Ukraine military shelling its own schools

[BigWill]

That's because their target audience (guys like big will) eat that shit up for bfast. It's easy, cheap AND it works.

You have no idea what I read or don't.

They have no reason to post "positive news" just like almost any other news outlet. Most news sources / reports have an agenda. You can pick and choose which one to follow or you form your own... Obviously, you follow some one elses.

Please go back to sucking cock for quarters.

 

[lukep]

Wow, Juice Rap News even covered this subject too:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDIczjJRSic]Crimea: Media War Games - feat. Abby Martin [RAP NEWS 23] - YouTube[/ame]

Seriously Jon; there's a resemblance here... A cousin perhaps?

 

[RAZE1]

BigWill I'm not even following the issue that closely and I can see that you don't really know what you're talking about.

 

[richcookies]

The only person that benefits are the gun manufacturers. Both sides are lying. The west cannot be trusted neither can you trust Putin. I have learned not to fight in any wars, as the coward is always burying the brave.

The country is as corrupt as it can get, and no amount of democracy or voting is going to change that. Unfortunately, I see full scale civil war breaking out. The govt is weak and the rebels are getting stronger day by day.

 

[jriddick]

You obviously buy into any propaganda you hear.

That's pretty rich coming from somebody who sounds like a mouthpiece for Putin.

Sniper from Russia, said how much pay for Ukrainians killed (Video)

At the train station "Kharkov- Passenger " while attempting to cross the Russian- Ukrainian border was detained a Russian citizen .
This was reported by the press service of the SBU (FBI analog in Ukraine).
Found that 39 -year-old citizen of the Russian Federation is a sniper and was involved in military operations in Chechnya .
During interrogation, the detainee told investigators SBU that on the instructions of the Russian special services heading to the eastern regions of Ukraine for participation in illegal armed formations .
Before leaving for Ukraine sniper was given detailed instructions in Rostov-on-Don (city in Russia).

For his "job" he had to get a reward : for the murder of an ordinary Ukrainian soldier - $ 100 per officer - $ 1,000 , and on his return another 2,000 euros.
За�ва �найпера - YouTube
http://izvestiya.in.ua/video/932166...skolko-platyat-za-ybitih-ykraincev-video.html

No, no, you forget - this is all propaganda by the US-controlled puppet government in Kiev. Russia is merely a noble country trying to "protect" the ethnic Russians from the Nazi "junta" in Kiev. They should take over all of Ukraine because otherwise Nazi Hitler fascist something or other.

 

[RAZE1]

Russia is definitely a country of strong moral and ethical code, we've just been led to believe otherwise through propaganda.

 

[lincolndsp]

^^ the fish rots from the head and most often leadership, representing the majority of people, does not have any moral and ethical code

 

[andrewkar]

I love the original idea of America. Specially coming from USSR.

It truly started off as small government and brought change to the world. Electricity, cars, clean ass.

What I question is not what most Americans believe in. But has happened to America since. I got my theories.

It turned into socialistic/communistic country. The old states are gone. The things that made this country what it is (well, was..) are now exchanged by burocratic machine producing laws to control everything and everyone. Saying that I think you would have to really try hard to not make it in the US, even today. US market/environment still is a MUCH better place to do business than EU for example.

This is a bit of a shortcut but I hope it gets my point across. When there was no US we all been living in Europe (some elsewhere, but they don't count at this moment).

Once the new land was discovered who went there? Who colonized it? Pussies? Soft dicks? No way. Only people who were ready to take the risk and chellange the new world, without fear (and some paid the price).

Now is different. Everyone thinks he deserve something or should get this and that for free. People forget that if they want to eat and sleep in a warm bed, under the roof, they have to do some FUCKING WORK. You don't have a house if you haven't put enough energy into it, it's that simple. The US nation became weak, depended, soft and lazy (same UK). And if you don't get your shit straight, Islam will fucking eat you alive.

Only another Reagan can save that mess (BTW, right wing).

 

[pixelo]

Just go to the RT usa page. Its reason for existing and very unsubtle message is 100% anti USA.

They know that this has an audience in the West and even in the US as people buy into the simple message.

I love this piece of crap editorial:

http://rt.com/op-edge/162240-us-gun-violence-poisoned-society/

"This after all is a nation in which over 40 million people live in poverty and where the level of inequality between rich and poor is greater than it was during the days of the Roman Empire. And just like Rome, US power and influence stretches to every corner of the globe and is sustained by its capacity for violence and destruction on a grand scale.

A nation founded on the genocide of the indigenous population, the US was built on the foundation of human slavery, while sustained by the lie that freedom and a capacity for violence are two sides of the same coin. Hollywood conveys this message in a diet of movies in which violence and danger are ever present conditions of human existence.

