Ukraine military shelling its own schools

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There was a video also of Pro-Russian/Russian forces shooting buildings to later blame it on Ukranian army, will try to find it later.

https://twitter.com/JuliaPGoncharov

looks like a shil acct.

https://twitter.com/JuliaPGoncharov/status/471422280518475776

The person said they know its fake but they used it "to raise awareness on Donbass situation". strange.

https://twitter.com/JuliaPGoncharov/status/471734330532716544
 


RT is worse, look at the Al Jazeera website, BBC website then RT website.
Oh I've seen them. I really liked the BBC when I was living in London, and check it & AlJ to this day for news when I need a non-US viewpoint.

But as Abby Martin displayed in the vid below, RT's anchors are usually US citizens who are simply fed up with the lack of freedom of speech here and can even say some bad things about Russia too from time to time:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWshZUrPzE8]RT's Abby Martin says there is no difference between American "corporate media" and RT - YouTube[/ame]


Also for a point of fact, the BBC is not controlled or owned by the British government,
Oh please... Haven't you heard of their infamous Television License? Total 1984 bullshit forcing brits to watch the BBC.

To say that its even in the same league as RT is just not true.
Insomuch as the RT america network seems to be more Anti-USA, I'll grant you that... But only because it fits mother russia's agenda right now.

If britain had an anti-us agenda, I'd expect the exact same of the BBC. Sadly, it's been the opposite for my whole lifetime; you can expect the BBC to follow the US's lead on 90% of it's reporting... And don't get me started about the BBC reporting that building 7 fell down while building 7 was showing behind the reporter on a live broadcast...


Al Jazeera is funded by the Qataris but mostly unbiased, with detailed reporting on lots of far flung places. Backed up by sources, facts and really pretty honest reporting.
I wonder how fair and balanced they are about matters concerning Israel? ;)
 
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Oh please... Haven't you heard of their infamous Television License? Total 1984 bullshit forcing brits to watch the BBC.



Insomuch as the RT america network seems to be more Anti-USA, I'll grant you that... But only because it fits mother russia's agenda right now.

If britain had an anti-us agenda, I'd expect the exact same of the BBC. Sadly, it's been the opposite for my whole lifetime; you can expect the BBC to follow the US's lead on 90% of it's reporting... And don't get me started about the BBC reporting that building 7 fell down while building 7 was showing behind the reporter on a live broadcast...

You're mistaken, the BBC does not follow the government line at all. I don't think you are overly familiar with it if you think that. The television license isn't 1984 bullshit at all, it's actually resulted in a far better media landscape and quality than in the US where unbridled commercialism has given americans the stuff you are complaining about now. There's a clear and transparent system of governance with notes and plans published publicly, the license fee payer is actually more empowered than the consumer of commercial TV or news.

The building 7 stuff.... well, if you think it was a controlled demolition then I have a feeling you won't believe any mainstream news outlet!
 
You're mistaken, the BBC does not follow the government line at all.
Well, it's been a while since I investigated that so I'll double-check again b4 making a fool of myself.

The television license isn't 1984 bullshit at all...
I'm sorry, all taxes are theft, and forcing a tax on people for watching over-the-air television is out there in Hitlerville as far as I'm concerned... Apparently it's very hard to get out of paying that tax, because you have to prove you don't have a TV that can receive airwave signals or something like that... Pure insanity.
 
I'm sorry, all taxes are theft, and forcing a tax on people for watching over-the-air television is out there in Hitlerville as far as I'm concerned... Apparently it's very hard to get out of paying that tax, because you have to prove you don't have a TV that can receive airwave signals or something like that... Pure insanity.

Well I guess you could argue its not a tax. It also means that the viewing public have a stronger stake in how it is run, it also doesn't have to answer to any or commercial interest, advertisers etc.

It's actually very easy not to pay it and not much enforcement, but at £100 or so a year, there isn't much avoidance and satisfaction is pretty high. Its arguably more fair than being funded out of general taxation as if you don't watch a TV, you don't pay for the BBC.

People who aren't satisfied or feel their views are not being given sufficient airtime regularly make complaints and these are aired and publicly responded to. It really isn't "just the same" as RT.
 
