

The National Security Council has accused Syria of "brutal violence" against its citizens, calling it "completely deplorable." It's tough talk - much tougher than what President Obama had to say on Friday. When he learned that 70 unarmed Syrian protesters were murdered by government security forces, the president issued a statement calling on "all sides to cease and desist." Huh?

President Obama isn't exactly getting high praise for his foreign policy these days. More than a month into a bloody civil war in Libya, the conflict appears to have reached a stalemate. After weeks of hemming and hawing and not saying a whole lot on the matter, Obama gave the OK for airstrikes against Libya, without consulting Congress first.

He said we would be involved in Libya for a "matter of days, not weeks." It's already approaching months. He said no American boots would ever be on the ground in Libya. Wrong again. We've been on the ground there for some time. Then last week, the president authorized the use of unmanned drone strikes in Libya in support of NATO airstrikes. Yet another expensive escalation. And violence continues to rage on throughout the region.

A piece on the Daily Beast calls Obama "a persuasive politician and diplomat who gets others to crawl out on limbs, has them take big risks to break through to a new future and then turns around and walks away from them when the political winds in the United States threaten to shift."

To think his critics had the temerity to suggest he didn't have the necessary experience to be president.*
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There's no money in the till here at home. A lot of lives are on the line. And we're in bed with so many dictators that saying, "Let us know when it's over" may not be an option.**

So, how would you handle the mess? What would you do?

I'm sure a few of you are thinking, "Nuke the bastards." lol C'mon now. Any takers?



* lol at voters
** And then there's China.



In before lukep posts "Century Of Self" again.
 


U.S. dominance is on its way out. It would only take time before Europe recovered from WWII, China recovers from Colonialism, Russia recovers from Communism.. etc. We're not the big dog anymore and we're on the way out. Pull our forces from the rest of the world and let em settle it.
 
Fuck the middle east and rest of the world for that matter. We've been taking care of so much shit for so long it's drained us.

Let the mid east implode and if the rags want to chop each other to pieces, have at it. Take 1/100th the war budget and build a drone airforce and hellfire the shit out of any obvious terrorist camps.

Let Europe and the rest of our allies for that matter pay for their own defense and lets see how long their socialist bullshit 8 weeks vacation lasts.

Tell the fucking Saudi royal family if they don't lower the price of oil that they can fend for themselves and mean it.
 
1. Scale down armed forces spending. Less overseas deployment, more emphasis on tech development. Forget about the "we are the world police" mentality.
2.Follow Chinas lead and deal with countries without considering their own domestic policies. Bitching about whether they have human rights or not gets the USA nowhere, just deal with them and get resources. If you don't, China or Russia definitely will.
3. Stop blind support for Israel. It is actually crazy that a foreign country has so much influence in USA politics. Any time a US president decides to take Israel on he is forced to U-turn or step back once the Israelli lobbys pressure is applied.
4. Stop worrying about Iran. Who cares if they have WMDs or not? The same goes for North Korea. Just a waste of time and money.
5.Get the fuck out of Afghanistan. What is the point in fighting over a mountain wasteland when you will never win. How Obama stayed there I will never understand.
6. Get out of Iraq. The war is over, but you are still there.
7. Concentrate on Intelligence, better border defence and a better image in Muslim countries. That is a much better approach to fighting terrorism
 
Put a plan into place where we'd actually pay for the world's oil rather than take it by brute force. It would be much more cost effective, plus we'd be a lot safer as a nation.

But... let's not kid ourselves. War is much too profitable for the small group of people that pull the world's strings.
 
Build up our armed forces into a non negotiable force clear into the future and be prepared to fight China for the world's resources. Best be prepared for cyber, bio and information war cause it's comin'.

cyber - they will take down our grid. say goodbye to all 200 of our nuke reactors and our electricity dependent JIT delivery system addicted populace.
Bio - get ready to hunker in place for up to 3 months as they unleash a bio weapon, most likely extremely virulent influenza. get ready to seal our borders to keep it out. watch for it as their own population revolts against food inflation and they try to thin their herd as well as ours.
Info - no preparation for these types of warfare will ever be made cause all of the owners of the MSM want into China. You'll never hear any of this on the nightly news. orders from Beijing.

for your reference...
"When we decide to revitalize China based on the German model, we must not repeat the mistakes they made."

And he means Hitler's model, which he states, specifically.

"Our Party’s historical mission is to lead the Chinese people to go out."

Liebestraum. Ask your family members how that worked out last time..