Meanwhile, on television, a plethora of cop shows and crime dramas, many of them painstakingly procedural, paint a picture of a dystopian world in which the ‘bad guys’ are out there ready to pounce – a world in which the weak are constantly preyed upon and where everyone is a potential adversary."

 

[pixelo]

You have no idea what I read or don't.

They have no reason to post "positive news" just like almost any other news outlet. Most news sources / reports have an agenda. You can pick and choose which one to follow or you form your own... Obviously, you follow some one elses.

Please go back to sucking cock for quarters.

That is the basic response when you point this stuff out about media in the West is "just as bad". It really isnt,

The answer is 100% no. There are literally thousands of viewpoints, media outlets fighting each other, debating and fiercely criticising the government, particularly in the UK and Europe. There is some crap of course.

In Russia, there is no such landscape, journalists are murdered and fall from high buildings if they dig too deep. Or get jailed on trumped up charges. Pretending (or more worryingly, believing) that the West's media is less free or somehow less "truthful" than the media landscape in a place like Russia is just misguided and means that RT's mission is working.

 

[pixelo]

You have no idea what I read or don't.

They have no reason to post "positive news" just like almost any other news outlet. Most news sources / reports have an agenda. You can pick and choose which one to follow or you form your own... Obviously, you follow some one elses.

Please go back to sucking cock for quarters.

That is the basic response when you point this stuff out about media in the West is "just as bad". It really isnt,

The answer is 100% no. There are literally thousands of viewpoints, media outlets fighting each other, debating and fiercely criticising the government, particularly in the UK and Europe. There is some crap of course.

In Russia, there is no such landscape, journalists are murdered and fall from high buildings if they dig too deep. Or get jailed on trumped up charges. Pretending (or more worryingly, believing) that the West's media is less free or somehow less "truthful" than the media landscape in a place like Russia is just misguided and means that RT's mission is working.

 

[Thorn]

There is one point i miss in this thread. So, forgive my imature english.

If crimea would be part of the usa, they would not vote to leave the usa.
Why? Because russian majority or not, people are not stupid.
They would know what a change would mean to them in terms of their social status and wealth.
And yes, i know exactly about the status of crimnea before they was "joined" with the ukraine.

The biggest lie by ALL involved countries and authorities in this whole theme is that we talk here about freedom or ethnicity or whatever. Bullshit. Thats only a question if the freedom or the ethnicity really is massive abused - or, and that is the strange part, if the people are so bored by a good but overwhelming autority that they prefer a bit more action instead of total security.

The french revolution was driven because french was in that times complete indebted (around 30 times over the critical point you are able to recover) and the people suffered and the elite abused it. The initial reason was indeed that the french was not able to ensure enough food for all, not missing freedom are even that the elite abused their powers.

Another good example is germany.

The main reason germany had a true monarchy until the first WW was NOT because germans are different from their mind set. Forget that, french, germans, uk... all these people share the same mind set. Whole west europe does it even people claim they don't .

Different to the (french & english) propaganda was germans monarchy not much different as the rest of europe. Their parlament was more democratic as in england & french, their way to elect rulers (obviously) not.

But the main reason the majority of the german people did not demand a real democracy was that from the unity of germany until WW1 the german economy & science rocket up in a way which even would outperform china today. There was a german revolution but they had never enough support by the majority of the people - the main reason was that the german monarchy was successful in their economy. The "funny" point is, that one reason why so much people left germany later (to the usa) and more social unrest started in middle europe WAS the economical success because that invoked an incredible rising population. From 1871 to 1913 the german population nearly doubled from 35-40k to nearly 70k. And alone 4-5 million left germany to the usa alone in that time.

To understood what that means, look the time scale. Assume a 90% rise in the population for china or the usa since 1971 to today. Could we even think about the result? Beside some ultra right think tanks babbling about more consumers everyone should know that both economy had collapsed.

Now, back to the Ukraine, Russia and Crimnea. Because these parts of the earth suffered from pretty much the different szenario.

Abused by a small elite, somewhat part of europe, with the usa the richest spot on earth but also in no way comparable. The people there are smart, western and also good educated. And their government & elites are nearly as bad as in the more worst parts of africa.

The rest of the western world gives shit about them (yes, we do) and their natural resources (ucraine, russia and also the crimnea are pretty full of it) fills the pockets of some super riches... AND fires the western countries. Half europe runs nearly 100% on russian gas.

Whatever they got as government, however you name it - the best way to describe it is a pile of shit. The Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries of the world, everyone who is not deeply part of that country must be brain dead to stay with them.

This whole thing is about economy, people chances and elites who own nearly all. Its an example where you end if you forget that people should have not only enough to eat but also enough chances. Democracy have to ensure that too. That democracy is different because it about "freedom" is one of the biggest lie of the last 200 years.