You can't make statements like this without defining your idea of "most conspiracy tin-foil hat wearing nutbars" first... Do you consider me in that group? Because I don't have a tinfoil hat nor smoke dope.

I stay the hell away from all sources that waste my time with talk about the Illuminati, Nibiru, Chemtrails, area 51, flat world, reptilians, all paranormal crap, and so on... Even Alex Jones, who sometimes gets it right, goes down this brain-melting path too often for my tastes.

However, I am convinced JFK & 9/11 were both inside jobs, just like the US staged the gulf of Tonkin, which is totally proven and admitted now. Does this qualify me for your question, or is the high likelihood of these 'conspiracy theories' being 'conspiracy facts' give me a pass?



Who was this aimed at? Did you imagine dope-smoking conspiratards out on a killing spree or something?

Wow, paranoid much? When did I reference you at all?

I wasn’t making a statement I was making an observation based on my experiences. I have a lot of friends (well Facebook friends) and the only ones who talk about this craziness are the heavy dope smokers. Not a double blind test, but it does raise an eyebrow.

I have nothing against people smoking weed btw, nothing wrong with it, but my observations are that people who smoke regularly do have certain peculiarities.

Btw 9/11 as an "inside job" is as nutbar as it gets. To say there were things kept from the public I would probably agree, but an inside job?? So what you are insinuating is that a group of men sat around a table and said “we need a good excuse to attack a country” or whatever and to do this we are going to kill a load of our citizens on our own soil (when has the US needed real excuses anyway?).

Hmmm how shall we do it?
Plant a bomb? Nah too easy!
Release some poison gas? Nah too easy!
Dress some soldiers in turbans and open fire? Nah also waaay too easy.

Lets do this, lets get some planes and crash them into some buildings and, because we have top scientists working for us and know that planes wont bring down buildings because of the structure, lets set some controlled explosions as well.

Why do something credible when we can do something totally fucking stupid and disputable? After all we do employ thousands of Phds and some of the smartest people on the planet.

Oh also this info needs to stay amongst just us so people don’t know about it, but of course lets include the other 100s of thousands of people needed to pull off this military masterpiece.

Cummon, fucking nutbar as you can get! Occam's Razor much?

And “stop fucking killing people” is aimed at all parties who have interests in conflicts, certainly not the regular dope smokers or tinfoil hat brigade, who’s primary modus operandi is to write about shit on the internet they know nothing about and do fuck all else.
 
This is a pretty interesting animation. The changes of europes states and borders starting in the stone age until today.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l53bmKYXliA]History of Europe (3000 BC - 2013 AD) - YouTube[/ame]
 
But as Abby Martin displayed in the vid below, RT's anchors are usually US citizens who are simply fed up with the lack of freedom of speech here and can even say some bad things about Russia too from time to time:

RT's Abby Martin says there is no difference between American "corporate media" and RT - YouTube


If britain had an anti-us agenda, I'd expect the exact same of the BBC. Sadly, it's been the opposite for my whole lifetime; you can expect the BBC to follow the US's lead on 90% of it's reporting... And don't get me started about the BBC reporting that building 7 fell down while building 7 was showing behind the reporter on a live broadcast...



I wonder how fair and balanced they are about matters concerning Israel? ;)

Pretty much... http://rt.com/shows/politicking-larry-king/

http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid
 
Wow, paranoid much? When did I reference you at all?
I was just trying to keep the real nutbars separated from us freethinkers. Don't worry, I don't take it personally.


9/11 as an "inside job" is as nutbar as it gets. To say there were things kept from the public I would probably agree, but an inside job?? So what you are insinuating is that a group of men sat around a table and said “we need a good excuse to attack a country” or whatever and to do this we are going to kill a load of our citizens on our own soil (when has the US needed real excuses anyway?).
Jeebus. This exact kind of thing happens around the world so often that we now have not one but two different cases of them recorded and on the record, undeniably proven.

The first was LBJ's gulf of Tonkin incident, his reason to go to war with Viet Nam, which a lucky FoIA request found proof of the conspiracy on and they declassified the lies back in 2005. Millions of people were murdered over those lies, but nobody seems to have cared.