The Epoch Times | War Is Not Far from Us and Is the Midwife of the Chinese Century

Oh no, those guys wouldn't use biological weapons. And it's complete chance that this guy Haotian happens to be a general, and the Minister of Defense. Complete coincidence. Rolling Eyes

Here's John Derbyshire's take on it in the National Review:

Sino-Fascism - By John Derbyshire - The Corner - National Review Online

They just gave this idiot their equivalent of the Nobel Peace Prize, the "World Harmony Award" <<cough>> and that was LAST year so that guy Haotian is still a hero to them, officially, as are his views. You can be sure of the type of "harmony" they envision for the world.

Rebecca Novick: A Loyalist and a Tiananmen General Win China's Peace and Harmony Awards
 
HardSale said:
We've been taking care of so much shit for so long it's drained us
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oh noes panic USA not sending any monies

give me a break. USA looks after itself, which means fucking over other countries if it has to. no country simply 'takes care' of another country out of charity. any aid you've given is merely to keep things stable for all the fucking up you're too busy doing the rest of the time. the middle east is unstable because everyone's been wanting a peice of it since before WW2. the brits, the russians, and now the americans.
 
Linklover said:
Build up our armed forces into a non negotiable force clear into the future and be prepared to fight China for the world's resources. Best be prepared for cyber, bio and information war cause it's comin'.

cyber - they will take down our grid. say goodbye to all 200 of our nuke reactors and our electricity dependent JIT delivery system addicted populace.
Bio - get ready to hunker in place for up to 3 months as they unleash a bio weapon, most likely extremely virulent influenza. get ready to seal our borders to keep it out. watch for it as their own population revolts against food inflation and they try to thin their herd as well as ours.
Info - no preparation for these types of warfare will ever be made cause all of the owners of the MSM want into China. You'll never hear any of this on the nightly news. orders from Beijing.

for your reference...
"When we decide to revitalize China based on the German model, we must not repeat the mistakes they made."

And he means Hitler's model, which he states, specifically.

"Our Party’s historical mission is to lead the Chinese people to go out."

Liebestraum. Ask your family members how that worked out last time..

The Epoch Times | War Is Not Far from Us and Is the Midwife of the Chinese Century

Oh no, those guys wouldn't use biological weapons. And it's complete chance that this guy Haotian happens to be a general, and the Minister of Defense. Complete coincidence. Rolling Eyes

Here's John Derbyshire's take on it in the National Review:

Sino-Fascism - By John Derbyshire - The Corner - National Review Online

They just gave this idiot their equivalent of the Nobel Peace Prize, the "World Harmony Award" <<cough>> and that was LAST year so that guy Haotian is still a hero to them, officially, as are his views. You can be sure of the type of "harmony" they envision for the world.

Rebecca Novick: A Loyalist and a Tiananmen General Win China's Peace and Harmony Awards
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Not sure if serious:bigear:
 
JakeStratham said:
We've got plenty of problems inside our borders. But that won't stop us mucking about around the world, notably the middle east. Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and now Syria.

Critics say we haven't been doing a great job. From CNN's Cafferty:

There's no money in the till here at home. A lot of lives are on the line. And we're in bed with so many dictators that saying, "Let us know when it's over" may not be an option.**

So, how would you handle the mess? What would you do?

I'm sure a few of you are thinking, "Nuke the bastards." lol C'mon now. Any takers?



* lol at voters
** And then there's China.



In before lukep posts "Century Of Self" again.
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Although your post is "what would you do?", I'd rather just lay down some thoughts.

First off, I'd prefer to stay out of conflicts in the Middle East. However, it isn't that easy.

We have a huge vested interest in keeping OPEC, and through that oil, attached to the dollar. If countries can buy oil without using the dollar, then that's going to put a huge strain on an already hurting dollar.

Sure, getting involved could and is costing us billions of dollars. But, I like my dollars depreciating at 3-4% a year instead of 20% a year.

The truth of the matter is that there's very little any President can do. Why do you think every president since Reagen ages 20 years during their presidency? It's a stressful job being the captain of a sinking ship.

On to China, I find it hilarious how everyone get's so paranoid about them (not saying you are Jake).

First off, China isn't as invincible as most people like to believe.

China's credit is expanding wayyyy faster than it's GDP, about 3-4x as much. That's a huge sign of overheating and a bubble waiting to pop. They also posted their first trade deficit in 7 years.

Even if none of the above was true, why are marketers and businessmen of all people scared that 1+ billion people are becoming more wealthy? That's a huge market to sell to.

Competition breeds success.

I look forward to stacking paper with some Chinese ballers.
 