If the Ukraine had a prospering economy compared to russia, the crimnea had never voted to leave nor had the russian "helpers" there enough support.
Russians are maybe strange but not that stupid.
Thats they now try to seperate is simply because it can't be more worse as now and at last, even its not a real chance, they are doing something, where they had before no chances.

 

[lukep]

Just go to the RT usa page. Its reason for existing and very unsubtle message is 100% anti USA.

As much as I appreciate RT America for reporting on topics our MSM won't touch at all, such as all that Ron Paul coverage or fair Ed Snowden news... I agree. It's a news outlet that exists 100% to 'destabilize' the US.

But viewing the world in terms of 'this country is against that country' is simply wrong. Countries do not fight each other. They do not go to war against each other. Countries, do not, in fact, exist at all besides in the minds of human beings are either being exploited by those ideas, or in rare cases, doing the exploiting under the banner of those ideas.

Imaginary lines designating geographical boundaries do not exist at all. Having ill will toward a concept like "Russia" is like hating "religion" or all people who believe in a particular god... They are both human-concepts with absolutely no physical presence in our universe whatsoever, but some morons seem to think they do.

You must learn to see politics and all human organization in terms of masters and slaves. Your enemy isn't in russia, it's in your capital city. Russian people's enemies aren't in Washington DC; they're in Moscow.

When you see the world like this, you can appreciate news sources like RT simply because it's info your enemy is hoping you can't see... Despite it being tainted with some other bad guy's ill will to control you to his desires.

 

[wrexer]

I will just leave these out there:

There was a video also of Pro-Russian/Russian forces shooting buildings to later blame it on Ukranian army, will try to find it later.

 

[pixelo]

As much as I appreciate RT America for reporting on topics our MSM won't touch at all, such as all that Ron Paul coverage or fair Ed Snowden news... I agree. It's a news outlet that exists 100% to 'destabilize' the US.

But viewing the world in terms of 'this country is against that country' is simply wrong. Countries do not fight each other. They do not go to war against each other. Countries, do not, in fact, exist at all besides in the minds of human beings are either being exploited by those ideas, or in rare cases, doing the exploiting under the banner of those ideas.

Imaginary lines designating geographical boundaries do not exist at all. Having ill will toward a concept like "Russia" is like hating "religion" or all people who believe in a particular god... They are both human-concepts with absolutely no physical presence in our universe whatsoever, but some morons seem to think they do.

You must learn to see politics and all human organization in terms of masters and slaves. Your enemy isn't in russia, it's in your capital city. Russian people's enemies aren't in Washington DC; they're in Moscow.

When you see the world like this, you can appreciate news sources like RT simply because it's info your enemy is hoping you can't see... Despite it being tainted with some other bad guy's ill will to control you to his desires.

I agree with that world view, everything is temporary and countries are just imaginary lines on a map. Its really pointless to get patriotic and hurt people or yourself for the sake of an imaginary idea that will 100% definitely cease to exist at some point, either in 1000 years or 20,000 years. So yes I agree.

But I also realise that we live in a world where these imaginary lines exist and I like to have a good understanding of what's true. It is a fact that places like russia are worse than the west in terms of people's rights, propaganda, rule of law, corruption and media lies.

I just object to the "but our MSM is just as bad" theme that people trot out, because it just isn't true. The west's citizens criticise without much fear of falling off a high building or having their business appropriated etc. One step worse, saying that the terrible nasty stuff that RT churns out is "better" or more truthful than the media landscape in Europe or the USA has to be pointed out as utter bullshit.

 

[lukep]

I just object to the "but our MSM is just as bad" theme that people trot out, because it just isn't true. The west's citizens criticise without much fear of falling off a high building or having their business appropriated etc. One step worse, saying that the terrible nasty stuff that RT churns out is "better" or more truthful than the media landscape in Europe or the USA has to be pointed out as utter bullshit.

Nobody has said that RT is "better" or more truthful to me. It's just another source of agenda-filled information, and in this rare case their information is filling in the gaps that the american public can't get filled on any MSM channel.

Mericans simply can't hear about how many war crimes their 'elected officials' have committed this week on any MSM channel here, nor about how rigged our election process is either, so naturally RT is useful for information like that... As long as you know why there saying it.

To be sure; All of them suck. Every last TV network on earth is owned by someone with an agenda, and once you're mentally free enough to figure out that they lie to you, there is no bottom to the rabbithole of lies from these sources... I'm sure in a decade I'll wonder why I was so naive to listen as much as I do to them now in 2014.