The second was only a few months ago in Turkey; of course this happens all the time in larger countries but the amount of proof they got of the one in Turkey is completely undeniable... Check this out:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moTo-OrBhLA]Turkish Officials Caught Plotting False Flag Attack In Syria, Audio Leaked - YouTube[/ame]

Notice how it's a 100% fabrication; and yet it's business as usual for them... Nothing they feel bad about or seems overwhelming to them. This is just how our pathological, sociopathic leaders are. This is how you act when power corrupts you, and you can see this behavior in leaders from any country. It's COMMON.


Plus, a very good case can be made for a third, earlier false flag: When FDR provoked Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor and killing tons of our troops stationed there. I didn't include this because the proof isn't as undeniable as Tonkin and the other case, but the evidence is pretty strong on FDR initiating the Japanese attack and never warning his base in Hawaii... So he'd have the emotional bargaining chip he'd need to take the USA into WWII.

Getting your citizen's support is all-important for warring democracies. Hitler had to create a false flag by blowing up his own Reichstag to get the Nazis so up in arms in the first place! When you allow your people to think they have any say in the matters of state, you have to make them feel like the attack is their idea or they could simply remove their funding for it.

False flags only sound rare because of the propaganda out there against them... Words like "Tin foil hat" which you just used are absolutely part of that propaganda machine, but meanwhile actual false flags attacks happen so often that I honestly doubt war would exist in our modern world without them.

It's simply how the warmongers usually get their funding from the citizenry... Period.


Why do something credible when we can do something totally fucking stupid and disputable? After all we do employ thousands of Phds and some of the smartest people on the planet.
What "credible" thing could they have done to evoke so much emotion in US voters that we'd allow the patriot act, the DHS, and whole the 7-war plan that General Westley Clark later spilled. That requires a hell of a lot of 'Murican blood. (He's 6 for 7 so far!)

This was all laid out 1 year before 9/11 by the Conservative think Tank PNAC, calling for the need for a "New pearl harbor." Several of Bush's staff were members of PNAC. Could they get any more obvious?


Oh also this info needs to stay amongst just us so people don’t know about it, but of course lets include the other 100s of thousands of people needed to pull off this military masterpiece.
Huh? I don't see any reason why it would take anyone other than a couple of people in the whitehouse, the CIA, and some Saudi wackos whose strings were obviously being pulled by the CIA. Why do you say 100s of thousands?


Cummon, fucking nutbar as you can get! Occam's Razor much?
Sure, let's use some Occam's Razor and ask why alllllllllllllllll of these impossible coincidences had to happen to support anything close to the official story:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98]9/11: A Conspiracy Theory - YouTube[/ame]


And “stop fucking killing people” is aimed at all parties who have interests in conflicts, certainly not the regular dope smokers or tinfoil hat brigade...
Cool; the way you said it sounded like you meant the latter.
 
I'll say it again, why go to so much trouble to create an impossible set of circumstances as an excuse to go to war? Why not blow shit up (schools for example), gas a major city, shoot up a very high profile event? (baseball game) Instead of creating an impossible scenario with such a flawed plan that it takes a few guys in basements to uncover them.

Again, Occams Razor.

And you say "a couple of people in the whitehouse, the CIA, and some Saudi wackos ", you aware that the CIA has over 20,000+ employees :) ? Do they all go through some sort of satanic ritual before they join up removing their souls in the process?

Sorry but you are very very naive.

Look at Snowden as a prime example of people whistle blowing when serious wrongdoing is being done. You think there wouldn't have been hundreds if not thousands of Snowdens if 9/11 really was an inside job?
 
And the Gulf of Tonkin incident is absolutely nothing like 9/11 whatsoever. In fact it pretty much proves the opposite, as to create an excuse for war the US government can very easily make up total lies and manipulate its own citizens to approve of war or whatever they want without having to shed a drop of blood. Do you believe that there are WMDs in Iraq?

Anyways I have given up debating with nutbars a long time ago as you all seem to have some sort of logic filtering process broken so that any argument that I can offer is just discounted with more broken logic and spurious sources of crazy information.

Like I said before, if you spread dumb ass cooky ideas then pretty much everything you have to say needs to be discounted. Why should we filter the well informed from the insane? I may as well watch Fox News.
 
Lol; Mission Jimmy Rustle succeeded. ;) Just remember; you argued first when I wasn't even trying to debate anyone about 9/11.

