Unarmed black shot in the back by white cop
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Thanks for proving the point, but it looks like you accidentally cropped out the actual crime rates based on population. The link to the Bureau of Justice Statistics report that Jake posted should help clarify your chart. Remember that percent distribution of arrests is a meaningless number when you have 5x as many people of one race than the other. That's why they use rates (X out of 100,000) to compare crime stats across gender, race, geographic area etc.
Because you didn't post an opinion with that pic I'm unsure if you were trying to support UG's position or if you're one of those people who don't know how to look at data meaningfully. The total number of arrests in something is meaningless unless you take into account how many are in the race's population.
So here's how to consider the data (Demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
US White Population 223,553,265
US Black Population 38,929,319
US White Murder Arrests 3799
US Black Murder Arrests 4379
US White Rape Arrests 8946
US Black Murder Arrests 4229
So..
White Murders per capita (3799/223,553,265) = 0.000017
Black Murders per capita (4379/38,929,319) = 0.00012
White Rapes per capita (8946/223,553,265) = 0.00004
Black Rapes per capita (4229/38,929,319) = 0.00011
So..
Blacks have 700% or 7 times more murders than Whites do
Blacks have 275% or 2.75 times more rapes than Whites do
This reminds me of an article about rap artists. Over half had a cause of death by homicide:
Over half of dead hip-hop artists were murdered, study finds - The Washington Post
Over half of dead hip-hop artists were murdered, study finds - The Washington Post
I don't think he was power hungry, he looked like he would get away with it, because the victim was black, he didn't realize he was being recorded. He shot like 8 times, I wonder if a white man was running, would he have shot 8 plus times? on the other hand, cops are always in stressful positions, but this takes the cake, I mean why would you shoot 8 times? POP POP POP POP POP POP POP POP, wft? if the guy is running in opposite direction with no threat to the cop? He just fucked his career up and on top of that, guaranteed jail time.
So knowing this, why do you believe it's wrong to view blacks that fit the profile with a different lens than whites? To me it seems like an unfortunate, but completely necessary heuristic. Especially considering that most encounters with law enforcement don't afford the officer the luxury of sitting down to BS over a beer with the alleged offender to determine whether or not they happen to be different.
I'm not taking sides here, but the unexamined, outright hate of all LEOs and the way they operate is as ignorant as blind obedience. Also I should note that while I don't think that statement applies to you specifically, there are plenty to whom it does.
Accidental as in 'I accidentally jumped out the window from the 10th floor because I was high on cocaine and lsd', eh?
Eyh mate? Eyh?
There's a major difference between measured, justified profiling and discrepancies in TREATMENT between races/genders by police.
Maybe. White people are shot by police more often than blacks are, it just doesn't make for as compelling of a news story so headline readers think it's only a problem that black males deal with. Although in fairness they are more likely than anyone else to be shot by cops, and in some instances it may be due to racism. It's absurd to assume that's always the reason though, otherwise white people would never get shot by cops...
The problem with that is even though young black males are far and away more likely to commit violent crimes, it's not true to say that all, or even a majority of them will commit a violent crime. You can't paint all people with one broad brush because members of one group are more likely to share some particular characteristic.
Ideally, everyone should be treated according to their own actions. It's not realistic to think that people won't have biases based on their own interactions with a group of people though, and police see crime up front and personal without the Politically Correct lens that the media always shows it through.
In other words, I don't think Wickedfire is going to be able to solve the issues of racism and violent crime today.
Also, those "white" statistics are not accurate. They include non-white Hispanics, i.e., people you would never consider white, as white. I'm pretty sure those criminals don't even consider themselves white.
Just check out the FBI's top wanted list. You have to click on description to see them labeled as white.
FBI
Agreed, CNN loves drama, since the evidence so strong, CNN can't really do any dramatic news cast.
Statistics are fun. You have the statistics that show a higher percentage of blacks committing homicide, assault, etc. But, forgetting percentages and per-capita, a larger number of white people are committing murder and/or aggravated assault...because it's a larger population. Thus, as an individual, trying to protect themselves, isn't the cop more likely to be killed by a white person?
Let's see (fbi stats) ... yep.
So skewed from a per-capita basis, but if you're betting on the race of the next person to kill a cop, betting on black isn't smart
Or, tl/dr, statistics show whatever you want them to.
What would you call the so called INDIANS? Remember they lived on this land before the so called "COLUMBUS" showed up.
Based on historical facts, "negroid" looking beings ran things for a long time.
My point is there are psychological tricks been used to condition the people to accept certain realities.
So called brown Americans are not the biggest criminals, for the system is set up that way.
This thread is becoming meaningless just by reading some of the postings. Just because you read or saw it on television does not make it true or accurate.
Just look at the incident that occurred on 9/11, majority of Americans still believe some Muslim terrorists with box-cutters brought the building down with airplanes. Despite scientific evidence that shows jet fuel cannot vaporize steel.
Oh, agreed for sure. I don't generally look for a concrete answer as much as I'm curious about the thought process people use to arrive at their opinion. That tells me much more about whether or not a productive conversation can be had than their current stance.
It's a complex topic. Unfortunately like most social issues the loudest voices are usually the one-sided, emotionally charged ones that end up being more polarizing and destructive than anything. It's refreshing to see a considered opinion anywhere these days.
That's a good question, and it highlights the main issue for me: how profiles are created and used by cops.
A profile based solely on race/gender/age - e.g. black, male and 18 to 24 - is far too blunt a tool for identifying malcontents. Its biggest limitation is that it captures too many false positives.
Here's an example:
Back when I had a corporate job, my friend and I would regularly grab lunch together. He was black and under 30. He was clean cut, wore a suit and gave no indication of trouble - gold grill, pulled hoodie, loud gangsta rap, etc. He was a professional.
But he was approached by cops on a number of occasions while we were grabbing a bite. In the context of profiling, he was a false positive.
Cops can be trained to employ effective profiling methods, much like the Israeli security officers at Ben Gurion airport. There, officers are highly-educated and trained to profile would-be passengers by asking smart questions and looking for inconsistencies in the responses.
To be sure, cops are at greater immediate risk than Israeli airport security officers. Confronting a perp on a sparsely-populated street or park is a lot different than questioning a would-be passenger in a controlled environment like Ben Gurion airport.
But relying on a race/gender/age jackpot to profile possible perps is akin to performing brain surgery with a steak knife. The tool is too blunt.
I'm biased. Most of the people I've known throughout my life have been good, principled people.* But several have been approached by cops, prompted by what I suspect was an inadequate profile. The cops lacked the training and incentive to be more effective.
I've rambled. To summarize, I believe cops are wrong to look at blacks through a harsher lens than whites because race (plus gender/age) is inadequate as a profiling tool. Although such a profile will surely identify malcontents, it will also result in too many false positives. It's like carpet bombing Dresden.
I think we can do a lot better, similar to the Israeli security officers at Ben Gurion. One of the problems is that cops lack a personal incentive to do so.
I'm embarrassed to admit I don't know what LEOs are (despite googling it).
* There have been exceptions. One of my closest childhood friends murdered two guys when he was a teen. He was Asian.
This reminds me of an article about rap artists. Over half had a cause of death by homicide:
Over half of dead hip-hop artists were murdered, study finds - The Washington Post
this is a good chart for the correlation = causation believers to have a group fap to otherwise it's somewhat pointless