Really love this freaking show for news about fair news:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VD33jRpeMM]"THE NEWS" - feat Sage Francis [RAP NEWS 21] - YouTube[/ame]

 

[pixelo]

To be sure; All of them suck. Every last TV network on earth is owned by someone with an agenda, and once you're mentally free enough to figure out that they lie to you, there is no bottom to the rabbithole of lies from these sources... I'm sure in a decade I'll wonder why I was so naive to listen as much as I do to them now in 2014.

Some people do say that RT is "better" and you are kind of insinuating that they are filling us in with truth that the Western media is hiding. But I get your point.


My point is that there is a scale, you seem to think that they are all bad. But they aren't, for example Al Jazeera and the BBC are 100x more independent and subject to real criticism from within and outside than RT which is just 100% propaganda.

 

[nickster]

RT = Pentagon Real World News (doesn't exist) = White House Tells it how it really is (won't exist) its all just as ridiculous.

It's not a news channel in any sense of the word. the only people who take it seriously are the heavy dope smoking conspiracy theorist nutters.

It's a pity though, it would be good to have some balance to the idiotic patriotic audience pandering "news" outlets in the US. But this aint it.

One knowing lie = all non-credible, in the same way that people believing in chemtrails (idiotic bullshit) and that the US is spying on its citizens (totally true) actually harms the cause they claim to stand for as a person who believes in everything anti-establishment is going to be right some of the time, but still no credence can be given to anything they say.

Is it just me or doesn't it seem that most conspiracy tin-foil hat wearing nutbars are or have been regular dope smokers? That opens up the question, does smoking a lot of dope expand your mind or.......make you as paranoid as fuck?

Stop fucking killing people full stop!

 

[lukep]

Some people do say that RT is "better"

I guess when you first learn that your own news is lying to you, it's an acceptable reaction to leap over to someone else who tells the truth on those same issues... Tons of Ron Paul folks in the last election did this but I'd bet today that they aren't watching RT on any regular basis.

My point is that there is a scale, you seem to think that they are all bad. But they aren't, for example Al Jazeera and the BBC are 100x more independent and subject to real criticism from within and outside than RT which is just 100% propaganda.

• The US networks all regularly lie about things that the US government wants them to.
• RT regularly lies about things that the Russian government wants it to.
• The BBC regularly lies about things that the British government wants it to.
• Al Jezeera regularly lies about things that the ruling family of Qatar wants it to.

Ironically, these two examples that you give are in fact the only ones of this bunch directly owned by their governments!

Forgive me if I fail to see how RT is the worst of them all... It's all just slanted information. Webcasts are going to rise fast and strong as soon as people have a legitimate need for honest news.

Is it just me or doesn't it seem that most conspiracy tin-foil hat wearing nutbars are or have been regular dope smokers? That opens up the question, does smoking a lot of dope expand your mind or.......make you as paranoid as fuck?

You can't make statements like this without defining your idea of "most conspiracy tin-foil hat wearing nutbars" first... Do you consider me in that group? Because I don't have a tinfoil hat nor smoke dope.

I stay the hell away from all sources that waste my time with talk about the Illuminati, Nibiru, Chemtrails, area 51, flat world, reptilians, all paranormal crap, and so on... Even Alex Jones, who sometimes gets it right, goes down this brain-melting path too often for my tastes.

However, I am convinced JFK & 9/11 were both inside jobs, just like the US staged the gulf of Tonkin, which is totally proven and admitted now. Does this qualify me for your question, or is the high likelihood of these 'conspiracy theories' being 'conspiracy facts' give me a pass?

Stop fucking killing people full stop!

Who was this aimed at? Did you imagine dope-smoking conspiratards out on a killing spree or something?

 

[pixelo]

• The US networks all regularly lie about things that the US government wants them to.
• RT regularly lies about things that the Russian government wants it to.
• The BBC regularly lies about things that the British government wants it to.
• Al Jezeera regularly lies about things that the ruling family of Qatar wants it to.

Ironically, these two examples that you give are in fact the only ones of this bunch directly owned by their governments!

Forgive me if I fail to see how RT is the worst of them all... It's all just slanted information. Webcasts are going to rise fast and strong as soon as people have a legitimate need for honest news.

RT is worse, look at the Al Jazeera website, BBC website then RT website.

Also for a point of fact, the BBC is not controlled or owned by the British government, they are governed by the BBC trust who will (and do) investigate and sanction even the most minor complaints or issues about bias or wrongful reporting. To say that its even in the same league as RT is just not true. In fact they are often accused of being biased against the government and sometimes come into pretty serious conflict with them. They give significant air time and uncritical coverage to fringe political (and other) viewpoints including those that are opposed to the government.

Al Jazeera is funded by the Qataris but mostly unbiased, with detailed reporting on lots of far flung places. Backed up by sources, facts and really pretty honest reporting.

RT is completely different, its predictable and negative only in one direction and is 100% pushing the anti-west/USA message in quite a crude way.