I'll say it again, why go to so much trouble to create an impossible set of circumstances as an excuse to go to war?
And I'll respond again; Because 1) It wasn't as much trouble as you seem to think it was, and 2) because that is how warmongering is properly done.

And I'll turn it around on you again too; why go through so much trouble to discount the hundreds of pieces of evidence supporting an inside job? Again, Occam's razor.

I notice you didn't even start to try to address any of the overwhelming evidence against the official story mentioned in that last film; you just seem to think it's too much work to know the truth and discount it all.


Why not blow shit up (schools for example),
They did exactly that... But a school wasn't big enough, so they went larger.


Instead of creating an impossible scenario with such a flawed plan that it takes a few guys in basements to uncover them.
The flawed plan is a result of arrogance. The same arrogance you saw in the Turkey video example. The same arrogance Obomba uses every single day on us to justify blowing up brown children in the middle east. The same arrogance every president and king ever used against their people when they do evil things.

This is what happens 100% of the time when elected to a high office. Power corrupts your sense of right and wrong, as well as your risk tolerance.


And you say "a couple of people in the whitehouse, the CIA, and some Saudi wackos ", you aware that the CIA has over 20,000+ employees :) ? Do they all go through some sort of satanic ritual before they join up removing their souls in the process?
Don't be silly... Use some common sense man! Only the employees needed were likely told anything. Occam's razor, bro. I'd guess a dozen, and they could all have been killed on duty since then... Excepting for Susan Lindaur, of course... They just used the newly-formed patriot act to stick that CIA agent in prison for years instead to shut her up:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioh9jGAk-g8]Ex-CIA Lindauer Blows Whistle: 9/11, Iraq War - YouTube[/ame]


Sorry but you are very very naive.
Exactly what I think about people who can't see the obvious facts in front of their face because they lack the creativity to imagine things like how the entire CIA doesn't need to be told about a single mission within it.


Look at Snowden as a prime example of people whistle blowing when serious wrongdoing is being done. You think there wouldn't have been hundreds if not thousands of Snowdens if 9/11 really was an inside job?
Snowden was a reaction to the loss of liberties that the NSA squeezed out of us over time. It's a different situation that allows for people like Edward to learn enough in time to formulate a plan of escape THEN leak...

And still, Susan Lindaur DID come forward. If only she'd had Edward's skills in covering her tracks and hiding outside the country, I bet things would have gone far better for her.


And the Gulf of Tonkin incident is absolutely nothing like 9/11 whatsoever. In fact it pretty much proves the opposite, as to create an excuse for war the US government can very easily make up total lies and manipulate its own citizens to approve of war or whatever they want without having to shed a drop of blood.
OR, it proves that they concluded in advance that it would take more 'pain' to get americans to do their bidding this time; that post-internet we were better informed and they wouldn't have gotten what they wanted without really turning the screws on us that time.

I'm pretty sure that the next time they do it, they'll need to make it far larger than 9/11 is because less than half of americans only get their news from the MSM anymore.


Anyways I have given up debating with nutbars a long time ago as you all seem to have some sort of logic...
I'll just stop you right there and claim victory then. ;)
 
You are so right :bowdown: how could I have been so ignorant for so long, my eyes are truly opened.
 
(NSFW)Pro-Russian separatists execute prisoners - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEgSrBkJ8Ps]Изображение - YouTube[/ame]


Still sympathetic to Russians?

Translation: ""Three days ago one of my men was captured. I have many captured Ukrainian officers: 3 Colonels, one of whom is an SBU Colonel, 3 Lieutenant Colonels ect. For 3 days, there were negotiations for his release. The Ukrainian Junta refused to exchange the officers for that individual whom they captured. At the present moment, all agreements/concessions/promises from the Ukrainian side are all violated. I waited for three days but I do not have time to wait any more. Therefore, Mr. Ubudik and Mr. Vasushinka will now be executed by firing squad. (something about how Mr. Turchinov should join them or something, I can't make this sentence out too well but I can ask my mom and edit it) If within one hour, my person will not be freed, another pair will be executed in an hour. In another hour and a half, a third pair. And like so until 8 officers are executed by firing-squad. If the Ukrainian Army and Government do not need these officers then I surely don't need them." From there, it's orders to his men. Essentially, 'Ready. Aim. Fire!'"