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We are helping people who hate us, while spending billions of dollars doing it. Obama is driving this country into bankruptcy, and starting more military operations where we have no business being. Everyone who was "anti-war" was just anti-bush. American soldier fatalities have shot up during 09-10, however anti-war protects have pretty much disappeared.
 
Holy hell the tables didn't paste.

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King. said:
oh noes panic USA not sending any monies

give me a break. USA looks after itself, which means fucking over other countries if it has to. no country simply 'takes care' of another country out of charity. any aid you've given is merely to keep things stable for all the fucking up you're too busy doing the rest of the time. the middle east is unstable because everyone's been wanting a peice of it since before WW2. the brits, the russians, and now the americans.
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^^This. Its amusing seeing how americans justify their Government action as helping the world and now it has to stop because it has put "too much burden on them". You as a country might not benefit but some of you did/do, big time, so it wont.
 
Linklover said:
Dead serious. Read the speech he gave. he is a hero in China and is broadcasting the PRC's intentions. "depopulate the US through the use of bio-weapons"
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I mean't, not sure if your serious. Because obviously you don't know shit about foreign policy or China in general if your basing your China foreign policy on the ideas of some nutjob general in the CCP.

Sure China has some idiots who think that they should base their whole foreign policy on a coming war with the United States for supreme domination of the world and known galaxy, including Uranus.(Buhahahaha...evil voice) However, there also exists an equally deluded group of people in the United States who believe the same kind of thing. Luckily, these people are extremists, as well as idiots.

Most people don't take them seriously..
 
richcam said:
^^This. Its amusing seeing how americans justify their Government action as helping the world and now it has to stop because it has put "too much burden on them". You as a country might not benefit but some of you did/do, big time, so it wont.
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Yes, by helping the world America benefited too. It's because of America that the world has enjoyed as much peace as it did for so long. America spent billions upon billions keeping the peace through massive military strength and all the while the world became dependent on America's protection. It's really fucking easy to be a pie in the sky socialist utopia when America is footing the bill for your defense.

But as always happens when you spoil the children, they get lazy and unappreciative.

Unfortunately for the world America's back is breaking so hopefully American's will be waking up soon and bidding the rest of the world a hearty fuck you. Protect your own borders. You deal with all of the despots and wanna-be dictators and "revolutionaries". Too bad we have a dumb-fuck Liberal as President who actually managed to get us involved in a third war in another shit-hole part of the world. He'll be a 1-termer.

We'll go ahead and keep our money and technology at home for while and see how the kids handle reality for the next few decades.
 
I seriously don't get how US is still in the middle east. Osama bin Laden & Saddam are dead, seriously just get the fuck out of there.
 
HardSale said:
Yes, by helping the world America benefited too. It's because of America that the world has enjoyed as much peace as it did for so long. America spent billions upon billions keeping the peace through massive military strength and all the while the world became dependent on America's protection. It's really fucking easy to be a pie in the sky socialist utopia when America is footing the bill for your defense.

But as always happens when you spoil the children, they get lazy and unappreciative.

Unfortunately for the world America's back is breaking so hopefully American's will be waking up soon and bidding the rest of the world a hearty fuck you. Protect your own borders. You deal with all of the despots and wanna-be dictators and "revolutionaries". Too bad we have a dumb-fuck Liberal as President who actually managed to get us involved in a third war in another shit-hole part of the world. He'll be a 1-termer.

We'll go ahead and keep our money and technology at home for while and see how the kids handle reality for the next few decades.
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Fuckin aye!
 
HardSale said:
Yes, by helping the world America benefited too. It's because of America that the world has enjoyed as much peace as it did for so long. America spent billions upon billions keeping the peace through massive military strength and all the while the world became dependent on America's protection. It's really fucking easy to be a pie in the sky socialist utopia when America is footing the bill for your defense.

But as always happens when you spoil the children, they get lazy and unappreciative.

Unfortunately for the world America's back is breaking so hopefully American's will be waking up soon and bidding the rest of the world a hearty fuck you. Protect your own borders. You deal with all of the despots and wanna-be dictators and "revolutionaries". Too bad we have a dumb-fuck Liberal as President who actually managed to get us involved in a third war in another shit-hole part of the world. He'll be a 1-termer.

We'll go ahead and keep our money and technology at home for while and see how the kids handle reality for the next few decades.
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No, America is not helping the world, thats just the reason use by your leaders. People fight, dies, married, fucks with or without America. Like King says there is always a motive and believe you me, it is always in the best interest of America rather than the country is supposed to help. Which is actually fine, except in some cases its not even benefiting America as a country but rather a small group of people in America.

They way the world think about you is very different than the way you think the world think about you, y'know
 
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